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Does God want atheists to acknowledge his existence?

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I cannot tell you why God has not complied with your demands. I can tell you that you are the only person who knows why you haven't complied with His requirements. If you need help with that, then you need to begin thinking about how much the truth is worth to you.
 
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It's not a matter of if God wants an atheist to acknowledge Him or not. The fact of the matter is that every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess.

No one is going to deny God forever. There will be a moment of reckoning, a time of accounting for your life before the Lord. And everyone is going to fall terribly short of His standards. Unless you have confessed with your mouth and believed in your heart that Jesus is Lord acknowledging God is going to be a miserable experience.
 
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To what degree is God responsible for some people not believing in God? Does God not want these people to believe in him? If God can do anything and knows everything, then he certainly knows precisely what it would take to get an atheist to believe he exists. Yet he does nothing. Why?

All creation says there is a God. The word of God (the bible) says there is a God. God is giving them breath when they deny He exists. God doesn't have to prove anything to the atheists, if they do not repent, they will be convinced there is a God two seconds after they are in hell and that they spent their whole lives denying and rejecting Him.:preach:
 
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All creation says there is a God. The word of God (the bible) says there is a God. God is giving them breath when they deny He exists. God doesn't have to prove anything to the atheists, if they do not repent, they will be convinced there is a God two seconds after they are in hell and that they spent their whole lives denying and rejecting Him.:preach:

Christians have told me that God wants us to love him and acknowledge his existence. That being said, it would behoove God to do whatever it takes to get atheists to believe he exists. If God is truly omniscient, then he'll know precisely what it will take for each atheist to believe he exists.

Remember, if the atheist is merely going by what he observes, then the ball rests on God's side of the court to ensure that the atheist observes enough to be convinced that God exists. If God knows everything but does nothing, then either he doesn't care if the atheists become believers or he is incapable of doing what it would take to get atheists to become believers.
 
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Christians have told me that God wants us to love him and acknowledge his existence. That being said, it would behoove God to do whatever it takes to get atheists to believe he exists. If God is truly omniscient, then he'll know precisely what it will take for each atheist to believe he exists.

Remember, if the atheist is merely going by what he observes, then the ball rests on God's side of the court to ensure that the atheist observes enough to be convinced that God exists. If God knows everything but does nothing, then either he doesn't care if the atheists become believers or he is incapable of doing what it would take to get atheists to become believers.

You seem to insist that God created us to be His robots. Love does not work that way, so it would not "behoove" God to do any such thing.
 
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You seem to insist that God created us to be His robots. Love does not work that way, so it would not "behoove" God to do any such thing.
Actions speak louder than words.

If God can do anything and wants us to love him & believe he exists, then there would be some actions we could observe to support that. Since we see nothing, it suggests that any omniscient God that may exist doesn't give a rats behind whether or not we believe he exists.
 
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Actions speak louder than words.

If God can do anything and wants us to love him & believe he exists, then there would be some actions we could observe to support that. Since we see nothing, it suggests that any omniscient God that may exist doesn't give a rats behind whether or not we believe he exists.

Who is the "we" you're referring to? Everyone or only atheists? I see plenty to support His existence, and I'd bet most of the people on this forum do, as well. So, is the problem that God does not show Himself, or maybe it's something else?
 
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Who is the "we" you're referring to? Everyone or only atheists? I see plenty to support His existence, and I'd bet most of the people on this forum do, as well. So, is the problem that God does not show Himself, or maybe it's something else?
The problem is that God either cannot or doesn't want to "reveal" himself to atheists to a degree that the atheists will acknowledge him & believe he exists. This tells me he is either less than omniscient or he doesn't give a rats behind whether or not atheists convert to Christianity.
 
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The problem is that God either cannot or doesn't want to "reveal" himself to atheists to a degree that the atheists will acknowledge him & believe he exists. This tells me he is either less than omniscient or he doesn't give a rats behind whether or not atheists convert to Christianity.

Or perhaps the problem is that atheists are requiring God to play by their rules and totally missing the point that God designed everything to function by His rules.

And, perhaps, as smart and logical as people are, we did not create this world and things might not be exactly as we think they should be, and maybe the trick is letting go of what we think and let God have His way instead. It should be obvious that requiring anything of God doesn't work out too well for people. It is people who need to change, not God, and when we do, He does not disappoint.

That has been my experience, anyway. He is changing me from the inside out, and all I have to do is ask Him and then get my self-will out of the way. Of course, I'm not perfect and fail miserably at this on a daily basis, but the struggle is worth it.
 
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BTW cieza, it is that atheist's don't want to convert, it is not that God doesn't want them to convert. There must be some sort of reason why an atheist does not want to comply with what Jesus commands us. That's all it is, as I have shown you before, Jesus made a promise to the world:

John 14:21
Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.”
 
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BTW cieza, it is that atheist's don't want to convert, it is not that God doesn't want them to convert. There must be some sort of reason why an atheist does not want to comply with what Jesus commands us. That's all it is, as I have shown you before, Jesus made a promise to the world:

John 14:21
Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.”
You still haven't answered the question. There must be an amount of evidence each atheist would have to get in order to believe that God exists. If God knows everything, then he knows precisely what it would take to get each atheist to believe he exists. And if God can do anything, then he could do whatever it would take to get each atheist to believe he exists. But he does nothing. So it is clear that God doesn't care that atheists don't acknowledge his existence.
 
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You still haven't answered the question. There must be an amount of evidence each atheist would have to get in order to believe that God exists. If God knows everything, then he knows precisely what it would take to get each atheist to believe he exists. And if God can do anything, then he could do whatever it would take to get each atheist to believe he exists. But he does nothing. So it is clear that God doesn't care that atheists don't acknowledge his existence.
I think this is right, though the evidence is the same for a believer and unbeliever alike, just that one believes it while the other doesn't. This passage seems to support what you are saying, specifically verses 16 and 21:
Romans 9
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice

14 Are we saying, then, that God was unfair? Of course not! 15 For God said to Moses,

“I will show mercy to anyone I choose,
and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.”

16 So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.

17 For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the earth.”[j] 18 So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen.

19 Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?”

20 No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? 22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction. 23 He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory. 24 And we are among those whom he selected, both from the Jews and from the Gentiles.
 
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There is an unpleasant truth in passages like the following:

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." (Jude 1.4)

God ordains some people to eternal life, but not others.
 
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I think this is right, though the evidence is the same for a believer and unbeliever alike, just that one believes it while the other doesn't. This passage seems to support what you are saying, specifically verses 16 and 21:
Why does God not care if certain humans don't acknowledge his existence?
 
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There is an unpleasant truth in passages like the following:

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." (Jude 1.4)

God ordains some people to eternal life, but not others.
What evidence do you have that God can ordain people?

What exactly do you mean by 'eternal life'?
 
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Why does God not care if certain humans don't acknowledge his existence?
I would not presume that "God doesn't care if certain humans don't acknowledge His existence", that is the opposite of what God wants according to 2 Peter 3:9, and John 3:17. But He doesn't intend to battle with us forever, this is why He banned us from the tree of life Genesis 3:22 and why He limited our days to 120 years Genesis 6:3. However, God knows that some of us do love Him, so if you are the type of person who loves Jesus absolutely then you can eat from the tree of life Revelation 2:7 and live forever with Him as your king Revelation 21:4.
 
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What evidence do you have that God can ordain people?

The evidence that he can ordain people is that (by definition) God is omnipotent, and can do as he wishes. Should it happen that some super natural being exists who is not omnipotent, then, although he may exist, he wouldn't be God in the Christian conception.


What exactly do you mean by 'eternal life'?

I mean an embodied existence followeing physical death. It must be embodied, and it must have something analogous to our current five senses, otherwise our personalities wouldn't be able to survive the transition in any meaningful sense.
 
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