Does God draw or do we come?

[Rightglory]

Brother Chris,

But according to scripture, the chosen have not done anything to merit favor with God, God by His will and sovereignty chose them to be saved before the foundation of the world. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross has infinite value, and can save everyone, but not everyone will be saved. Therefore the message the salvation is offered to everyone, but only the elect will respond and be saved.

according to your interpretation of scripture. Scripture actually has never stated that some were chosen before the foundations of the world.

the sacrifice of Christ is infinite. It has already saved every human being from death I Cor 15:22. Christ gave life to the world. Christ overcame the power of the devil, death, Heb 2:14. He is not the Savior of some of the world. He is the Savior of the world.

The message offered is God's desire to have a personal relationship with you based on faith. On you being faithful. He saved all from death so that each and every human being can make a choice for himself. NO man will ever be condemned through Adam.

 

[Jpark]

Jpark,

It really does not help your view. From verse 13-19 is all about all being raised. NOthing is ever limited in the Resurrection.

Yeah, I was wrong about that. I clarified on my belief concerning this Scripture in post #32.

Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Verse 23 is just the order, those that died in Christ will be the first fruits of the resurrection. Then those that are still alive will be transformed at His coming.

No, it says Christ is the firstfruits.

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.

Rev. 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--

Those that are still alive (1 Thess. 4:15, 17) refers to those who are Christ's.

But all men will arise at that moment. Rev 20:13 gives the same story.

Christ is the firstborn of the dead, not the elect or any other group.

Why the distinction?

after that those who are Christ's
at His coming,

Matt. 25:46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Dan. 12:2 " Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Clearly, Christ is the firstborn of the elect. The dead who are classified as the wicked will not enjoy the same kind of resurrection He experienced.

As I have said before, the wicked will be forced by God into special physical bodies prepared by God for them which do not die or rot.

There is a huge difference between verse 39 and 40. Verse 40 is an impossibility unless verse 39 occurs.

Meaning, every human being that died through the condemnation of Adam will be given life by Christ. Very simple to understand. Christ assumed our human nature in order to transform it from mortal to immortal. Which is why every single human being will be raised on the last day.

This is precisely what verse 39 is saying. The impersonal pronouns is actually refereing to our human natures which, none will be lost and will all be raised the last day.

As I said above, the life imbued onto the wicked will be different from the life imbued onto the righteous.

Then verse40, OF all HUMANKIND, all human beings, every single soul that ever lived, of those of verse 39 they that believe and see will have everlasting life with Him.

Then why do we argue? I do not deny that those who genuinely believe and see Christ will have everlasting life.

Actually by purely word defintion, being made alive means precisely that all human beings will have an eternal life or existance. It's just that in most references the key or important matter is that it means to have an eternal existance, Life with Christ.

No, it means they will experience a kind of resurrection.

The rest will also have an eternal existance but they will be apart from God. It is called the Second death, or a spiritual separation.

They will not be eternal.
They will not even share in God's immortality.
They will not put on immortality.

They will be given special bodies that exhibit eternal properties.

Otherwise, what is John 15? Only those in Christ will share in God's immortality.

Obviously, you have totally misunderstood what I had stated as well as your understanding of scripture.

Possibly.

I Cor 15:22 has absolutely nothing to do with believers or a spiritual existance, or being IN Christ.

It has all to do with reversing the fall. Adam lost life, an eternal existance, the condemnation against him was death, man became mortal. Christ is the solution because He gives man life, immortality. You are again confusing what Christ accomplished on the Cross as our Incarnate Savior, from our relationship with Him which is our personal, individual salvation through faith.

But it says those who are Christ's. That indicates distinction. 1 Cor. 15:22 does have something to do with believers.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. But you have failed to understand that what I am explaining and what scripture is saying has nothing to do with Universalism.

It's possible that it is a misunderstanding, that I have misinterpreted your theology. It is because you failed to note the distinction between the kinds of resurrection.

You cannot have choice, unless Christ reverses the fall first. It is why He was needed.

God could not have a relationship with any man as long as man was dead, mortal. What good would it do God to simply have some earthly relationship with man and man would die and cease to exist after that mortal death?

Choice is given to all in varying degrees and measure of time. You mean I cannot have a choice in coming to Christ.

Absolutely not. God can have a relationship with man despite their mortality. It was not Adam's mortality that severed his connection to God, but it was his flesh. If the flesh is subdued in this life (Gen. 4:7), man can have a relationship with God while temporal.

In other words, If man does not recieve life, then there can be no relationship spiritually either. This is what I Cor 15:19 is saying. If the dead are not raised, then our faith is vain. If you don't have an eternal existance, all the faith in the world is not going to do you any good.

That is not what it is saying.

1 Cor. 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

Your faith is worthless (our faith is vain) = still in your sins

We do not follow God because we need an eternal existence to have a relationship with God.

We follow God because we have hope in Him, that He can deliver us from sin, whether in this life or life after death.

 

[Jpark]

I've shared this before but it seems few listen, and even fewer ever change their opinion after hearing. The word called isn't defined as some sort of beckoning cry for people to accept Jesus as their savior, it is a word of declaration that they already have accepted. And the word chosen is not referencing something that is up to God, but rather it is referencing those of us 'who made of ourselves to be chosen vessels or "vessels of honor"' (2Tim 2:21). We choose that by the obedience that comes from being led of the Sspirit (Sspirit = The Holy Spirit and/or our holy 'born again' spirit...which are one)

MAT 22:14 For many are called/kletos, but few are chosen/eklektos.

2822 kletos: invited ie appointed, or (spec) a saint

1588 eklektos: select; by impl. favorite

This verse could more correctly be translated as
For many are Christians, but few are favored (because of their obedience)

While I typically am vehemently opposed to universalism, that interpretation just might be valid.

Mark 2:17 And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

The righteous were already accepted by God.



For many are accepted, but few are favored.

Acts 10:34 Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,

Acts 10:35 (NIV) but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

Luke 1:28 And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you."

Isaiah 57:15 For thus says the high and exalted One
Who lives forever, whose name is Holy,
"I dwell on a high and holy place,
And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit
In order to revive the spirit of the lowly
And to revive the heart of the contrite.

Luke 1:48 "For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave;
For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed.

There is distinction between the righteous and the humble.



For many are righteous, but few are humble.

This is the proper interpretation!!!!!!

Gen. 4:4-5 Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering; but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell.

Gen. 4:7 (NIV) If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

1 Samuel 15:22 Samuel said,
"Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.



1 Cor. 13:1-3 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

2 Cor. 3:6 for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

2 Cor. 12:9-10 And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness " Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.
10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

John 6:63 " It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

John 6:63 (NLT) The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

Service is nothing without humility, without desire for God.

 

[Rightglory]

Jpark,

No, it says Christ is the firstfruits.

I thought that was a given. Christ was the first to rise from the dead. Thus all others are those that follow.

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.

Yes, and that means every single soul that ever lived. After all Christ became man, assumed our human nature, just so He could heal it. Raise it from mortal to immortal.

Rev. 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Those that are still alive (1 Thess. 4:15, 17) refers to those who are Christ's.

yes, the whole context is only about the believers in Thessolonica. He is giving encouragement to believers. But that does not negate the rest of scripture which clearly indicates that all the dead will arise in the last day. Christ is the firstborn of the dead, all the dead, not just those that believe. As in I Cor 15:23 and here in I Thess it is just the order, that is all.

Originally Posted by Rightglory
But all men will arise at that moment. Rev 20:13 gives the same story
Christ is the firstborn of the dead, not the elect or any other group.

your response....

Why the distinction?
after that those who are Christ's
at His coming,
Matt. 25:46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Why would not Christ make the distinction. After all, it is why He died and saved mankind in order to have many believe. It is why we were created, to be in communion with God. So, God raises first the buried that are His, then transforms those still living that are His, then the rest of humanity. Do you think God is wrong for doing that?

Clearly, Christ is the firstborn of the elect. The dead who are classified as the wicked will not enjoy the same kind of resurrection He experienced.

It never states that He is the firstborn of the elect. It always states He is the firstborn of the dead.

The wicked dead will have the very same kind of resurrection as any other dead person. All will be raised immortal, and all will be raised incorruptible. There can be no other way, since Christ assumed our human natures to be able to raise them to life. Rom 5:18-19, I Cor 15:22, John 6:39 all emphatically state that all the dead will be raised because Christ was raised from the dead.

If Christ did not raise the dead, then Christ is not risen. I Cor 15:13-16. There is NEVER a distinction over who will be resurrected, other than all of humanity.

As I said above, the life imbued onto the wicked will be different from the life imbued onto the righteous

the life is exactly the same. But how they will live that life is quite different. YOu will have those IN Christ living with God, those who rejected God, will be living spiritually apart from God. Their physical existance is exactly the same. They are all human beings. All will have a glorified human existance of soul and body.

No, it means they will experience a kind of resurrection.

They will experience a spiritual difference as I explained above but their physical existance will be the same. We are after all the same in essence. All human beings were created in God's Image. That never changes.

They will not be eternal.
They will not even share in God's immortality.
They will not put on immortality.

they will be eternal, that is life forever, without end. They will also be immortal. Man cannot exist as a mortal in hell or heaven. He of necessity will be immortal and incorruptible. Meaning He cannot die.

But it says those who are Christ's.That indicates distinction.

In that one instance because Paul is speaking to believers about believers. There is no need to speak of all the others. What it speaks about is the order of who will be resurrected.`

1 Cor. 15:22 does have something to do with believers.

only because they are part of humanity. But the verse does not make any distinctions whatsoever. It compares the First Adam, with the Second Adam. It compares the fall, all die due to Adams Condemnation to death, and all will be raised by Christ.

Raised by Christ because He is the Incarnate Christ. He assumed our human natures and raised them to life. John 6:39.

None of us as human beings are any different in our essence. We are all consubstantial with each other which is why death could be imparted through our natures as was Life by Christ's resurrection.

Originally Posted by Rightglory
You cannot have choice, unless Christ reverses the fall first. It is why He was needed.

God could not have a relationship with any man as long as man was dead, mortal. What good would it do God to simply have some earthly relationship with man and man would die and cease to exist after that mortal death?

Your response....

Choice is given to all in varying degrees and measure of time. You mean I cannot have a choice in coming to Christ.

If Christ was NOT Incarnate, did not assume our human natures to raise them to life, Yes, it would be worthless for you to have a choice. What good is a choice to a dead mortal being. YOu would simply die and cease to exist if Christ did not reverse the fall. This is exactly what I Cor 15:13-19 is stating.

Originally Posted by Rightglory
In other words, If man does not recieve life, then there can be no relationship spiritually either. This is what I Cor 15:19 is saying. If the dead are not raised, then our faith is vain. If you don't have an eternal existance, all the faith in the world is not going to do you any good.

Your response....

That is not what it is saying.
1 Cor. 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

is precisely what it is saying. Faith is worthless, you would still be under the condemnation of Adam, you would still die a mortal death and it would be final. There is no eternal existance without Christ being raised.

Your faith is worthless (our faith is vain) = still in your sins
We do not follow God because we need an eternal existence to have a relationship with God.

NO, it is not about you. It is about God. The condemnation of death through Adam negated the whole purpose of God creating human beings. God could no longer have an eternal relatioship with a Creature whose purpose was just that.

We follow God because we have hope in Him, that He can deliver us from sin, whether in this life or life after death.

Christ has already delievered you from the bondage to death and sin. We follow Christ because we desire to have a relationship with Him as He does with us, now and for an eternity.

 

[Hillsage]

Well, "kletos" is more closely connected to "summoned" -- essentially you're being ordered up. eklektos is picked, or chosen.

Mikey, I've read enough of you to know you have some knowledge of Greek which I don't claim to have, and I respect that. But what is your reference to refute Strong's definition of "Kletos" as "Saints"?

I might add that Bauer, Arndt, Ginrich which I'm sure you're familiar with, also agree that this word 'kletos' in Matt 24:14 means "SAINTS that are called" and not "called to be saints"

So the distinction made is between people being summoned to Christ -- the gospel is indeed a summons to response -- and those who are chosen for this favor.

"SUMMONED": I believe the definition you give for KLETOS as a summons is more consistent with the Greek word KALEO.

ROM 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called/kaleo: and whom he called/kaleo, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

2564 kaleo: to "call" (prop. aloud, but used in a variety of applications, dir. or otherwise)

"CHOSEN": And the definition you give ekletos as to being 'picked/chosen' seems more consistent with the word 'eklegomai'.

EPH 1:4 According as he hath chosen/eklegomai us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

1586 eklegomai: to "select"

The variations and nuances of Greek are many and I am interested in your response.

 

[AndOne]

 

[Jpark]

Christ has already delievered you from the bondage to death and sin. We follow Christ because we desire to have a relationship with Him as He does with us, now and for an eternity.

You still sin though, am I not correct?

We look to God so He can deliver us from sin and from a life of sin and from living a life of sin in this life.

1 Cor. 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

your faith is worthless = you are still in your sins

and if Christ has not been raised, you are still in your sins.

The born again state brings enablement (1 Peter 1:22-23) as well as Jesus' intervention (1 John 5:18). We just haven't see it because very few people know about it.

As for the resurrection,

John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

There is distinction.

 

[Rightglory]

You still sin though, am I not correct?

Yes, but I can choose not to be in bondage to sin. I can choose not to sin.

We look to God so He can deliver us from sin and from a life of sin and from living a life of sin in this life.

But that is what the choice is all about. Sin is actually a test of our faith, of our being faithful to His commandments. To deny oneself and to follow Him. He is not delivering you from sin outside of your choice. A choice not to be a slave to sin any longer.

1 Cor. 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

your faith is worthless = you are still in your sins

and if Christ has not been raised, you are still in your sins.

The born again state brings enablement (1 Peter 1:22-23) as well as Jesus' intervention (1 John 5:18). We just haven't see it because very few people know about it.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say here. The statements above is speaking of Christ's work on the Cross and His resurrection. If Christ is not raised, or resurrected, then we are still under the condemnation of Adam and still in bondage to death and sin. That is all that it means.

As for the resurrection,

John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

There is distinction.

Not really. It is the very same resurrection. But when the Bible uses the term,"eternal life" is is generally refering to being with Christ in eternity. That is the life, the eternal life in John 5:29 is a spiritual life. The resurrection unto judgement is assigning the second death, or spiritual separation to those that have rejected Christ.

However, the resurrection, that is the event of man being raised is precisely the same for everyone. There is no distinction. We are all human beings. We shall all be raised in a twinkling of an eye. It is a physical life. A physical eternal existance.

 

[Jpark]

Not really. It is the very same resurrection. But when the Bible uses the term,"eternal life" is is generally refering to being with Christ in eternity. That is the life, the eternal life in John 5:29 is a spiritual life. The resurrection unto judgement is assigning the second death, or spiritual separation to those that have rejected Christ.

However, the resurrection, that is the event of man being raised is precisely the same for everyone. There is no distinction. We are all human beings. We shall all be raised in a twinkling of an eye. It is a physical life. A physical eternal existance.

Nope, not the same resurrection. It did not say resurrection to life and resurrection to judgment. It said resurrection of life and resurrection of judgment. There is only one resurrection of life.

Eternal life = with Jesus (1 John 1:2, 1 John 5:11 this life is in His Son, John 15).
Without Jesus = no eternal life (John 15:6)

Thus, the resurrection that the wicked will experience cannot be the same resurrection.

Or are the wicked the connected branches?

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.

John 15:6 indicates that the wicked are the cut off branches.

 

[Rightglory]

Jpark,

Nope, not the same resurrection. It did not say resurrection to life and resurrection to judgment. It said resurrection of life and resurrection of judgment. There is only one resurrection of life.

I don't see the distinction you are trying to make. If you are correct, then Christ was not Incarnated. If you are correct, then Christ did not rise from the dead.
Furthermore, if you are correct, then what form of human being are those that have this resurrection of judgement? How did they even become resurrected? How did they overcome the condemnation of Adam, namely, physical death?

Eternal life = with Jesus (1 John 1:2, 1 John 5:11 this life is in His Son, John 15).
Without Jesus = no eternal life (John 15:6)

I John 1:2 is not about spiritual life, It is refering to Christ's physical existance. His Incarnation and resurrection.

I John 5:11 this is refering to the spiritual existance IN Christ. The word "life" is not physical but spiritual.

John 15 is about our relationship with Christ. That is about spiritual life, the phrase, eternal life meaning WITH Christ.

Thus, the resurrection that the wicked will experience cannot be the same resurrection.

You are making the result of the resurrection the actual event of resurrection. The actual event of being raised from the dead will be precisely the same for every human being. This is the meaning of Rom 5:18, I Cor 15:22,

Or are the wicked the connected branches?
John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
John 15:6 indicates that the wicked are the cut off branches.

The verses and your statments confirm that you are equating the result of the resurrection with the actual resurrection.

the fact of the matter, If Christ was Incarnated, that is, He took on our human nature and raised it, John 6:39, gave us an eternal physical existance I Cor 15:22, Rom 5:18, then all human beings are the same. What we are spiritually has nothing to do with our physical resurrection.

If you believe as you are at present, then you have some other monsterous theological problems to overcome.

First, you have man being created and existing in two distinct forms.
Secondly, the fall is limited to only some humans, those that need life because they were condemned through Adam.
Christ was not Incarnated, that is assumed our human natues since you have posited that there are at least two different forms of human nature, or at least, only Incarnated the form that needed life, those condemned through Adam.

And then for my edification, who exists in hell? What kind of human being have you made him?

 

[Jpark]

If you are correct, then Christ was not Incarnated. If you are correct, then Christ did not rise from the dead.

I don't see how you came to that conclusion.

Furthermore, if you are correct, then what form of human being are those that have this resurrection of judgement?

A special physical body.

If you believe as you are at present, then you have some other monsterous theological problems to overcome.

First, you have man being created and existing in two distinct forms.

Secondly, the fall is limited to only some humans, those that need life because they were condemned through Adam.

Christ was not Incarnated, that is assumed our human natues since you have posited that there are at least two different forms of human nature, or at least, only Incarnated the form that needed life, those condemned through Adam.

And then for my edification, who exists in hell? What kind of human being have you made him?

Concerning the first, can I have the reference in which I indicated so?



Concerning the second,

1 Cor. 15:22-23 For as in Adam all die [everyone dies], so also in Christ all will be made alive [everyone will be resurrected]. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits [Christ was the first to be resurrected], after that those who are Christ's at His coming,

Verse 22 merely says that everyone will experience a resurrection. It does not clarify, specify concerning the kind of resurrection.
Verse 23 does not mention the wicked.

So evidently, there is distinction.

Or all people will be Christ's at His coming and there will be no opposition (2 Thess. 1:7-9).



Concerning the third, can you clarify?

And concerning the fourth, what do you mean by that?

 

[Rightglory]

Jpark,

Originally Posted by Rightglory
If you are correct, then Christ was not Incarnated. If you are correct, then Christ did not rise from the dead.

Your response.....

I don't see how you came to that conclusion.

The salvation of man is related to the fall. That is what man fell from is to what we needed to be saved to. Man lost life, an eternal existance due to the condemnation of death to Adam. That death was passed through our human nature. That is the purpose of Christ coming in the first place, to correct the fall. Christ came as the Incarnated Christ. Incarnation meaning He became man in His humanity. He assumed our human natures. We are all consubstantial with each other. We are all of the same essence. He by His resurrection then raised all of humanity by His own resurrection. He gave life to the world, not just to mankind.

Because Christ assumed our human nature, your view is a contradiction of the Incarnation. If there is actually a different resurrection for the unjust as to the just, or believers and unbelievers, then Christ ONLY assumed a human nature particular to believers.

In other words there exists in your theology two distinct human natures. One that He assumed, the other he did not.

If all the dead do not rise from the dead, then Christ is not risen. Scripture does not ever differentiate or imply that only believers will be raised from the dead. It is all or nothing. So if you posit that Christ only rose for some, He surely was not Incarnated as man, nor could He have risen since all the dead are not raised.

You do posit that the unjust are resurrected, but can you now explain just how they might be resurrected since it was not by Christ's resurrection. Whatever form you develop why could it not have been done for believers as well? Why did Christ need to come and to come as man in your view?

Originally Posted by Rightglory
Furthermore, if you are correct, then what form of human being are those that have this resurrection of judgement?

Your response....

A special physical body.

and where in scripture is this special body described? How was this special body created in the first place? And can we tell which is which as we exist in this world. and again, how is he actually resurrected? Did he lose something different in the fall than other human beings. In other words, what is your connection to the fall, the purpose of Christ, and the effective salvation He gave to man.

Concerning the first, can I have the reference in which I indicated so?

You indicated before and in this post already that there are two distinct kinds of resurrections. One for believers and one for unbelievers. By theological defintion of the Incarnation of Christ that means two different human natues exist. Unless you also posit that Christ assumed two distinct kinds of human natures so that by assuming each, He can raise each at the resurrection because He rose from the dead with those human natures.

Concerning the second,
1 Cor. 15:22-23 For as in Adam all die [everyone dies], so also in Christ all will be made alive [everyone will be resurrected]. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits [Christ was the first to be resurrected], after that those who are Christ's at His coming,

here you are actually contradicting yourself. This is exactly what scripture is saying. All shall be raised by Christ because all fell, died due to Adam. There is no distinction here that you made relative to a resurrection for beleivers and another for the unjust. That there are two resurrections.

Verse 22 merely says that everyone will experience a resurrection. It does not clarify, specify concerning the kind of resurrection.
Verse 23 does not mention the wicked.

First, Yes, everyone because we are all human beings of the same essence, the same essence that Christ assumed in His Incarnation. He rasied our mortal bodies to immortal ones. Now that happens in the eschotan, but that was the purpose of Christ coming to give life to the world, not just mankind. Man lost life, an eternal existance.

That is what the condemnation of Adam is, death, dust to dust. Man became mortal. Christ is the only solution by His Incarnation.

There is never a mention of kind of resurrection, except that all the dead will be raised, immortal, incorruptible. We will exist again as human beings, the way we were created, body and soul.

The wicked are not mentioned because it makes no difference. Verses 13-19 clearly states the dead. It never differentiates a speical group or a limited number. John 6:39 is even more precise. He assumed our human natures so that He would not lose a single one. He would raise it (our human nature) in the last day.

Or all people will be Christ's at His coming and there will be no opposition (2 Thess. 1:7-9).

The resurrection is the same event for all of humanity, but there will be a difference as to result of that resurrection. Some will be with Christ, the others will be apart from Christ.

Christ was not Incarnated, that is assumed our human natues since you have posited that there are at least two different forms of human nature, or at least, only Incarnated the form that needed life, those condemned through Adam.
Your response....
Concerning the third, can you clarify?

I hope I already have in this post, but if you need more explanation I will do so.

And then for my edification, who exists in hell? What kind of human being have you made him?

Your response...

And concerning the fourth, what do you mean by that?

You have already given part of your answer in your response above. "A special body". But why the need for a special body?

Granted I am assuming that you also hold that we will be immortal, incorruptible, which is what glorification means. We don't exist as mortals in eternity or precisely as we exist on this earth with our fallen nature. That was the whole purpose of Christ coming to redeem us from the condemnation of Adam, death. To do this He became man. Assumed our human nature, a fallen, mortal nature for the express purpose to raise it from death. To change us from mortal to immortal. Man needed an eternal existance if God was going to have any kind of relationship with His most prized creature, man. A creature that bore His Image.

At this point I'm not even sure that you believe that Christ raised anyone from the dead. From what you are saying, Christ arose from the dead, He as first. But His actual resurrection has no effect upon humanity. That at the resurrection, Christ is simply raising believers by some other means which you have not yet specified. Then by some other power, maybe same power, raises unbelivers to give them a different body than believers. Or at minimum, Christ is raising the dead, but not because of His own resurrection or as a effect of His own resurrection.

Possibly you need to explain what you understand of the Incarnation. If Christ did not actually raise humanity THROUGH His resurrection, then why in your view did He need to be Incarnated as man since He effected no change in man?