Does God love all or some?

[Magisteria]

God Loves All, and God is Love, and "Love Never Fails" - I Corinthians 13:8

 

[Saint Steven]

Scripture does talk about God hating people, but Deity’s definition of “hate” does not exclude Loving those people at the same time, like we are to “hate” and Love our own family.

In some cases the Bible uses exaggeration to make a point. We shouldn't take those passages literally. IMHO

 

[Saint Steven]

Completely agree.
But that still does not mean that all will be saved and enter into. or accept, that salvation.

That seems to be exactly what this one below is saying. It indicates that "those who believe" are a subset of "all people" who are saved.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

 

[Saint Steven]

Yeah because the scriptures repeatedly say that God shows partiality. (Speaking sarcastically)

That's my point. Since God doesn't show partiality, he doesn't show favoritism.

Saint Steven said: ↑
So, from that perspective, what does the term "the elect" mean in the scope of God's love for everyone? Sounds like favoritism. - lol

 

[Saint Steven]

Here is the context:
It's "hate" within the context of Him
sending His only Son, to die
for people who actively disrespect Him.

Somehow, I don't think God is threatened by our behavior.

 

[Saint Steven]

It is more of a generalization like "I love apples". So the equivalent question is, "do you love rotten apples as well?"

God doesn't make rotten apples. Although, he might heal them.

 

[bling]

Oh my goodness...

so then why are the best of HIS creation, the HOLY AND ELECT ANGELS, without sin and have never sinned?? Sin is necessary for NOTHING! It is an aberration that must be corrected by judgement or forgiveness.

First off: I hope you read all of my lengthy response and not just the last sentence.

Why do you consider or think “the best of HIS creation, were the HOLY AND ELECT ANGELS?”

Some of those angels rebelled against God, so are they “better” then spiritual sinless beings in heaven that were formally humans.

Part of the fact is all mature adults have experienced the hoarer’s of sin and the pain sin creates, so will not need to know what that is like again, humans do not experienced sin in heaven, resulting being kicked out of heaven.

Sinning while on earth is not desired, but it is only unforgiven sin which is a problem for the former sinner.

If you know another way please let me know, since the only way I have experienced, and seen, to obtain Godly type Love (and thus become like God) is by what Jesus taught us in Luke 7 and that is: He that is forgiven much Loves much. If of your own free will, you accept God’s forgiveness of an unbelievable huge debt created by sin, you will automatically receive an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love). That Love is not instinctive (robotic) for humans, so it must be the result of a free will choice with likely alternatives (the perceived pleasures of sin).

Godly type Love is not something you can learn, develop, earn, payback for getting, or have forced on you, so it can only be accepted as a charitable gift.

Adam and Eve in the Garden prior to sinning, did everything right, so they had no reason to be humble before anyone, nor did they need to receive anything from God as pure undeserved charity, since God as their father had obligations as their creator to care for His totally obedient creations. After sinning they had no reason for God to provide them with anything, so they were either on their own or relying on God’s charity. They had a huge need for undeserved forgiveness (Charity/Love), but it takes humility to correctly beg for charity.

 

[bling]

In some cases the Bible uses exaggeration to make a point. We shouldn't take those passages literally. IMHO

Right

 

[Saint Steven]

Right

Here is an interesting case.

Edom
Edom was an ancient kingdom in Transjordan located between Moab to the northeast, the Arabah to the west and the Arabian Desert to the south and east. Most of its former territory is now divided between Israel and Jordan.

The destruction of Edom uses the same exaggerated language descriptions as hell in the Bible. Yet none of it lasted forever as it clearly says. And you can certainly pass through it today. For this prophecy to be taken literally it would need to be a smoking tar pit with a bypass to get around it.

Isaiah 34:8-11
For the Lord has a day of vengeance,
a year of retribution, to uphold Zion’s cause.
9 Edom’s streams will be turned into pitch,
her dust into burning sulfur;
her land will become blazing pitch!
10 It will not be quenched night or day;
its smoke will rise forever.
From generation to generation it will lie desolate;
no one will ever pass through it again.
11 The desert owl and screech owl will possess it;
the great owl and the raven will nest there.
God will stretch out over Edom
the measuring line of chaos
and the plumb line of desolation.

 

[Dan1988]

For God so loved the world....

How does that not mean everyone?

By the by, if you voted only some, thank you for voting what you believe. Some (who God still loves) don't feel the poll is sufficient. To each their own, but thank you.

You added the word "everyone" and Jesus strictly forbids adding anything to His perfect Word.
This is why the Church is divided, we have people superimposing their views and conditions on Gods Word.
I'm not sure what makes you think you have the right to tell God what He should have said. But with all due respect I reject your addition to His Word as heresy

 

[John Mullally]

How can the will be free when it is God who directs your choices to his ends?
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” Philippians 2:13 (KJV 1900)

I believe this kind of "worketh in you" is similar to what coaches, parents, and teachers exercise - not as a puppeteer.

Rev 3:19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.​

 

[public hermit]

You added the word "everyone" and Jesus strictly forbids adding anything to His perfect Word.
This is why the Church is divided, we have people superimposing their views and conditions on Gods Word.
I'm not sure what makes you think you have the right to tell God what He should have said. But with all due respect I reject your addition to His Word as heresy

Uh huh. So, what does "world" mean in that verse? You do allow that words have meaning, don't you? Please, define "world."

 

[Cormack]

It’s a very silly accusation to write @public hermit added anything to Gods perfect word, they were clearly asking whether or not the word “everyone” was an appropriate synonym for “the world” when we read “for God so loved the world.”

With that mentality we might as well burn everyone at the stake for translating the Bible into English and changing all of its words into appropriate synonyms.

That’s how you know the Holy Spirit truly indwells, because it takes supernatural patience to answer such an awful criticism.

 

[Dan1988]

Uh huh. So, what does "world" mean in that verse? You do allow that words have meaning, don't you? Please, define "world."

The word "world" in that verse means "cosmos" as in universe. Hope that helps but it still doesn't say every single person in the universe.
microsoft gave the world personal computers, now according to your wonderful philosophy all 7.4 billion people have a PC. It's amazing what you can create when you chase a dime down a rabbit hole, they say a Jew created the Grand Canyon when he dropped a dime down a rabbit hole

 

[Neogaia777]

It means "everyone", or "all of humanity or humankind", etc, but if you look at it a little bit further, it says "God so Loved/Loves the world", etc, etc, etc, "so that, or in order that", "all "might" attain or come to (full complete) repentance", etc...

Which means only "maybe", etc...?

Or all, and I do mean "all", etc, would all have to come to or all attain to the level of belief it takes, or would take, in order for them (all) to (equally) (all each) repent completely, etc...

So, the only way everyone could possibly be saved, and all go to heaven, and not one single one of us go to hell, etc, and stay there forever after a certain point, etc, is only if every single one of us, "first believes and has (the right kind of) faith" first, a "saving faith" first, etc, and then second or secondly, only if only "all of everyone all each repents totally and completely" second, etc...

Otherwise all will not all, all ever be saved at all ever, etc, but only some only, etc...

And that perfectly falls completely in line with the rest of the Bible and the "True Gospel" (message) also, etc... That it requires faith and repentance out of everyone who is, or will ever be saved, etc, otherwise they will not ever be (saved), etc...

Now, take a good hard long look at the world around you, and you tell me if you really truly see all of each and every single one of us, all ever doing this all each equally, or all each all doing this all totally and completely, etc...?

And you tell me what you would say or how you would answer...?

Yes, or No, etc...?

Cause I say "No", etc...

And that "that" is just not ever going to happen, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

It means "everyone", or "all of humanity or humankind", etc, but if you look at it a little bit further, it says "God so Loved/Loves the world", etc, etc, etc, "so that, or in order that", "all "might" attain or come to (full complete) repentance", etc...

Which means only "maybe", etc...?

Or all, and I do mean "all", etc, would all have to come to or all attain to the level of belief it takes, or would take, in order for them (all) to (equally) (all each) repent completely, etc...

So, the only way everyone could possibly be saved, and all go to heaven, and not one single one of us go to hell, etc, and stay there forever after a certain point, etc, is only if every single one of us, "first believes and has (the right kind of) faith" first, a "saving faith" first, etc, and then second or secondly, only if only "all of everyone all each repents totally and completely" second, etc...

Otherwise all will not all, all ever be saved at all ever, etc, but only some only, etc...

And that perfectly falls completely in line with the rest of the Bible and the "True Gospel" (message) also, etc... That it requires faith and repentance out of everyone who is, or will ever be saved, etc, otherwise they will not ever be (saved), etc...

Now, take a good hard long look at the world around you, and you tell me if you really truly see all of each and every single one of us, all ever doing this all each equally, or all each all doing this all totally and completely, etc...?

And you tell me what you would say or how you would answer...?

Yes, or No, etc...?

Cause I say "No", etc...

And that "that" is just not ever going to happen, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

And that if it is the right kind of faith, repentance will come along with it, etc...

Otherwise it might not ever been the right kind of, true truly saving faith, to ever begin with, etc...

And I just don't see "all of every single one of us in the whole entire world all each having it/that all completely" at all ever, etc... Or "all of each every single one us all ever truly attaining to it/that all completely", etc... At all ever, etc...

Cause that is the only true way, according the the entire truth of both the true Gospel, and scripture, that all could ever all wind up all being saved at all completely ever, etc... And at all ever, etc....

Anyway...

Anyway, I just don't think that's ever going to happen ever, etc...

God Bless!

 

[public hermit]

The word "world" in that verse means "cosmos" as in universe. Hope that helps but it still doesn't say every single person in the universe.
microsoft gave the world personal computers, now according to your wonderful philosophy all 7.4 billion people have a PC. It's amazing what you can create when you chase a dime down a rabbit hole, they say a Jew created the Grand Canyon when he dropped a dime down a rabbit hole

You're stretching the obvious beyond recognition. If God loves the cosmos, then God loves everything entailed therein, which includes all the people.

I'm having a hard following your line of thinking.

 

[Neogaia777]

God the Holy Spirit, or God in and of the OT, and/or God who is our God now today, the same as in the past also, until Jesus comes back anyway, etc, only Loves those who will come to, or do attain to, true repentance at all ever only, etc... (And a true saving faith at all ever only, etc)...

Anyway, He, or that One, only truly Loves, only ever those ones only, etc...

And Jesus is commanded to only ever only accept only, only those ones who only ever do truly come to, or only ever do truly attain to, the true full measure of only true full repentance at all ever only, etc... (And a true saving faith only at all ever only, etc)...

And this command is laid upon Him by God the Father, etc...

And God the Father Loves all, it's just that He never ever made some of them/you/me/us ever for Heaven at all ever only, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Dan1988]

God the Holy Spirit, or God in and of the OT, and/or God who is our God now today, the same as in the past also, until Jesus comes back anyway, etc, only Loves those who will come to, or do attain to, true repentance at all ever only, etc... (And a true saving faith at all ever only, etc)...

Anyway, He, or that One, only truly Loves, only ever those ones only, etc...

And Jesus is commanded to only ever only accept only, only those ones who only ever do truly come to, or only ever do truly attain to, the true full measure of only true full repentance at all ever only, etc... (And a true saving faith only at all ever only, etc)...

And this command is laid upon Him by God the Father, etc...

And God the Father Loves all, it's just that He never ever made some of them/you/me/us ever for Heaven at all ever only, etc...

God Bless!

Can you show me where God said He loves all, I've never seen that in the Bible but I did read that He hates some and loves others before they're even born.

 

[Dan1988]

You're stretching the obvious beyond recognition. If God loves the cosmos, then God loves everything entailed therein, which includes all the people.

I'm having a hard following your line of thinking. In all kindness, I don't think it's me.

Do you begrudge the possibility that all people might have a computer, while using a computer to communicate that sentiment? Do you begrudge God's love for all people, while enjoying the privilege of that love for yourself?

All I know is your dead wrong, God definitely doesn't love everyone. He said He hates some people before they're even born.
He didn't kill billions of men women and children with a flood because He loved them and He won't cast billions into he lake of fire to be tormented forever because He loves them.

You need to start believing in God and what He said about Himself and not what wicked sinners say about Him.