Does God hide His Truth?

[Ben12]

Terral

I was not trying to derail anything; I did not bring up the topic of Lucifer; I responded to a false teaching. At the same time it is just another example where the wrong teachers and pastors are not using the scriptures, to back up their false traditional dogma. (Who are the correct pastors and teachers; the ones in your religion; or talk about a derail subject?) I am not using my dogma or tradition; I have none; because if God spirit reveals a present truth to me, I walk in the new revelation. I do not believe in any tradition of religion; I am anti-traditionalist; I believe in revelation (God revealing His Word) this is where that hidden manna is found. Ts is where the Holy Spirit can lead and guide us in to all truth.

I quoted multiple scriptures and showed you scriptural facts based on those scripture (back to Lucifer) so if I am wrong; then you have a foundation only when you can show me n scripture to back up your claim.

Just because you do not agree with me; or you have some established tradition does not make it a fact....

There is plenty of philosophy and vain deceit in Christianity today. Your word is not enough to establish that fact (there are over 22,000 different Christian Denominations). Nor can be place any complete confidence in the interpretation of scriptures tradition Pastors/teacher or any other pastor or teachers for there are both anointed teachers/ pastors and there are false teachers and pastors.

Colossians2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

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I can trust three things for truth in scripture; Corn wine and oil; used 18 times in scripture together; now that is what you call a scriptural pattern.

Corn speaks of the Word of God it root word is the Hebrew word dagan (daw-gawn'); meaning properly, increase, i.e. grain, wheat. Wheat makes bread which is symbolic of Christ body which was broken. Notice His Word has to be broken; the outer shell the hull the chaff; you got to get to the inner grain for substance (hidden manna). It also takes the wine or revelation of the Spirit to balance, As well as the oil (anointing) of the Spirit of Christ with in; instead of against Christ or against the anointing (anti-Christ).

 

[Terral]

Hi Ben with Dispy mentioned:

Ben >> I was not trying to derail anything; I did not bring up the topic of Lucifer; I responded to a false teaching.

Yes, Mr. Ben here is way off on a “Lucifer tangent,” when the topic is about whether or not God hides His truth. :0)

Ben >> At the same time it is just another example where the wrong teachers and pastors are not using the scriptures, to back up their false traditional dogma.

In other words, Ben knows better than the Strong’s Lexicon or Vine’s Expository Dictionary Of NT Words, so we must suffer through his ‘false anti-traditional dogma.’ BTW, what did Ben ‘quote >>’ from my work above, before beginning this grandstanding charade? Only my name. :0)

Ben >> (Who are the correct pastors and teachers; the ones in your religion; or talk about a derail subject?) I am not using my dogma or tradition; I have none; because if God spirit reveals a present truth to me, I walk in the new revelation.

You give yours and I will do the same, so everyone else can decide if anyone is ‘approved’ at all; but the idea is to write somewhere within the parameters of the topic from your Opening Post. Otherwise, Ben is just some wantabe Bible commentator using his own homegrown Greek and Hebrew Definitions from his own broken down theology. Please forgive, but I am the first to read the posts from everyone in search of things that God has revealed to them via illumination by His Holy Spirit, but quite frankly I see more of that in Dispy’s posts than in any of yours.

Ben >> I do not believe in any tradition of religion; I am anti-traditionalist; I believe in revelation (God revealing His Word) this is where that hidden manna is found. Ts is where the Holy Spirit can lead and guide us in to all truth.

If your assertion had any basis in fact, then the USA would not have over 2000 Denominations of ‘professing’ Christians with that many different ways of interpreting the truth of God’s Living Word. The fact is that you can ask questions of Catholics, Baptists, Dispensationalists, Fundamentalists and get a variety of different answers, which leaves everyone in the position of deciding who is and is not approved by accurately handing the word of truth (2Tim. 2:15). We have exactly one reference to “hidden manna” in Scripture (Rev. 2:17) and that is promised by Christ Himself to “him who overcomes,” which includes a “white stone” and a “new name written on the stone which NO ONE knows but he who receives it.” And yet, Ben here is going to gain access to these things today by simply redefining a few Hebrew and Greek terms and selling us a boatload of Denominational drivel. :0) Again, I am the first to seek out ‘these things’ part of the "wisdom given him" that even Peter says are “hard to understand” (2Peter 3:14-16) in the work of others, as my work also includes things revealed by His Spirit for which only ‘some’ of my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus are ready to see revealed. When anything like that appears in your work, then I will be the very first to let you know. :0)

Ben >> I quoted multiple scriptures and showed you scriptural facts based on those scripture (back to Lucifer) so if I am wrong; then you have a foundation only when you can show me n scripture to back up your claim.

Start a “Lucifer” Thread and perhaps we will have something to debate . . .

Ben >> Just because you do not agree with me; or you have some established tradition does not make it a fact.... There is plenty of philosophy and vain deceit in Christianity today. Your word is not enough to establish that fact (there are over 22,000 different Christian Denominations). Nor can be place any complete confidence in the interpretation of scriptures tradition Pastors/teacher or any other pastor or teachers for there are both anointed teachers/ pastors and there are false teachers and pastors.

Our work will be placed upon the altar before Christ (2Cor 5:10) and He will decide the issues between us over which side has things ‘rightly divided,’ and which is full of himself and hot air. :0) Does God hide His truth from the sons of disobedience and infants in Christ still in soiled diapers? Yes! God’s Hidden Wisdom is for the ‘mature’ (1Cor. 2:6-8), whether you ever wake up to realize that fact or not. Ramble on with your off-topic remarks if that makes Ben happy . . .

Personally, I do not believe one word out of your mouth, but everyone is free to decide that for themselves . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Ben12]

Hi Ben with Dispy mentioned:

Yes, Mr. Ben here is way off on a &#8220;Lucifer tangent,&#8221; when the topic is about whether or not God hides His truth. :0)

In other words, Ben knows better than the Strong&#8217;s Lexicon or Vine&#8217;s Expository Dictionary Of NT Words, so we must suffer through his &#8216;false anti-traditional dogma.&#8217; BTW, what did Ben &#8216;quote >>&#8217; from my work above, before beginning this grandstanding charade? Only my name. :0)

You give yours and I will do the same, so everyone else can decide if anyone is &#8216;approved&#8217; at all; but the idea is to write somewhere within the parameters of the topic from your Opening Post. Otherwise, Ben is just some wantabe Bible commentator using his own homegrown Greek and Hebrew Definitions from his own broken down theology. Please forgive, but I am the first to read the posts from everyone in search of things that God has revealed to them via illumination by His Holy Spirit, but quite frankly I see more of that in Dispy&#8217;s posts than in any of yours.

If your assertion had any basis in fact, then the USA would not have over 2000 Denominations of &#8216;professing&#8217; Christians with that many different ways of interpreting the truth of God&#8217;s Living Word. The fact is that you can ask questions of Catholics, Baptists, Dispensationalists, Fundamentalists and get a variety of different answers, which leaves everyone in the position of deciding who is and is not approved by accurately handing the word of truth (2Tim. 2:15). We have exactly one reference to &#8220;hidden manna&#8221; in Scripture (Rev. 2:17) and that is promised by Christ Himself to &#8220;him who overcomes,&#8221; which includes a &#8220;white stone&#8221; and a &#8220;new name written on the stone which NO ONE knows but he who receives it.&#8221; And yet, Ben here is going to gain access to these things today by simply redefining a few Hebrew and Greek terms and selling us a boatload of Denominational drivel. :0) Again, I am the first to seek out &#8216;these things&#8217; part of the "wisdom given him" that even Peter says are &#8220;hard to understand&#8221; (2Peter 3:14-16) in the work of others, as my work also includes things revealed by His Spirit for which only &#8216;some&#8217; of my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus are ready to see revealed. When anything like that appears in your work, then I will be the very first to let you know. :0)

Start a &#8220;Lucifer&#8221; Thread and perhaps we will have something to debate . . .

Our work will be placed upon the altar before Christ (2Cor 5:10) and He will decide the issues between us over which side has things &#8216;rightly divided,&#8217; and which is full of himself and hot air. :0) Does God hide His truth from the sons of disobedience and infants in Christ still in soiled diapers? Yes! God&#8217;s Hidden Wisdom is for the &#8216;mature&#8217; (1Cor. 2:6-8), whether you ever wake up to realize that fact or not. Ramble on with your off-topic remarks if that makes Ben happy . . .

Personally, I do not believe one word out of your mouth, but everyone is free to decide that for themselves . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

I have to go tell later BUT....You know I even agree with some what you are saying; the overcomers, the white stone; new name (nature/character/authority) etc. Let us not forget the King and Priest and the Melchzedek Priesthood, the Tabernacle of David.


Nothing home grown Greek here; I am just simply asking you to prove it in scripture. All your religious references are wood hay and stubble if you cannot show me in scripture. I refer too many reference sources you have mentioned and more; but they are not the way the truth the light. Jesus said He was the way the truth the light. You are avoiding the Lucifer tangent because it has no substance except Strong&#8217;s etc. The Bible quite often proves these references wrong. Like I said I use Strong&#8217;s Lexicon or Vine&#8217;s Expository Dictionary all the time; but like all things of man they are corrupt. If t is not found in scripture it s not the truth&#8230;. Simple explain to me how the Devil is both a liar a murderer and an Angel in his beginning. Can't have it both ways; he was one or the other. The word angel simply means messenger; no more no less; you can be a heavenly messenger or earthy; what ever. If it is not in scripture then you whole religion is false. God&#8217;s Word????????

 

[Apollos1]

Hey Ben &#8211;

I have some scriptural material to share at another thread. But before I go, I wanted to get back with you on a couple of points.

First, you were unable to reply directly to my exegesis of 1 Corinthians 2:6-13 because it was the truth. You don&#8217;t have a clue. You also take an exaggerated &#8220;I&#8217;m right and everyone else is wrong&#8221; attitude that supercedes all that I have seen in these forums before. This is not an enviable trait to have.

Second, again, the Word of God is NEVER compared in anyway to the manna Israel had in the wilderness. I have nothing against metaphors, unless they are used inappropriately as you attempt to use this one! &#8220;Hidden manna&#8221; does not SINGNIFY the word of God in Revelation 2:17. You did not and can not show how it is either &#8211; which proves my point on this.

Third, you did not/could not refute what Paul said in Ephesians 3 &#8211; &#8220;When you read, you can understand&#8230;&#8221; So simple, yet misunderstood by the self-superior sect.

Fourth &#8211; you continue to confuse revelation with understanding. All has been revealed for man&#8217;s salvation. It is not &#8220;hidden&#8221;. But man needs to come to understand it to be saved. A man can then mature in Christ to continue to "grow" to Christ. You seem to require the need of some type of hocus-pocus spiritual procedure to endow man to be able to understand what God has already revealed. It isn&#8217;t so.

Titus 2:11 - "For the grace of God has appeared bringing salvation to all men..."
Do you think that salvation has come to ALL &#8211; or just those that have your special type of &#8220;initiation&#8221; ??? What cha think?

 

[Ben12]

Appolo,


It is not of matter of me being right or wrong; it is a matter of presenting God&#8217;s Word and standing by it. If you have a problem with my interpretation, then please express why, this is what an open Forum is all about.


A lot of heavy duty spiritual material has been presented and maybe it does not fit in your wine skin; if is the case you need to pray about it. I totally agree 1 Corinthians 2:6-13 is the truth; so what is your question? Most people could care less about what God is saying all they care about is they are right&#8230;&#8230;


Just because Christians are spirit filled, or goes to Church does not mean they are hearing God&#8217;s Spirit. I have known there is certain religious system that believed they are &#8220;thy anointed&#8221; and were led only by HQs.

If there is an anointing it comes from God in a man not a system; God has never called a system. Like it or not there are many so called anointing is christianity today and the vast majority have much more to do with being religious or bias then it comes to led by God&#8217;s Spirit.


I thought I explained manna pretty clearly. So manna is not food from God; is that not what God&#8217;s Word is? So what is manna/ hidden manna to you?????

So what is your question on Ephesians 3; no one refuted this chapter. And by the way I do not belong to any group or sect superior or inferior.

No salvation has not come to all; that is God&#8217;s timing not yours or mine; each in their own order. Clearly it is written, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in His own order; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming." (I Cor. 15:22-23). There is no doubt concerning the totality of salvation for every man-- whatever was affected by death through Adam, shall be MADE ALIVE THROUGH CHRIST. The triumph of Christ is far greater than the sin of Adam. But the point that is before us is that of TIMING-- with "every man in his own order." There is DIVINE ORDER in this NEW CREATION that is being brought forth, as God gathers one by one a people unto Himself. From Calvary until this present time, God has been working in what is rightly termed "HIS FIRSTFRUITS." We who are living at the ending of this age (web ed. note: which still could be a long ways away) are still being drawn into this "firstfruits order." But never forget, the firstfruits of a harvest are the PROMISE that all the rest of the harvest will follow in its time.

Being saved is not the same as being an overcomer.

There is a basic salvation and a full salvation; most know only basic salvation.

I do not believe like many fundamental believe; but it is so much more then that; salvation as many call it is more like justification of your faith a good example would be the thief on the cross.

Heb 9:28

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (KJV)

Amplified Bible says full salvation Heb. 9: 28

Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden the sins of many once and once for all, will appear a second time, not to carry any burden of sin nor to deal with sin, but to bring to full salvation those who are [eagerly, constantly, and patiently] waiting for and expecting Him.


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Thirty, sixty one hundred fold, press towards that mark; God has a deep walk for those who dare go beyond the basics. The word saved means to be saved, healed, delivered, set free Strong&#8217;s NT:4982 sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe"); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): Any of these words can be interchanged.

 

[LLWHA]

More tradition:



Lucifer; is he really the devil?
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering-----------in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth -----15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Is 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!------13 For thou hast said in thine heart (mind) I will ascend into heaven, ---- 14 I will belike the most High, 15 yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit, -----16----Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms------.


Now the religious system teaches that Ez 28:13 and Is 14:12 are speaking of Satan and the KJ Bible is the only version that uses the word Lucifer. It is not even a Hebrew word.


Moffat translation says "What a fall from heaven O Shining star of the dawns" Rotherham"How hast thou fallen from heaven, O shining One, son of the dawn!"Amplified "how are you fallen from heaven O light-bearer and day star, son of the morning!"

2 Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.


Rev 22:16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these thing sin the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The word Lucifer in the Strong's Concordance says it is a title applied to the king of Babylon. The word itself means the morning star. In the natural it is speaking of a King and in the spiritual it is speaking of Adam. The word MAN means a mortal, an individual, a male person. I could rest my case on just that one verse alone, but why would Peter under the direction of the Holy Spirit compare Jesus as the Day star with Lucifer the Devil?
It is the erroneous translation of the KJ that infers such.
Lucifer was never an Arc Angel, he was a MAN. (Satan is a spirit.)

Is14:15 says he was brought down to hell, (sheol, place of the dead) the side of the pit. Satan is never thrown in the grave because he has no part in a natural death as he is a spiritual being. Only MAN dies and is placed in a grave. Evil spirits only go to a place called Tartarus and Satan the high ranking one is sent to the lake of fire.( which is not hell)

When Adam was placed in Eden he was perfect. When Adam fell he fell from a lofty realm. He was cast out of that realm. Adam because of the fall caused Kingdoms to shake and made the world as a wilderness. The fall brought us down into this realm of vanity. Adam was the1st Adam and Jesus is the last Adam.

Even the Jews knew the true name of Satan. They called him Beelzebub. Satan was created a tool

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy. (See God created Satan)


Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNINGand abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. John writes in

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING.For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..


I cannot see that Satan had two beginnings. The word beginning in the Greek means beginning. Not first he was an angel, second he was a murder and liar. Which one was he? Do we take the RCC's translation or do we take the correct translation of the word Lucifer?

In the beginning Man was full of light and Satan was full of darkness. God is not working on a plan B. He has had a plan and a purpose from the beginning and Satan was a part of that plan. Simply a tool. Never an angel.

This is my stand and I feel that you have a choice to believe the word of God or to accept a false doctrine made up in the minds of religious men.

Yes Lucifer is the devil.
There was a great war in heaven. Lucifer and you lost to the Archangel Michael and the Angels that fought with Him..

Lucifer and you were tossed off the Morning star.

God did not want to kill you for your treason so you and all the other angels that sided with Lucifer decided to take Gods deal and have your souls put in human bodies and were given a chance to reform so you could go back home to the morning star (Heaven).

Deut. 4:20 But the "I AM" hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, [even] out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as [ye are] this day.

Matthew. 13:41 The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his Kingdom ALL things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of Fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

God did not burn up the souls of the traitors that tried to kill Him with Lucifer. Most all will be burned up but a few thousand will be reformed and go home to Heaven.

Exodus 34:6 And the "I AM" passed by before him, and proclaimed, The "I AM", The "I AM" God, Merciful and Gracious, Longsuffering, and abundant in Goodness and Truth,
34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation].


Lucifer did not take this deal and swore to stop you from going Home by any way that he could.

Rev. 2:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their (human) lives unto the death.

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of. Traitors against God.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (YOU that do not DO God's Will):


John12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that HATETH his life in this world shall keep it unto Life Eternal.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the identity of the only incarnated Son of God.

 

[Ben12]

LLWHA

Anyone can quote scripture; I have no idea what your point is; you are all over the place. Talk a bunch of mumbo jumbo; you have said nothing to prove Lucifer is the devil; just because you placed the word Lucifer in periphrases next to the word devil only shows to believe it. You have to show me where Lucifer is the devil; the word Lucifer is only mentioned one time in the King James Bible and it was a bad translation.

Out of God's own mouth proceeds the assertion, "I have created the WASTER to destroy" (Isa. 54:16). We gather from this passage that Satan is a created being with a definite purpose. That purpose is stated in the opening words of the above quoted verse: "I have created the smith (the Devil) that blows the coals in the fire, and that BRINGS FORTH AN INSTRUMENT for his work."

Man says that Satan IN THE BEGINNING was holy, but later fell from that estate. JESUS said of Satan, "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a MURDERER (not an angel) from the BEGINNING, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he, speaks of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. (Jn. 8:44). In these studies on the Garden of Eden we are searching out the BEGINNING, probing into the very midsts of the past, the times before this age and past ages, that we might understand the grand and glorious purposes of our omnipotent and omniscient heavenly Father which

He has purposed from the beginning of the world. How authoritatively the Lord Jesus reveals that way back there, in THE BEGINNING, in even HIS beginning, Satan WAS A MURDERER!
Satan "Adobe not" in the truth. In the Greek text this verb is the imperfect tense of (ed: Greek form of steko(?)), I keep my standing, or simply, I stand, and the form is (esteken(?)) meaning that even before the fall or as far back as this person existed HE WAS NOT TRUE. Dr. Robert Young, in his Literal translation of the Bible, renders this verse: "He was a manslayer from the beginning, and in the truth HE HAS NOT STOOD, because there is no truth in him. The Rotherham version reads:

"He was a murderer from the beginning, and IN THE TRUTH HE STOOD NOT; because the truth was not in him." J. B. Phillips gives the plainest and most accurate translation: "He ALWAYS WAS a MURDERER, and has NEVER DEALT WITH THE TRUTH, since the truth will have nothing to do with him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks in character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

MAN says that Satan IN THE BEGINNING was perfect and sinless. But the apostle John, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, penned these words in regard to Satan's origin: "He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil SINS FROM THE BEGINNING" (I Jn. 3:8). Devil, according to I Jn. 3:8 W-A-S A SINNER F-R-O-M T-H-E B-E-G-I-N-N-I-N-G! Now, if we are to believe the Bible means what it says - and I believe it does - we must believe that from his very beginning SATAN WAS EVIL.

How COULD an all-wise and holy God create an evil Devil? Our reply to that is another question: If God, all-wise and all-knowing, created a being and designed within this being the inherent ability and potential to become evil - a will capable of rebelling against Him, and if in His omniscience He knew beforehand that this creature would become evil, is God then any LESS responsible for the Devil? If we say God created a good being and did not know he would become evil, then the Devil got a step ahead of God! If the Devil could do something back there which God did not know he would do, or did not plan for him to do, THEN HOW CAN WE BE SURE HE MIGHT NOT PULL A FAST ONE ON GOD AGAIN! Is it any less thinkable that God would create an evil one than just to create one with the God-given ability to become evil? In either case, there is absolutely no way to absolve GOD from the Devil!

Here Satan is called "that old serpent." The word "old" is from the Greek word "archaios" which means ORIGINAL or PRIMEVAL. "Primeval" means FROM THE FIRST AGE OR AGES: PRIMITIVE. "Archaios" is from the Greek word "arche" which means A COMMENCEMENT OR BEGINNING. Furthermore, "arche" is an abstraction of the Greek word "archomai" which means TO COMMENCE IN ORDER OF TIME. Putting this all together can we not see that Satan is that OLD serpent, that ANCIENT serpent, that ORIGINAL serpent, that PRIMEVAL serpent, the serpent of THE FIRST AGE, from the BEGINNING, who existed as a serpent right FROM THE COMMENCEMENT OF TIME!
Phillip's translation reads, "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key of the pit and a huge chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, the SERPENT OF ANCIENT DAYS, who IS both the Devil and Satan (nothing about Lucifer here unless you are adding it your self) ..." Another version states, "And he seized the dragon, the ORIGINAL SERPENT, WHO IS the Devil and Satan ..." The Amplified Bible says, "And he gripped and overpowered the dragon, that OLD SERPENT OF PRIMEVAL TIMES, WHO IS the Devil and Satan ...

" It is a common fault among us to repeat what the theologians and preachers of Babylon say instead of saying what GOD SAYS, but it is a very great blessing to us when once we comprehend the utter simplicity of the truth of God and simply believe it. Practically all sermons preached today are merely the philosophy of the preacher, and practically all the philosophy of the preacher is the tradition of men handed down from one generation to the next. These philosophies and traditions of the church become the established doctrines of the sect, and the graduates from the Seminaries become so zealous in propounding them that they never once think to seek HIS face, come to know HIS will, or be partakers of HIS glorious mind. Thus through a lifetime men go on preaching, contending and arguing their time-honored traditions until they become like the Pharisees of old, making the WORD OF GOD OF NO EFFECT through their traditions. They become thoroughly robbed of their vital association with Him, and lost to them is the grand and glorious TRUTH as it is IN JESUS.

 

[Dispy]

Dispy was doing very well, until he said, &#8220;Therefore, we now have everything that God wants us to know.

If, as Paul says in Colossians 1:20 "Whereof I a made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you to fulfill (complete) the word of God;" does not give us all that God wants us to know, Then how do we obtain futher revelation that is not contained in our Bible?

God reveales Himself through His Word, the Bible. We can read the Bible 24 hours a day during our entire life, and we will still will have only scrached the surface and to all the attributes of God, and His love. It is, figuratively speakinG, an endless GOLD MINE.

 

[Ben12]

Good question; God’s hidden Word is out there above and beyond what man desires to believe or hear. There is a great famine n the land; and I am not speaking of natural food. Who do you trust man and his religion or the Christ with in you?

For centuries Israel had looked for the coming of the Messiah until their eyes were dim with watching, but who among them all had even a hazy idea of how that coming would be accomplished. They did not expect a virgin birth; they did not 'expect a lowly birth; they did not expect a despised and rejected man nor a man at variance with their established creeds. They did not expect a crucifixion, a resurrection, or an ascension to heaven. All these things were contrary to their expectations and their long established beliefs; consequently they rejected Him. I suppose that Mary was the first person in all Israel to have the wonder of the virgin birth explained to her and that less than a year before the great event was to transpire.

No, we need not worry about our ignorance of things. Our only concern should be that when God does send us light that we receive it, for, if we reject it, the light we have becomes darkness and we can understand nothing. My old instructor, taught me a lesson I hope I shall never forget. He said, "The moment you say no, you close the door for the Spirit to teach you anything." What a lesson that is! How badly we all need to learn it! The moment the Spirit of God begins to shed light on a truth, it is time to begin to ask Him to instruct us in it. Do not submit God's revelation to the criticism of some dead church member or preacher, for they like the birds of the air will steal away the seed of the truth before it has a chance to sprout or take root within you.

We will never discover anything that God has hidden from us, but when by His grace He draws back the curtain and reveals the hidden treasure, it is time to grasp it, for if we tarry it will be covered again, and we will miss it. Do you remember that Jesus rejoiced in spirit and said, "I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so. Father, for so it seemed good in Thy sight"?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Good question; God’s hidden Word is out there above and beyond what man desires to believe or hear. There is a great famine n the land; and I am not speaking of natural food. Who do you trust man and his religion or the Christ with in you?

Good post. The LORD does mention 2 kinds of famine, spirtual and physical.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Amos 8:11 Behold! days, ones-coming, declares Adonai YHWH, and I send famine in land, not famine for bread and not thirst for waters but rather from hearing the words of YHWH.

Reve 18:8 Yet this, in one day, shall be arriving the stripes of her, death and sorrow and famine. And in fire she shall be being burned-down, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging her.

 

[Ben12]

Good post. The LORD does mention 2 kinds of famine, spirtual and physical.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Amos 8:11 Behold! days, ones-coming, declares Adonai YHWH, and I send famine in land, not famine for bread and not thirst for waters but rather from hearing the words of YHWH.

Reve 18:8 Yet this, in one day, shall be arriving the stripes of her, death and sorrow and famine. And in fire she shall be being burned-down, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging her.

Amen

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Amen

While studying on the greek, I noticed Luke is the only Gospel writer to use the word for "lake" and coincidentally it is pretty close to the greek word for "famine".
Gennesaret is another interesting word.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 5:1 It became yet, in the of the throng to be nearing to Him to be hearing the word of the God, and He was standing beside the Lake/limnhn <3041> Gennesaret/gennh-saret <1082>, [Matt 14:34, Mark 6:53]

Acts 7:11 "Came yet a famine/limoV <3042> on whole the land of Egypt and Canaan, and tribulation great and not they found sustenance the fathers of us

Matt 23:33 `Serpents! produce/generation/gennh-mata <1081> of vipers! how ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV?

 

[Dispy]

Good question; God’s hidden Word is out there above and beyond what man desires to believe or hear. There is a great famine n the land; and I am not speaking of natural food. Who do you trust man and his religion or the Christ with in you?

For centuries Israel had looked for the coming of the Messiah until their eyes were dim with watching, but who among them all had even a hazy idea of how that coming would be accomplished. They did not expect a virgin birth; they did not 'expect a lowly birth; they did not expect a despised and rejected man nor a man at variance with their established creeds. They did not expect a crucifixion, a resurrection, or an ascension to heaven. All these things were contrary to their expectations and their long established beliefs; consequently they rejected Him. I suppose that Mary was the first person in all Israel to have the wonder of the virgin birth explained to her and that less than a year before the great event was to transpire.

No, we need not worry about our ignorance of things. Our only concern should be that when God does send us light that we receive it, for, if we reject it, the light we have becomes darkness and we can understand nothing. My old instructor, taught me a lesson I hope I shall never forget. He said, "The moment you say no, you close the door for the Spirit to teach you anything." What a lesson that is! How badly we all need to learn it! The moment the Spirit of God begins to shed light on a truth, it is time to begin to ask Him to instruct us in it. Do not submit God's revelation to the criticism of some dead church member or preacher, for they like the birds of the air will steal away the seed of the truth before it has a chance to sprout or take root within you.

We will never discover anything that God has hidden from us, but when by His grace He draws back the curtain and reveals the hidden treasure, it is time to grasp it, for if we tarry it will be covered again, and we will miss it. Do you remember that Jesus rejoiced in spirit and said, "I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so. Father, for so it seemed good in Thy sight"?

There is only "spiritual" famine in the land when one does not eat from the "bread of Life," the Bible. The strong (in faith) eat from it daily, while the weak either do not eat from it, or rightly divide it.

 

[Ben12]

The apostle Paul, speaking of the whole armor of God, admonishes the
saints to "put on…the sword of the Spirit, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD"
(Eph. 6:17). Then the writer to the Hebrews declares that the sword of God’s word is "QUICK." Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power — making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified). Ah, yes, here is the sword that
conquers the death in us and GIVES LIFE! As it is written, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing…for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life!" (Jn. 6:63; II Cor. 3:6). There are two aspects of the Word of God. Jesus Christ is the Word — the Logos —

THE LIVING, CREATIVE WORD! But there is also that word which Paul calls "the letter." The letter is the outer hull, the record and history, the laws and commandments, the rules and regulations, the types, shadows and figures, the external ordinances, rituals, ceremonies, and feasts; the visible form of the word which tells us, in terms understandable by the
natural mind, many things about the Living Word, Jesus Christ. " Christ is the Word, the Living Word, and IN HIM IS LIFE!

Moses received a word from God. Many, many scriptures confirm that it was the very Lord Himself who spoke to Moses giving him the laws, commandments, judgments, and ordinances. Therefore it is called "the law of the Lord." Yet Paul, in speaking of this word from God, calls it "the ministration of death, written and engraved in stones." Then he further designates it "the ministration of condemnation." You, see, the law could only condemn! The only way the law could give life was if one perfectly kept it, but for every broken law there was a penalty. And no one was ever able to keep it! "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Therefore the law with all of its commandments, ceremonies, rituals, sacrifices, and observances is a dead word, it is form without essence, law without life, shadow without substance, chaff without kernel, it is the letter that killeth! It is "a word" about "The Word" and therefore shuts men up unto the dominion of death. It should not be difficult to understand that as Jesus Christ is the Living Word of God, the sword of the Spirit that quickens, so is the Letter of the Word a deadly sword, killing rather than quickening. Ah, two words and two swords! The flaming sword of the Cherubim is the word of the law which is a ministration of condemnation and death. It keeps men out of Eden, away from the tree of life! But the sword out of the mouth of God’s Christ is a living sword that excelled in glory as the ministration of Life!

1 John 2:27​

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

There is a problem with man approach to the truth; and I am just as guilty we all have our bias and want people to see it my way. Let “The Spirit of Truth”, reveal too me not; the 10,000 voices of Babylon who all have a different understanding.

I heard a Baptist say on the radio one day “that when you see something in scriptures that is so awesome and so impossible and only a few can see it. That is spiritual. Narrow is that gate that leads to life and few will find it. (Matt. 7:14)

 

[Ben12]

There is only "spiritual" famine in the land when one does not eat from the "bread of Life," the Bible. The strong (in faith) eat from it daily, while the weak either do not eat from it, or rightly divide it.

I agree totally, so many of God&#8217;s people just read the Bible and closed their eyes to its deep and manifold truth. They see the outer shell; they interpret it with carnal religious bias and spiritual immaturity. They let there pastor, or pope lead them instead of God&#8217;s Spirit with in them. It is no wonder there are so many religions out there; the daughters of Baby lon.

 

[Ben12]

There is only "spiritual" famine in the land when one does not eat from the "bread of Life," the Bible. The strong (in faith) eat from it daily, while the weak either do not eat from it, or rightly divide it.

Wherefore the law was our school-master to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:21-24).
A schoolmaster, (the Greek text gives, a child conductor), was one who held the child in restraint as they conducted the child from home to the school, making sure that there was no mischief along the way, and that the child arrived at the school. Then the child was given over to the care of the teacher, and the duty of the child conductor was ended. The child conductor did not stand in the back of the class room and continue to exercise control and authority over the child, for now the Teacher was in control, and there was to be no outside interference. So also, once we have been brought to Christ, and His anointing abides within us, we are to be led by the Spirit.