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Does getting justice help?

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Does it help to seek and maybe get justice by filing charges, complaints, or civil lawsuits? Does it help ease the feeling of being helpless and vulnerable and a victim? Does it help stop the flashbacks and let you sleep? Does it help you stop directing your anger toward yourself? Does it help stop the binge eating, trying to stuff the emotions down and find comfort in food? Or, is it better to try to put it in the past?

If you filed charges, or a complaint, or a civil lawsuit, do you regret it or did it help you heal? Did it keep you from forgiving and moving on with your life? Would you do it again?

What if seeking justice could prevent it from happening to someone else?
 

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Nobody has replied to this yet, so I will reply, even though I never brought my abusers to public justice. The statute of limitations had expired before I was empowered enough to do so.

I have confronted one of my abusers and told him exactly what his actions did to me and the results that I have had to live with. I also told him what I would do if he ever offended again.

I can tell you that it was liberating. It took me quite a bit further along the path of healing to be able to do it. I can only imagine that it would be even better to see them receive judicial justice.

I have heard that seeking justice is like having it happen all over again, but I think it would be worth it. I already have relived it thousands of times anyway. I would suggest that you go ahead and seek justice, especially if the person might offend again.
 
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I haven't ever used the criminal justice system to seek justice for myself, (issues of evidence and proof, and now the main perp has passed away) but I have done some confronting. That was very helpful. Other perps I haven't confronted, either because I don't consider them safe enough to, or because I don't see that it will benefit either them or me. That may yet come, who knows?

Warning, I am a lawyer so I am passionate about justice, and this is gonna be long :)

My understanding of justice is that the criminal or civil systems that we have here are second best in terms of their ability to deliver justice (and that's even if they work and do deliver a guilty verdict or a successful lawsuit).

Justice is not about punishment. It is about restoration. It is about getting your life back, putting things right. Only God can fully deliver that, so while I would have loved the vindication of the legal system, and would have had a measure of satisfaction from it, the most healing thing for me has been to sit and wonder at how far I have come, and to see the things that I lost being restored to me.

I am not scared to breathe now, I don't have to walk on eggshells, I get to make choices, have opinions, live my life, be myself. People are not trying to kill me, either directly or through trying to stop me being myself. I am not an object and can even be in relationships. All of that is part of my restoration, and hence, in a very real sense it is part of me "getting justice". I am getting my life. My whole future is part of getting justice. It's not a one time deal.

There is a point at which comparison is quite meaningless, but even taking that into account, my life is far richer than that of my two main (still alive) perps. They are broken people who have harmed the ones they love, and they have to live with that. I don't agree with much that he said, but Socrates once said "it is far better to suffer injustice than to commit it" or something like that. I am not suggesting that God has wrecked their lives as a punishment. Not at all. I think it breaks his heart. We were all created to be more than victims, and more than perps. Their sin has messed with their lives and their potential, though.

I know there is plenty of research about what a harrowing experience going through the criminal justice system can be. I would think long and hard about it, if I were raped again now. BUT I would report it. I believe in the justice system even though it is far far far from perfect and hasn't "helped" me yet. It is important that it works as well as it can, and reporting needs to happen for that reason too. There are also huge strides forward in terms of training personnel and reforming court processes to make it easier for complainants, at least here in Australia. And being a part of that system I am in a stronger place to work within it than some others.

But, I wouldn't tell anyone that they have to report. It can do a lot to deal with the shame, and to bring vindication and help the general healing process. But it can also be very damaging - especially if you are not ready for the defence lawyers tactics. But courts are getting slowly better in that regard too.

I agree too, that reliving it doesn't only happen because of court experiences. Heck I relive my experiences most days to a degree, especially if I am having a counselling appointment; and other things can remind me at times too. Court can be a way to fight back and regain power. I would also be happy to be traumatised in court if it will make it harder for that person to reoffend against someone else; and taking that stand is empowering too, regardless of the verdict.

Compensation (either from the state or a lawsuit) can help pay for therapy and make ends meet for those who can't work due to trauma. There are many advantages to using the legal system, but like anything it's a balancing act. I would advocate it, but not without a really good support system in place.

Lilygrace
 
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Does it help to seek and maybe get justice by filing charges, complaints, or civil lawsuits? Does it help ease the feeling of being helpless and vulnerable and a victim? Does it help stop the flashbacks and let you sleep? Does it help you stop directing your anger toward yourself? Does it help stop the binge eating, trying to stuff the emotions down and find comfort in food? Or, is it better to try to put it in the past?

If you filed charges, or a complaint, or a civil lawsuit, do you regret it or did it help you heal? Did it keep you from forgiving and moving on with your life? Would you do it again?

What if seeking justice could prevent it from happening to someone else?
Hey Wildwood,

they are all very good questions which i think that only we can answer for ourselves and apply to our own situations ... I didn't press charges because i haven't been strong enough to do so but i did speak out and let people in our church know his sick little habit with under age girls which resulted him being banned from the church.

I found out later what he'd done to 2 other girls at the church and I'm glad i found the strength to tell the board members at the church.

In the search for justice i guess you have to work out what does justice mean - justice isn't going to give you back your life, it can't change what happened and the court system is disgusting ( sorry lilygrace) and do u have the strength / support to go through seeing him in court and dealing with the backlash and vindication and also what if he gets found not guilty ?

Lily you have made some awesome points :D, good luck to all of you

- Shaz
 
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Hi,
I believe that having them brought to justice would help you to not feel
so helpless to do anything in the situation. You're not helpless, you can have those responsible for your
injustice receive what they should.
Bless You, I hope you know you're not helpless or at fault.
Chuck.:hug:
 
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Tough question. And I think it is one that only you can make for yourself. I waited 11 months after being raped before filing a police report. I waited because everyone told me I had to make a report and the last thing I wanted was for someone to tell me what to do. I finally made the report because I thought it would somehow make it go away and make it better. For me, it was anticlimatic. Nothing changed. But I do know some who did feel better afterwards and felt some of the weight of the situation being lifted off their shoulders.

If it is something you are considering doing, it might be something to go ahead and go through with. What I did was call the police and ask them what the statute of limitations was on rape. I then told them I would like to make a report. They sent an officer to my house (it was a couple of hours later that the officer arrived) and he asked for my story. They did ask if I would feel more comfortable if they sent a female officer or if I would rather go into the station to file the report. I just wanted to get it over with and said whichever would be quickest was what I wanted. The officer wrote down what I said in a notebook and asked a few questions. After I was finished sharing what happened, I was given some papers with a report number and then some with the station's counselor that specilized in sexual assault should I not have a therapist I felt comfortable speaking to about it. After a while, they called and asked me what I wanted to do next. I was given several options and the officer was very helpful in describing to me what each option meant and what would be required for me to do. I went with just leaving it as a report and not doing anything else. But with having filed a report, it will always be on his record that he was a suspect in a rape.

I hope this was a helpful response, but if you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask.
 
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This is a tough question. I was assaulted by several people in my past, but I only reported three of them and they were family members and the intent to report for me was not to have them punished but just to have the abuse stop because they were family I was not sure how I felt about them being punished even though what they were doing was wrong, also I knew the deep persecution that I would receive from other members of my family, if in fact these three were punished.

For these reasons, and because of the utmost shame that I felt having to tell so many people everything that happened to me, I never told about EVERYTHING that those three did to me and because I only reported limited incidences they were not punished to the full effect that they would have been had I reported everything. One of them did not receive punishment at all, one received in home monitoring, probation, counseling, and a restraining order, and the other only received a restraining order that only lasted a year and had to continue with counseling that he was already in.

It did feel good in the end that they did receive some punishment despite the fact that most of my family no longer speaks to me, but I do feel guilty about not reporting everything now, because part of me wonders how many other women they could have possibly done this to because they were not placed in jail (they would have been had I reported it all), and the minimal punishment they did receive deterred me from wanting to report others who have assaulted me because I thought it would have been too much to put myself through (talking to so many people about the assaults) with the possibility of little or no punishment like the others received even if I did tell the police everything about these men.

I think if I did report everything that happened to me with everyone, maybe it would have helped me to feel less guilty about having these men out there still possibly offending, but I know that in the end they will face the ultimate judgement from the Lord, so that does provide me with some peace.
 
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I criminally prosecuted the man who molested my child. He pled guilty to two felony charges.
The good things were that we have 2 restraining orders, he is not allowed around any child under 18 without supervision. he can't date people with kids without consent,from his PO he can't have sex without consent from his PO. He is not allowed near where I live or my family or any of their work places.
The minus side of this is that our court system is so overcrowded a man who gets 2 felony convictions for crimes against a child who was 11 and 12, gets 5 years probation and that is all.

Unfair, not really justice at all
 
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I criminally prosecuted the man who molested my child. He pled guilty to two felony charges.
The good things were that we have 2 restraining orders, he is not allowed around any child under 18 without supervision. he can't date people with kids without consent,from his PO he can't have sex without consent from his PO. He is not allowed near where I live or my family or any of their work places.
The minus side of this is that our court system is so overcrowded a man who gets 2 felony convictions for crimes against a child who was 11 and 12, gets 5 years probation and that is all.

Unfair, not really justice at all
But at least it is on record and the next time (hopefully not) but if there is a next time, then maybe they can throw the book at him!
 
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But at least it is on record and the next time (hopefully not) but if there is a next time, then maybe they can throw the book at him!
.....and that's one of the biggest reasons I suppose, that people don't report things. What's the use? But you know, when small children are envolved, it seems to me that community's are getting more involved...I hope I'm right. AM I????
 
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Not really. The man who hurt my child was my exhusband. I had to wait over a year to divorce him so it did not mess up the criminal proceedings. He pled guilty admitted it all, and got 5 years probation. He would wait until she was asleep and go into her room at night and force himself on her. He did not rape her or penetrate her, but forcefully did things to her. Two felonies!!
 
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Not really. The man who hurt my child was my exhusband. I had to wait over a year to divorce him so it did not mess up the criminal proceedings. He pled guilty admitted it all, and got 5 years probation. He would wait until she was asleep and go into her room at night and force himself on her. He did not rape her or penetrate her, but forcefully did things to her. Two felonies!!
I'm so sorry to hear that. How is your little girl? And how are you? I would think that it would be harder to deal with something like that than what I went thru. I can't imagine, but my heart aches for the little ones that go thru something like that...and then the parent(s) that are left to pick up the pieces.
 
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Does it help to seek and maybe get justice by filing charges, complaints, or civil lawsuits? Does it help ease the feeling of being helpless and vulnerable and a victim? Does it help stop the flashbacks and let you sleep? Does it help you stop directing your anger toward yourself? Does it help stop the binge eating, trying to stuff the emotions down and find comfort in food? Or, is it better to try to put it in the past?

If you filed charges, or a complaint, or a civil lawsuit, do you regret it or did it help you heal? Did it keep you from forgiving and moving on with your life? Would you do it again?

What if seeking justice could prevent it from happening to someone else?
Wildwood...I'll be praying that you find peace about it all. XXXOOO
 
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