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What society do you know of that exists today that encourages its citizens to just live however they want to according to their feelings and opinions?
What society says that the unjustified taking of life is acceptable?
Name one.
Bro get serious.
The unjustified taking of life has ALWAYS been a crime in America.
Abusing a person sexually without their consent for mere pleasure has ALWAYS been a crime in America.
Taking something that does not belong to you for the sake of using it for your own selfish desires has ALWAYS been a crime in America.
What's wrong with you?
Bro get serious.
The unjustified taking of life has ALWAYS been a crime in America.
Abusing a person sexually without their consent for mere pleasure has ALWAYS been a crime in America.
Taking something that does not belong to you for the sake of using it for your own selfish desires has ALWAYS been a crime in America.
What's wrong with you?
That´s ok. What I take issue with is when you losen your belt at my expense; i.e. I am making a statement, and without even addressing the statement, you immediately take one of the keyterms, use it in a different definition and have changed the topic.
I think I would be more open to follow you on your tangents (which actually are completely immaterial for my point - other than having a word in common, albeit in totally different definitions), if you´d first respond to the actual statement (just so I get some feedback).
Yeah, if you give an example that merely begs the question...
Of course, the two uses of "authority" here still point to two entirely different definitions; and since in my initial statement I used "authority" exactly to distinguish an authoritative creator entity from an in itself convincing "game" that everyone plays naturally, your equivocation simply serves to ignore my point (not that I am assuming that that´s your intention, though).
I can't tell if you're being serious.Evidence that God exists:
If God existed we would expect to find things that are aesthetically engineered without being necessary for life. A perfect example of this is an earth/moon solar eclipse.
Indeed, the laws of physics do not revolve around the evolution of life on a particular planet. How is this evidence of a deity?Obviously, the fact that the moon almost exactly covers the sun during a total solar eclipse is completely unnecessary for life.
Achilles said:Please cite a source for this.
Explain.
The old testament law calls for stoning desobedient children to death. I'ld call that pretty unjustified.
I'm not sure about this actually, but I'ld be willing to bet that some 150 years ago, how "bad" a murder was considered to be, was a bit related to the skin color of the one being shot. Amirite?
Most certainly, trading and owning human beings who have no rights is today considered one of the most horrible practices one can engage in.
Then again, your "creator" specifically condones slavery in the bible. So I guess you don't see much problems with it?
Except when the victims had a certain darker skin color. Then it was okay.
Evidence that God exists:
If God existed we would expect to find things that are aesthetically engineered without being necessary for life. A perfect example of this is an earth/moon solar eclipse. The earth is the only planet in the solar system where the moon almost exactly covers the sun during a total solar eclipse, leading to a spectacular view:
About Solar Eclipses
And here's a photograph of a total solar eclipse:
Total Solar Eclipse 2010 Photos & Images
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Obviously, the fact that the moon almost exactly covers the sun during a total solar eclipse is completely unnecessary for life. The fact that this only happens on earth (and on no other planet in the solar system) remains yet another "unsolved mystery" for the antitheistic community.
More evidence that God exists:
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The Cosmological Argument from Contingency William Lane Craig 1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause. 2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God. 3. The universe exists. 4. Therefore, the universe has an explanation of its existence (from 1, 3). 5. Therefore, the explanation of the universe’s existence is God (from 2, 4).
So the question is this: Which is more plausible—that those premises are true or that they are false? 1.1. Premise 1 “Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.” According to premise 1, there are two kinds of things: things which exist necessarily and things which are produced by some external cause. Let me explain. Things that exist necessarily exist by a necessity of their own nature. It’s impossible for them not to exist. Many mathematicians think that numbers, sets, and other mathematical entities exist in this way. They’re not caused to exist by something else; they just exist necessarily. By contrast, things that are caused to exist by something else don’t exist necessarily. They exist contingently.
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The New Atheism and Five Arguments for God | Reasonable Faith
I'm pretty sure this argument has already been done to death on this forum.
The unjustified taking of life is by definition, the unjustified taking of life.
What is justified is a matter of debate. What is not a matter of debate is whether the unjustified taking of life is murder. Murder by definition is the unjustified taking of life.
oh you know the difference between the contingency version and the non contingency version, please expand. I won't steal your hot seat.
Thanks!Well, I don't remember it being that intentional or obvious for me to take your term and the implicit meaning you have behind it and change it by using a different definition. I'll keep a watch on this, though.
Yes, for me it is. Because when I made a statement using the word "authority" (initially I didn´t even use it, but used something like "external entity, deity") I didn´t make it to explore the semantics of "authority" - I meant to say something specific. Even if had used the word in an entirely wrong way, and your use of it would be the correct one, applying the correct definition to my statement would result in an assertion that I didn´t mean to make.I still say that's a difference in perspective (mine is broader, yours narrower), related directly to your use of authority here. So technically there's an impasse, but I think my definition, by going to the broader perspective, is more useful and representative of how it's typically used. But again this doesn't really matter. Is it really a reason for annoyance, or irrelevant to an argument, if we appeal to the language we're using to argue and make judgments here?
Well, firstly that wasn´t my point. At all.My use of the game example kind of brings this point together about how you use authority. If you were to say "no, the creators aren't authorities, even indirectly," then that would be a point of contention related to language: c'mon, of course they'd be authorities, because that's how "authority" is typically used. "Nope," you reply, "because I didn't define authority in this way."
Isn´t that exactly when it becomes convenient to appeal to a deity that allegedly sides with you: if you want to establish a "morality" that otherwise nobody would accept?
Just because we usually experience minds with bodies doesn't mean that physicalism is true.
Sorry, mythology is totally off topic when discussing the nature of reality.And in the case of God, the necessity of a body for there to be a mind is usually not true.
In America, murdering someone is a crime.
Evidence that God exists:
If God existed we would expect to find things that are aesthetically engineered without being necessary for life.
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