Does God Love Everybody?

[mlmum]

Sorry, but I don't follow what you have written in that last post Victory.

All I can say is I don't know much about calvinism, but I have been taught from a Pentecostal church that God is love AND God is JUST. In regards to Hate. Read the bible a little more carefully. God clearly has hate for things and people. Otherwise where does judgement come from? There have been several scriptural quotes in this thread.

Doesn't it make sense that our God who is all knowing knows who will be saved at the end? Wouldn't you find it a little scary to think that an all knowing God wouldn't know who was being saved? Where then is the all-knowing-ness (real word?)?

 

[mlmum]

I might add that this does not mean we should not love our neighbours. For GOD knows who will be saved, but WE don't.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are the household of faith.

 

[Victory_by_Jesus]

thats good yeah

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

Has anybody noticed that the Psalms are poetry?

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

thou hatest all workers of iniquity; not all that have sin in them or do sin, for there are none without it; but such who give themselves up to work wickedness, who make it the business of their lives, and are slaves unto it, living in a continued series and course of impiety; and this character does not only belong to openly profane sinners, but to some professors of religion; see Mat_7:22; and these are the objects of God's hatred. Which does not so much intend any past act of his, the preterition or passing them by, when he chose others in his eternal purposes; in which sense the word is used in Rom_9:13, as his continued aversion to them, denying them his grace and favour, and rejecting them from all nearness to him and communion with him; and may include the everlasting punishment of them, by which his displicine and hatred will be made manifest: and he is impartial in it, without any respect to persons, high or low, rich or poor; indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, will come upon every soul of man that does evil. God's love to his own people was antecedent to sin, and was placed upon them in Christ, in whom their persons are always well pleasing to him; and though they sinned in Adam, and became actual transgressors of his law, yet such was his love to their persons, that he saves them from their sins by the blood and righteousness of his son.

A remember King David himself was a sinner

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

And it was told Joab, Behold, the king weepeth and mourneth for Absalom. And the victory that day was turned into mourning unto all the people: for the people heard say that day how the king was grieved for his son. And the people gat them by stealth that day into the city, as people being ashamed steal away when they flee in battle. But the king covered his face, and the king cried with a loud voice, O my son Absalom, O Absalom, my son, my son! And Joab came into the house to the king, and said, Thou hast shamed this day the faces of all thy servants, which this day have saved thy life, and the lives of thy sons and of thy daughters, and the lives of thy wives, and the lives of thy concubines; In that thou lovest thine enemies, and hatest thy friends. For thou hast declared this day, that thou regardest neither princes nor servants: for this day I perceive, that if Absalom had lived, and all we had died this day, then it had pleased thee well. Now therefore arise, go forth, and speak comfortably unto thy servants: for I swear by the LORD, if thou go not forth, there will not tarry one with thee this night: and that will be worse unto thee than all the evil that befell thee from thy youth until now. Then the king arose, and sat in the gate. And they told unto all the people, saying, Behold, the king doth sit in the gate. And all the people came before the king: for Israel had fled every man to his tent.

(2Sa 19:1-8 KJVA)

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are the household of faith.

But remember Rev 20:15

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

I think it is dubious at best to construct a theological stament on God just from a couple of verses. I might as well say something stupid that as God is love 1 John 4:8 God must love sin too.

No, God loves us all, however God does not love us in our sins, but what God wants is to rip us from our sins and lead us to life everlasting. God however is also fair and hence Rev 20:15 Mathew 25:45 etc

Maybe (?) for a hard core calvinist could think that God hates most humans but the few He chose for eternal life as it could make sense for them yet I'd see that as an attack to the goodness of God.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

I think it is dubious at best to construct a theological stament on God just from a couple of verses. I might as well say something stupid that as God is love 1 John 4:8 God must love sin too.

No, God loves us all, however God does not love us in our sins, but what God wants is to rip us from our sins and lead us to life everlasting. God however is also fair and hence Rev 20:15 Mathew 25:45 etc

Maybe (?) for a hard core calvinist could think that God hates most humans but the few He chose for eternal life as it could make sense for them yet I'd see that as an attack to the goodness of God.

Romans 4:5 God justifieth the ungodly...

yet god ignors sins , forgives, covered the sins up in romans 4:7-8

He died for all to show his love but without God we chose the wrong way every time.. Matt 11:20-24, eph 1:4

is God not all powerful?

 

[Glorianna]

God hates sin, not sinners. He loves EVERYONE.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Then why Revelations 20:15 people go to Hell

if God love everyone why do people go to Hell!

this blows this thought out of the water!

 

[herev]

Then why Revelations 20:15 people go to Hell

if God love everyone why do people go to Hell!

this blows this thought out of the water!

people go to hell because they reject God, not because God rejects them

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

people go to hell because they reject God, not because God rejects them

without the holy spirit one cannot believe since they are satan' children and he blinds them

everyone deserves Hell


Romans 3:23

yet God choses some

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

yet that does not befit the majesty of God.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

that's why he saved some its all in the bible need verses or something

yet with the disobiedant angels he never offered salvation

that why God calls it grace

 

[cygnusx1]

Excellent thread !!

I don't believe Reprobation and God's universal Love for all men are at odds at all , I think the one implies the other. God is longsuffering over the non-elect as well as patient Loving and Kind.

I spent many years agonising over this issue , and I finally had it resolved.
Is it important? Yes! If we want to be like God we have to know what His attitude , disposition is towards men in general.And I can tell you it is good and loving , even to those God has closed the door of election to.

The very fact that men come under such harsh judgment from God , is because God showed them many acts of Love and kindness , but these were rejected and God's Spirit was grieved and even outraged!

 

[Sola Gratia]

I don't get it.I thought God loved everyone.

He loves those that are His.

 

[Sola Gratia]

I think it is dubious at best to construct a theological stament on God just from a couple of verses. I might as well say something stupid that as God is love 1 John 4:8 God must love sin too.

No, God loves us all, however God does not love us in our sins, but what God wants is to rip us from our sins and lead us to life everlasting. God however is also fair and hence Rev 20:15 Mathew 25:45 etc

Maybe (?) for a hard core calvinist could think that God hates most humans but the few He chose for eternal life as it could make sense for them yet I'd see that as an attack to the goodness of God.

The word "fair" does not appear in scripture as an attribute of God does it?

If God was bound by what men call "fair" we would all go to hell.
Fair is a concept of Satan's that men uses when we judge each other .

Those that say that God loves everyone and that he is "fair" need to spend more time reading when the bible does tell us about God , not things said by men to tickle our ears.

 

[Sola Gratia]

God hates sin, not sinners. He loves EVERYONE.

Is there a scripture that says hate the sin but love the sinner?


THE BIBLE SAYS GOD HATES SINNERS, NOT JUST THE SIN:

Leviticus 20:23: “And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nations which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I ABHORRED THEM.”


Leviticus 26:14-30: “If ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise My statutes, or if your soul abhor My judgments, so that ye will not do all My commandments, but that ye break My covenant, I also will do this to you... [send plagues, famine, drought, destructive armies, wild beasts who shall devour your children, pestilence, captivity in a cruel land...] And if ye will not for all this hearken unto Me, but walk contrary to Me; Then I WILL WALK CONTRARY TO YOU IN FURY... I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses upon the carcasses of your idols, and MY SOUL SHALL ABHOR YOU.”




Deuteronomy 18:12 “For all that do these things are an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD, and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.”

Deuteronomy 25:16: “...ALL THAT DO UNRIGHTEOUSLY ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD.”

Deuteronomy 28:62-63: “Because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God... it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will the Lord will REJOICE OVER YOU TO DESTROY YOU, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.” (In Deuteronomy 27, 28, and 29, 124 CURSES are promised upon the Jews who refused to obey God’s commandments.)

Deuteronomy 32:16-20: “They provoked Him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations they provoked Him to ANGER... And when the Lord saw it [people sacrificing to devils - v.17], HE ABHORRED THEM...”

Psalm 2:4-9: “The Lord that sits in the heavens shall LAUGH [at rebellious men]: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His WRATH, and VEX THEM IN HIS SORE DISPLEASURE... [and Christ shall] break them with a rod of iron: Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”

Psalm 5:5-6: “The foolish shall not stand in Thy sight: THOU HATEST ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (lies): THE LORD WILL ABHOR THE BLOODY AND DECEITFUL MAN.”

Psalm 7:11-13: “...God is ANGRY with the wicked every day. If he turn not, He will whet His sword; He hath bent His bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His arrows against the persecutors.”

Psalm 10:3: “For the wicked... blesseth the covetous, WHOM THE LORD ABHORRETH.”

Psalm 11:5-7: “The Lord trieth the righteous: but THE WICKED AND HIM THAT LOVETH VIOLENCE HIS SOUL HATETH. Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness...”

Psalm 50:22: “Now consider this, ye that forget God, LEST I TEAR YOU IN PIECES, AND THERE BE NONE TO DELIVER.”

Psalm 78:59: “When God heard this He was wroth, and GREATLY ABHORRED ISRAEL.”

Psalm 106:40: “Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against His people, insomuch that HE ABHORRED HIS OWN INHERITANCE.”

Proverbs 3:32-33: “For the froward is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD... The CURSE OF THE LORD is in the house of the wicked: but He blesseth the habitation of the just.”

Proverbs 6:16-19: “These six things doth THE LORD HATE: yea, seven are AN ABOMINATION TO HIM... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among the brethren.”

Proverbs 16:5: “Every one that is proud in heart is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.”

Proverbs 17:5: “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.”

Proverbs 22:14: “The soul of strange women is a deep pit: HE THAT IS ABHORRED OF THE LORD shall fall therein.”

Jeremiah 17:5: “Thus saith the Lord, CURSED BE THE MAN that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.”

Hosea 9:15: “All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I HATED THEM: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of Mine house, I WILL LOVE THEM NO MORE...”

Malachi 1:3-4: “And I HATED ESAU, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness...thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and the people AGAINST WHOM THE LORD HATH INDIGNATION FOREVER.”

Romans 9:13: “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but ESAU HAVE I HATED.”

I Corinthians 16:22: “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be ANATHEMA MARANATHA [which means ACCURSED, THE LORD COMETH].”

James 4:4: “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship of the world is ENMITY (or HATRED) WITH GOD? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is an ENEMY OF GOD.”