Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation? (2)

[AV1611VET]

And I might add, people used the bible against slavery. Odd that you should be so short sighted as to forget that.

People used the Bible for slavery as well. odd that you would be so short sighted to forget that.

God broke the tie --- and it's not odd that science is too myopic to see that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Bearing no responsibility for the sins of your forefathers puts you under no obligation to learn from them -- which is probably why you don't.

Who are the ones 'not learning', Nathan?

You want us to march out on the next Crusade, and we're not planning on going anywhere except up.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Who are the ones 'not learning', Nathan?

You want us to march out on the next Crusade, and we're not planning on going anywhere except up.

We don't "want" you to do anything -- we only expect it.

And thus far, you haven't disappointed.

 

[Jnwaco]

You expect another crusade?

 

[Doveaman]

Your claim that your faith is the right one is supported by the Bible which requires said faith already.

We receive the faith as a free gift from God as we are taught about God based on what is written in the bible. The bible presents divine truths, and the divine God imparts the faith that convicts us of those truths so we may know for certain that the bible is true and is from God.

The faith doesn’t come from the bible, nor is it faith in the bible. The faith comes from God and is faith in God, not the bible. It can even be said that the faith is the mind and intelligence of God within us.

This faith is imparted to us in the form of a spiritual “seed” that grows within us. As this spiritual “seed” of faith grows within us, our godly intelligence and ability grows "until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ." - Eph 4:13.

If it was possible to impart a part of your mind within me, your mind within me would be evidence or proof of your existence because I would begin to know and understand for certain what you know and understand for certain by virtue of your mind and intelligence within me, but those who do not have your mind and intelligence within them would not know and understand as you and I do because they do not have the evidence of you in them as we do. This is why we can begin to know and understand the things of God but others can’t, it is because we have the mind and intelligence of God within us in the form of the spiritual “seed” of faith, but they don't.

The natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they (the things of God) are spiritually discerned...But we have the mind of Christ. – 1 Cor 2:14-16.

Because faith is the “mind of Christ” imparted to us, it is considered evidence or proof of God within us, because it is God's mind and intelligence we have in the form of the spiritual "seed" of faith. "Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come." - 2 Cor 5:5. As this spiritual "seed" grows within us, we continue to know more and understand more about God, and are able to do more for Him.

However, our words and our deeds will appear to others as “foolishness” because they do not have the mind and intelligence of Christ in them as we do. “The natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him.” – 1 Cor 2:14.

This is also why all that I just wrote will be considered “foolishness” by many who read it, including you. But all such criticisms are predicted in the bible and will only help to confirm its truths and add to the validity of it.

 

[sandwiches]

You expect another crusade?

Read the quote I posted from back in 2006 by AV. This is just ONE guy behind a computer. Now imagine his type were in a position of actual power.

So, yes. I don't think something of a religious purge is something that's too far beyond the realm of possibility, considering history

 

[Jnwaco]

That's funny, I expect Dawkins to go bonkers at any moment.

 

[Jnwaco]

Read the quote I posted from back in 2006 by AV. This is just ONE guy behind a computer. Now imagine his type were in a position of actual power.

So, yes. I don't think something of a religious purge is something that's too far beyond the realm of possibility, considering history

Yeah, though the athiests are more efficient at it.

 

[sandwiches]

Yeah, though the athiests are more efficient at it.

Authoritarians of any kind have been more efficient at it. Let's not go down that road, lest we have to prove to you how Hitler was clearly Christian by his own admission and Stalin by his reopening of the Orthodox church after receiving a vision he believed to be from heaven and his insistence on saving "Our Lady of Kazan" for religious reasons.

 

[Jnwaco]

Hitler was atheist, but used Christianity for evil. If you want to twist history to try and make that point, you won't be the first. But he did say on several occasions that Christians were in his way and religion was garbage.

Stalin killed 100,000 clergy during one of his purges, and countless other millions.

 

[sandwiches]

Hitler was atheist, but used Christianity for evil. If you want to twist history to try and make that point, you won't be the first. But he did say on several occasions that Christians were in his way and religion was garbage.

Stalin killed 100,000 clergy during one of his purges, and countless other millions.

I've had this argument many times. The same 'not a true Christian' argument is repeated every single time. Nothing new.

 

[Jnwaco]

I've had this argument many times. The same 'not a true Christian' argument is repeated every single time. Nothing new.

It's a fact.

 

[sandwiches]

It's a fact.

Alrighty. I won't argue that since anyone Christians don't agree with or makes them look bad, wasn't a 'TruChristian'TM

 

[Jnwaco]

If you won't argue it, I won't either. Fair enough.

 

[MoonLancer]

No need, this one is still fine. Stretching other religions to try and say Christianity is a copycat isn't anything new and it's been debunked over and over.

yes they are nothing alike. good grief.

your criticism of Osiris is not valid as you are moving the goal posts. They are not going to be identical, but you cannot claim that god is in anyway special where some Jews or Christians simply change a few details. The idea of gods dying and coming back to life is not special and is old as time.

Tammuz

 

[MoonLancer]

Good question.

Take the Flood for instance.

After it went down like it did, the Epic of Gilgamesh came out, written by a nation whose founder was not only Noah's grandson, but a man who had gone prodigal.

Remember? He started out as a 'mighty hunter before the LORD'?

All Satan has to do now, in the 21st century, is make sure there's enough "educated" people to convince the common people that Sumeria existed before the Flood.

strange then that Gilgamesh predates the old testament huh.

 

[sandwiches]

strange then that Gilgamesh predates the old testament huh.

According to AV Babylon didn't even exist before the flood or something equally implausible and baseless.

 

[MoonLancer]

When looking at the witch hunts and inquisitions, etc., one can legitimately say that that is an offense to what Christ taught. That fact seems to slip by a lot of people.

through the lens of history AFTER THE FACT. What will they say about conservative creationist Christians tomorrow? Something about sexual discrimination?

 

[Philothei]

Mod hat on

Thread is re-opened.
Please deal with the OP not each other or this thread will be closed permanently.

Mod hat off​

 

[BananaSlug]

I decided to restart with this, since it failed to be responded to for almost 20 pages.

Originally Posted by Doveaman

The stars are within the galaxy, not around the galaxy where the light is said to be bent. So why should the stars within the galaxy obscure the light around the galaxy?
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The gravity of the whole galaxy is causing the warping.

Charged particles within cosmic plasma shape matter into arcs, filaments and toruses.

That doesn't answer my question. I had asked:

So why do the plamsa arcs seem to create a circular "lensing" effect?

No, something is wrong with the eye balls of the observer.

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So you are saying the "lensing" effect seen in the picture is nothing more than plasma arcs? Why are they arranged in a circular pattern rather than randomly criss-crossing across the image?

How would we test “dark matter”? How would we test “dark energy”?

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Scientists are working on that now.

How would we test “space warping”?

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I just showed you...
Let me hear your interpretation but you have to use your own calculations.

• Ultra High Resolution Science Data Extraction for the Gravity Probe B Gyro and Telescope
  Richard Van Patten, Ray DiEsposti, John V. Breakwell, SPIE Proceedings Vol. 619, 23-24, January 1986.
• The Gravity Probe B 'Niobium Bird' Experiment Verifying the Data Reduction Scheme for Estimating the Relativistic Precession of Earth-Orbiting Gyroscopes
  H. Uematsu, B. W. Parkinson, J. M. Lockhart, B. Muhlfelder,Spaceflight Mechanics 1993, Vol. 82, Advances in the Astronautical Sciences.
• The Stanford Relativity Mission, Niobium Bird. Verification of the Science Mission by Experimental Application of a New Nonlinear Estimation Algorithm
  G. T. Haupt, G.Gutt, J. M. Lockhart, N. J. Kasdin, G. M. Keiser, B. W. Parkinson, 18th Annual AAS Guidance and Control Conference, Keystone, Colorado, February 1-5, 1995.
• An Optimal Recursive Iterative Algorithm for Discrete Nonlinear Least-Squares Estimation
  G. Haupt, N. Kasdin, G. Keiser, and B. Parkinson, AIAA Guidance, Navigation, andControl Conference, August 7-10, 1995 AIAA-95-3218.
• Data Reduction, Error and Analysis and Identification of Systemic Errors in the Gravity Probe B Experiment
  M. I. Heifetz. C.W. F. Everitt, G. M. Keiser, A. S. Silbergleit, Proceedings of the Eighth Marcel Grossman Meeting on General Relativity. Ed: Tsvi Piran, World Scientific, Singapore, Part A, pp 259-268, 1999.
• Data Analysis in the Gravity Probe B Relativity Experiment
  M. I. Heifetz, G. M. Keiser, Proceedings of the Second International Conference on Information Fusion, Volume II, FUSION-99.

Here are the papers of the data. Have fun!

In light of your test failures, you have no credibility to ask for a test.

Fail. I provided test data. Let me see yours.

The current cosmology is based on Big Bang. Big Bang is based on a flawed interpretation of red-shift. There is nothing independent of Big Bang in current cosmology, therefore there is nothing independent of red-shift on which the Big Bang is based. Falsify the current interpretation of red-shift and the current Big Bang cosmology falls apart.

I hope you are a Poe, I really hope there are not people out there who are this idiotic. General relativity is not based on redshift. CMBR is not based on redshift. Redshift is only a small part of the current cosmology. There are other lines of evidence as well that are independent of redshift.

Gravitational lensing is an ad hoc explanation of anomalous red-shift.

Gravitational lensing has nothing to do with redshift.

It has to do with Big Bang, and Big Bang is based on current red-shift interpretation, and current red-shift interpretation has been falsified, which makes Big Bang theory a zombie theory, and a zombie theory cannot explain anything? All you can do is add your own personal interpretations of observations to the zombie theory so as to make the zombie theory appear to be alive. But the real Cosmologists know the zombie theory is dead having died many years ago.

Are you done? Do you have any actual information or just rants? I'll ask the question agains since it seems you are having problems keeping up.

Does EU have an explanation for the blackbody spectrum identified by the COBE satellite?

What laboratory experiments have to done to verify “dark matter”?

What laboratory experiments have to done to verify “dark energy”?

Not everything in science requires laboratory experiments. We can also use our powers of observation and inference. We cannot make a lab experiment that shows the earth revolving around the sun, we had to make observations and infer based on what we saw.

What laboratory experiments have to done to verify “space warping”?
I don’t need papers. I need experimental verification of all those dark, invisible, undetected entities Big Bang theology is composed of.
I don’t need data. I need experimental verification of all those dark, invisible, undetected entities Big Bang theology is composed of.

The papers describe the materials and methods and results. Even if you don't agree with the conclusion the data is there. The links I posted above are part of the experimental verification of space warping, a significant part of Einstein's Theory of General Relativity.

Crying foul is very much justified.

Not until you provide some evidence.

And I’ll be waiting for you to provide experimental verification of all those dark, invisible, undetected entities Big Bang theology is composed of.

Warped space is down, only two more to go!