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Does God Exist?

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But the monster can't be the cause of itself. Or in wise words of Billy Preston, "Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'."
replace monster with God, and your statement is just as valid.
 
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Unlike the monster, God has self-existence. He is the unmoved mover.
so you presuppose. i wasn't really intending to debate apologetics, there is another forum for that. the fact is debates like this go nowhere as listening to a number of atheist - theist debates has shown.
 
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First 5 minutes are an interesting clip from Carl Sagan illustrating what an extra-dimensional encounter might be experienced like. He is illustrating from an spatial extra-dimension but this also works if you take it from the angle that the extra dimension (4th) was a spiritual one. "He looks around his house, sees no one there, and what's more has witnessed a greeting coming from inside, a Voice Within"

Christ is the story of the Apple, come to visit

 
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First 5 minutes are an interesting clip from Carl Sagan illustrating what an extra-dimensional encounter might be experienced like. He is illustrating from an spatial extra-dimension but this also works if you take it from the angle that the extra dimension (4th) was a spiritual one. "He looks around his house, sees no one there, and what's more has witnessed a greeting coming from inside, a Voice Within"

Christ is the story of the Apple, come to visit


Thanks for sharing!
 
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A more expansive argument. Beyond the mere monosyllable, charming though it is.
The title just asks a question. (I'm at work and can't watch the video.) So, as far as I know, there is nothing to argue. Wanna provide a synopsis of the video?
 
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The title just asks a question. (I'm at work and can't watch the video.) So, as far as I know, there is nothing to argue. Wanna provide a synopsis of the video?
Yes. The video is a summary of Anselm's argument that if it is possible for God to exists, then He exists. The Atheist not only hast to deny God's existence, but the possibility of His existence. This is the summary slide, with the first point being "It's possible that a Maximally Great Being exists."

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Yes. The video is a summary of Anselm's argument that if it is possible for God to exists, then He exists. The Atheist not only hast to deny God's existence, but the possibility of His existence. This is the summary slide, with the first point being "It's possible that a Maximally Great Being exists."

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  1. Why would one grant premise 1?
  2. Define "maximally great".
  3. Why would one grant 3?

Since I don't know that it is possible for a maximally great being to exist, the argument fails.
 
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  1. Why would one grant premise 1?
  2. Define "maximally great".
  3. Why would one grant 3?
Since I don't know that it is possible for a maximally great being to exist, the argument fails.
As I understand the argument,

1) I know that reality exists outside of what I can perceive directly with the mind.
2) If reality exists outside the mind to the smallest degree, then it exists to an infinite degree.
3) If it exists to an infinite degree in this world, then it exists in possible worlds.
4) If it exists in possible worlds, then it exists in the actual world.
5) Therefore a being self-existing in infinity exists in the actual world.
6) This being is God.
 
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