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Does God create handicaps

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John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
 
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Deut 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

This is simply a reflection that one learns much from one's father, a problem as most fathers are sinners ... it does not mean one is responsible for one's father's sins, each has his own conscience to God of Love [so much for the nonsense of 'original sin' !]...

Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
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Deut 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

This is simply a reflection that one learns much from one's father, a problem as most fathers are sinners ... it does not mean one is responsible for one's father's sins, each has his own conscience to God of Love [so much for the nonsense of 'original sin' !]...

Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

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If you noticed by now, the discussions are simply going around in circles.

Funtimes keep quoting the same verses over and over, gets refuted over and over, but learning not one bit despite we all seem to be agreeing in the same context.

We are clearly not welcome here... ...While Jesus is persistent with the Truth, He is not that obsessively persistent to stalk and torture anyone with the Truth until they believe. There are times, Jesus simply stopped if no one would listen and simply moved on to more "fertile" ground.
 
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If you noticed by now, the discussions are simply going around in circles.

Funtimes keep quoting the same verses over and over, gets refuted over and over, but learning not one bit despite we all seem to be agreeing in the same context.

We are clearly not welcome here... ...While Jesus is persistent with the Truth, He is not that obsessively persistent to stalk and torture anyone with the Truth until they believe. There are times, Jesus simply stopped if no one would listen and simply moved on to more "fertile" ground.

Oh. :thumbsup:
 
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My opinion is no.

I am a firm believer in free will.

Because of free will, someone makes a choice that can echo through the ages. Take for example incest:

A brother and sister mate, have offspring, and their DNA is corrupted because of the related bloodlines. That DNA strand will forever be passed down through descendants, and has long been proven to cause defects. Someone who is blind, deaf, etc. that is born today, could be suffering because of a choice made long ago, somewhere back in their ancestry.

Drugs and alcohol also have similar affects.
Logic, go figure ;)
Good answer.

In John 5 Jesus healed a paralyzed man who had been disabled for thirty-eight years. When Jesus found the man later at the temple, He said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you" (John 5: 14). The text infers, that the man's disability was caused by personal sin. We can be sure about the clear meaning of Christ's warning; namely, that if he continued sinning, he would contract a condition worse than his lameness. Here, as a future possibility, Jesus definitely and specifically connected personal sin in this man's life with a disability.
Which is right in line with what PA just said.
So who tempts one to sin?
And who "kills, steals, and destroys"?


There cases of God's direct intervention causing such conditions as blindness in the Syrian troops (2 Kings 6:18), in Saul of Tarsus (Acts 9:8), in Elymas the sorcerer (Acts 13:11); and in the inability to speak as with Ezekiel (Ezekiel 3:26, 24:27,33:22), Daniel (Daniel 10:15), and Zechariah, father of John the Baptist (Luke 1:20).
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Very cool stories!
We belong to HIM,
frankly, I trust Him to do as He
pleases with me, HIS property.

All of these years and He's been good to me.
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