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Depends on what someone perceives as a problem.If our will is free, then there will be no problem.
Doesn´t follow.If our will is not free, then we can not make it free unless we die. If we died, we are not free either. So, if our will is not free, then the "not free" does not mean anything.
What is it with you and the "problems"? I wasn´t discussing problems.So, there is not a problem either.
What?Example, do you want your son have free will? If you do, then don't give him a birth.
Maybe that´s your question. It´s not the question of this thread.So, what is the question? The question is: Do you WANT be free or not.
But if we are determined are we really influencing the future any more than a rock?
I don't think I said it was outside my control, but the factors that lead to me picking up the pen are outside my control.
I might pick up a pen for the purpose of writing this example, but the reason I picked it up is because I feel like I am lying if I don't actually pick up a pen while writing this. I feel like I am lying because when I was younger I was taught that lying is always bad, and this has become part of my subconscious. I choose not to fight against this inclination to pick up a pen because I don't feel a strong enough feeling of rebellion. Etc...
The example could go on forever until every time I acted has been explained since my birth.
I make the choice. I just wasn't free to make any other choice. I was always going to make that choice considering my prior state of mind and the stimuli around me.
Firstly, I don't think we should try to separate ourselves too far from animals. Obviously we are different, but other apes aren't so different from us. In fact the difference between a human and a chimpanzee probably isn't much, if any, bigger than the difference between a child and an adult human.
Secondly, even if the mind isn't determined by the physics of nature, that doesn't mean we are free. The mind must still work by rules, and those rules will still determine it. If you decide you decide for a reason, and that reason will ultimately be your determination. (I say hoping I have used that word correctly).
Humans are different from animals, but they still share certain characteristics. For example, neither has free will.We are different from animals, but we aren't? im not sure what you're trying to say here. animals don't have consciousness but are the same as us with regard to physical characteristics like explained in darwinism? is that is?
There are good reasons to believe that the mind is not separate from the body, hence is not an exception to the rules of nature.I'm sorry to bring up metaphysics and the mind in your thread but its really interesting to discuss. substance dualism is the view that the mind is separate from the body and exists outside of natural law of physics, the body is subject to the laws of physics and nature etc. thats just my view on the relationship of mind body problem and location of the mind.
What she meant, if I understood her correctly, was that even if we accept the notion that the mind is somehow except from the rules of nature (for which we have no reason), there's still no reason to think that it doesn't abide to its own rules, which would ultimately make the mind deterministic without having it abide to the rules of nature.I like your points on the mind working by rules could you write more on that.
The neurotransmitters aren't the rules, rather the rules of the mind would be determined by the rules of nature, the materials of your brain (which include the neurotransmitters) and the way your brain is built.How do the rules of the mind interact with the body? what are they? who sends the rules to the mind? where would you locate these rules? I just thought then that these rules you talk about, they could be the neuron transmitters, and activities in the brain which would mean that there is no mind and the mind is just a part of the brain which is more of a physical determinism i think
Depends on what someone perceives as a problem.
Yet, the original question was not for problems, anyway. It was a question whether we think our will is free.
Doesn´t follow.
What is it with you and the "problems"? I wasn´t discussing problems.
What?
Maybe that´s your question. It´s not the question of this thread.
The question in the OP is a shallow one. My "answer" addressed the real question.
Well a rock is inanimate, we aren't. Determinism only means future occurences happen because past circumstances, and I don't think that means our involvement in any circumstanes, with some exceptions of course, precludes any influence on our part.But if we are determined are we really influencing the future any more than a rock?
The factors that led to your decision might be outside your control, but how you react to them is notI don't think I said it was outside my control, but the factors that lead to me picking up the pen are outside my control.
.I might pick up a pen for the purpose of writing this example, but the reason I picked it up is because I feel like I am lying if I don't actually pick up a pen while writing this. I feel like I am lying because when I was younger I was taught that lying is always bad, and this has become part of my subconscious. I choose not to fight against this inclination to pick up a pen because I don't feel a strong enough feeling of rebellion. Etc...
The example could go on forever until every time I acted has been explained since my birth.
In what way is the way the brain works predetermined? There could have been a million other outcomes; she could have chosen to leave the pen alone or pick up another oneIf she picks up a pen, even if she seemingly does it at random, it's because of how her brain is wired, which is predetermined. I wouldn't say that's outside her control, just that there could not have been another outcome.
no your "answer" only answered a question not asked by anyone but yourself, but it didn't answer the OP's Question.
The factors that led to your decision might be outside your control, but how you react to them is not
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I doubt you think of lying and being dishonest every time you pick up a pen. Even if you do something out of habit, as long as you have the option to do something else, you have freewill.
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Because you have no reason to believe otherwise.Have you the option to do something else? Only one thing happens every time we "make a choice." How can we tell we really would have been able to do something else?
We are different from animals, but we aren't? im not sure what you're trying to say here. animals don't have consciousness but are the same as us with regard to physical characteristics like explained in darwinism? is that is?
I'm sorry to bring up metaphysics and the mind in your thread but its really interesting to discuss. substance dualism is the view that the mind is separate from the body and exists outside of natural law of physics, the body is subject to the laws of physics and nature etc. thats just my view on the relationship of mind body problem and location of the mind.
I like your points on the mind working by rules could you write more on that. How do the rules of the mind interact with the body? what are they? who sends the rules to the mind? where would you locate these rules?
I just thought then that these rules you talk about, they could be the neuron transmitters, and activities in the brain which would mean that there is no mind and the mind is just a part of the brain which is more of a physical determinism i think
no your "answer" only answered a question not asked by anyone but yourself, but it didn't answer the OP's Question.
Because you have no reason to believe otherwise.
K
Ah, so "free will" doesn´t mean that your will is free but that you are free to exercise your will. Shouldn´t we call that "free exercise" - for clarity´s sake?I chose to type in this thread, exercising my will to do so
Yea free will exists
Ah, so "free will" doesn´t mean that your will is free but that you are free to exercise your will. Shouldn´t we call that "free exercise" - for clarity´s sake?
I said "...free to exercise your will".If I am free, then what is not free? Is my will my will? Is my will part of me?
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