Does God Need Your Permission in Order to Save You?

[Kenny'sID]

What about the OP? That's what we are discussing here.

Seems to me you are saying you will reject any comment that attempts to show your question is no more than another trick that will most likely get a no answer always, and on the grounds it's off topic.

Just so you know we see through you.

Not sure what your point with the question was, but IMO, such a loaded question can't back anything up..
It's the equivalent of forcing someone to answer as you want them too, then saying their answer makes you right...about something.

I just read the first page, did you ever get around to the point?

 

[friend of]

A command is news?

Christ's word is gospel, is it not?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Christ's word is gospel, is it not?

No.

 

[friend of]

A command is news?

Yes. He commands us to deny our lives and follow him. If we do not, we cannot be His disciples and cannot be therefore saved.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Yes. He commands us to deny our lives and follow him. If we do not, we cannot be His disciples and cannot be therefore saved.

You might want to look up the definition of Gospel.

 

[Charlie24]

Hello Charlie, as a Calvinist, I completely agree with you (well, to be fair, I would have also agreed with you about that if I was still an Arminian ).

My question is, how do you believe we get from................

Romans 3
9 We have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
10 as it is written,
“THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS;
THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD,
THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”
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..............to "whosoever will", because the Apostle's words here make it sound like no "WHOSOEVERS" will be forthcoming anytime soon

Thanks!

--David

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Paul is referring to the Jews under the Law, but we are all under the Law without Christ.

We are spiritually depraved, without hope, useless, man left on his will not seek for God and cannot seek God, he is spiritually dead.

Good grief I sound like a Calvinist, and I am up until this point.

But when he hears the gospel, I said, but when he hears the gospel of our salvation, man has no choice but to make a choice. He cannot ignore it! He will accept or reject.

This is the call of "whosoever will."

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1Tim. 2:4

 

[jahel]

You might want to look up the definition of Gospel.

The good news is that Jesus found the way for His disciples to follow. Law is for those who don’t want to, or have not yet been found to reason together. Acceptance is another thing because that entails God acceptance of the first fruits and that again is the good news that in Christ one is already accepted.

 

[Charlie24]

Paul is referring to the Jews under the Law, but we are all under the Law without Christ.

We are spiritually depraved, without hope, useless, man left on his will not seek for God and cannot seek God, he is spiritually dead.

Good grief I sound like a Calvinist, and I am up until this point.

But when he hears the gospel, I said, but when he hears the gospel of our salvation, man has no choice but to make a choice. He cannot ignore it! He will accept or reject.

This is the call of "whosoever will."

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1Tim. 2:4

I don't want to put down Calvin, I admire him. He was a very intelligent man in very difficult times. He was a pioneer and deserves our respect for the stand he took for us.

But he made some mistakes. He didn't see, for whatever reason, that God did not choose the person, He chose the plan before the foundation of the world for the person.

 

[Hammster]

I don't want to put down Calvin, I admire him. He was a very intelligent man in very difficult times. He was a pioneer and deserves our respect for the stand he took for us.

But he made some mistakes. He didn't see, for whatever reason, that God did not choose the person, He chose the plan before the foundation of the world for the person.

That really makes salvation impersonal. Nobody can say that Christ loved them and died for them.

 

[Charlie24]

That really makes salvation impersonal. Nobody can say that Christ loved them and died for them.

Explain.

 

[expos4ever]

Then you are god.

I don’t buy this reasoning. Granted, if we have the power to accept or reject an “offer” of salvation then, yes, we do indeed determine what happens .

But that hardly puts us in the god role. Suppose I have the freedom to accept an offer of sophisticated medical treatment to survive a life-threatening illness. Does that make me the “agent” of my own recovery if I agree to the treatment.

Of course not! No reasonable person would deny that it was the doctors who really saved me.

 

[com7fy8]

Does God Need Your Permission in Order to Save You?

It's a simple question, which requires a simple, Yes or No, answer.

No

 

[renniks]

That really makes salvation impersonal. Nobody can say that Christ loved them and died for them.

Um, why? If he died for all, he died for me. Do you have to think God chose you over someone else?

 

[Hammster]

Explain.

Sure.

I can say, with Paul, that Christ loved me and gave Himself for me. Your view has Christ dying for a plan, or idea. There’s nothing personal about it.

 

[Hammster]

Um, why? If he died for all, he died for me. Do you have to think God chose you over someone else?

In what way did He die for all? What did His death secure for all?

 

[Charlie24]

Sure.

I can say, with Paul, that Christ loved me and gave Himself for me. Your view has Christ dying for a plan, or idea. There’s nothing personal about it.

He did die for a plan, the one He and His Father planned before the foundation of the world when they knew man would fall and would have no hope.

God ordained that plan for man, His Son carried it out with His life on the cross.

And He said, "whosoever will" call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

It's a simple question, which requires a simple, Yes or No, answer.

No he doesn't. He sometimes will ask out of good manners, but he saves plenty of people all the time without them even knowing it until after the fact.

 

[expos4ever]

Sure.

I can say, with Paul, that Christ loved me and gave Himself for me. Your view has Christ dying for a plan, or idea. There’s nothing personal about it.

Don’t follow the reasoning. True the other poster’s words were not the best when he or she referred to a “plan”. But if God really offers salvation to all persons, surely this is “personal”.

 

[redleghunter]

It's hard to say right now but second quarter of 2021 is what I keep hearing.

Second fiscal quarter or calendar?

 

[redleghunter]

God created the universe without anyone’s permission.

God called Abraham to move to the promised land and not Abraham asking God for a new homeland.

I did not ask permission to be conceived and then born to my parents.

The NT is clear we are dead in our sins and trespasses and God makes us alive through Jesus Christ. So I’m thinking dead people don’t ask permission because they are dead.

And we are told in John 3:8 that “The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

So as it relates to God calling sinners to salvation, no God does not need our permission.