Does evolutionary thought propagate racism?

[john crawford]

because negroes did evolve from african apes... so what?

That's a Darwinian racial claim and a Darwinian racist statement. That's so what.

Anyone who proclaims that Darwin's racial theory of Negro descent from African apes is true is a racist. That's so what, too.

 

[Jet Black]

That's a Darwinian racial claim and a Darwinian racist statement. That's so what.

Anyone who proclaims that Darwin's racial theory of Negro descent from African apes is true is a racist. That's so what, too.

what is actually racist about claiming that they evolved from apes though?

 

[Data]

So why do you believe in Darwin's racial theories of Negro evolution from African apes?

Erm, dude, evolution says that ALL humans came from african apes. White people, black people, asians, europeans, americans, africans, we're all homo sapiens, all evolved from a common ancestor, and not one is "more advanced" than an other.

How exactly is this racist? Seriously, how is that racist?

The very definition of racism is:

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Tell us how this applies, or stop telling us that evolution is racist.

 

[ObbiQuiet]

Erm, dude, evolution says that ALL humans came from african apes. White people, black people, asians, europeans, americans, africans, we're all homo sapiens, all evolved from a common ancestor, and not one is "more advanced" than an other.

How exactly is this racist? Seriously, how is that racist?

You just can't see it's racist because you don't have the holy spirit.

 

[ThePhoenix]

because negroes did evolve from african apes... so what?

So did caucasians, which was your point, but it's going to get misinterpreted.

 

[Jet Black]

So did caucasians, which was your point, but it's going to get misinterpreted.

true, and to some degree it was, but even if we evolved from something else, would it actually matter? It is that which I am trying to get him to pick up - that from evolution it really does not matter what we evolved from, it is still not a racist statement.

 

[john crawford]

what is actually racist about claiming that they evolved from apes though?

The fact that white European Darwin and his white European evolutionary contemporaries and cohorts such as Wallace, Huxley and the German Haeckle thought that African negroes descended from apes and also the fact that his theory of African human descent from apes has never been scientifically proven.

Hence, it stands to reason that anyone who subscribes to Darwin's racial theories of human descent from African ape-men or promotes and teaches such racial theories must have adopted Darwin's own personal racial attitudes, theories and prejudices, and may be rightfully be considered a biological racist and bigot.

 

[Ben is Dead]

dont u read the posts??? when u mean African negroes do u actually mean all of mankind??? And we did not descend from apes though we are closely related. I said this in another post but apes diverged from humans ancestral line about 5-8 million years ago. And the people who wrote the bible were probably racists in todays standards-but that doesnt mean all Christians are racists.

 

[Jet Black]

The fact that white European Darwin and his white European evolutionary contemporaries and cohorts such as Wallace, Huxley and the German Haeckle thought that African negroes descended from apes and also the fact that his theory of African human descent from apes has never been scientifically proven.

what is actually racist about having descended from an ape though?

Hence, it stands to reason that anyone who subscribes to Darwin's racial theories of human descent from African ape-men or promotes and teaches such racial theories must have adopted Darwin's own personal racial attitudes, theories and prejudices, and may be rightfully be considered a biological racist and bigot.

I think this has to go down as the worst argument ever. WHy on earth would I, accepting common ancestry and evolution from apes, think that black people and culture are in some way inferior?

 

[john crawford]

Erm, dude, evolution says that ALL humans came from african apes. White people, black people, asians, europeans, americans, africans, we're all homo sapiens, all evolved from a common ancestor, and not one is "more advanced" than an other.

How exactly is this racist? Seriously, how is that racist?

The very definition of racism is:

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Tell us how this applies, or stop telling us that evolution is racist.

To say that ALL humans came from african apes is just another example of Darwinian racial theory.

To say that white people, black people, asians, europeans, americans, and africans are all homo sapiens is just another example of evolutionary racism based on the supposed evolution of species.

To say that all men and women evolved from a common ancestor without specifying that the common ancestor was named Adam implies that all humans are racially descended from black African apes that managed to mutate and modify themselves according to Darwin's theory of natural (sexual) selection.

It is racist to imply and maintain as Darwin did that the first human-like beings on earth looked like apes.

The very definition of racism is:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. (Darwinism)

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. (Darwin's theories are very racially prejudiced)

Darwin applied his personal beliefs of racial superiory and inferiority to his personal theory of human evolution in his book, 'Descent of Man.'

Stop telling us that Darwinian evolution is not racist. How else can you account for the evolutionary division of racial species like Homo sapiens and Homo erectus?

Darwin was a racially white supremacist.

He thought Negroes were the direct descendents of primitive and savage races which originally had evolved from apes.

While Darwin was above it all.

 

[Data]

You didn't answer how that is racist. At all.

 

[Ben is Dead]

No he didnt. Also, Homo erectus is the direct ancestor of Homo sapiens. So what in the world are u trying to prove than.

 

[monkenstick]

To say that white people, black people, asians, europeans, americans, and africans are all homo sapiens is just another example of evolutionary racism based on the supposed evolution of species.

To say that all men and women evolved from a common ancestor without specifying that the common ancestor was named Adam implies that all humans are racially descended from black African apes that managed to mutate and modify themselves according to Darwin's theory of natural (sexual) selection.

It is racist to imply and maintain as Darwin did that the first human-like beings on earth looked like apes.

no, it isn't
it isn't racist to point out that african americans generally have more melanin in their skins than caucasian counterparts, this is a simple statement of fact

I really don't see how changing to adam makes any difference (all the evidence suggests the first human came from africa, and that the most closely related peoples alive today are africans)

he very definition of racism is:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. (Darwinism)

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. (Darwin's theories are very racially prejudiced)

darwinism does not suggest differences in character or superiority/inferiority (this is simply your invention)
in fact it suggests that any differences in human subpopulations are likely to be adaptations to the environment in which they live

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

please show where the theory of evolution proscribes discrimination or prejudice based on race (another imagined fantasy on your part)

Stop telling us that Darwinian evolution is not racist. How else can you account for the evolutionary division of racial species like Homo sapiens and Homo erectus?

the fact that you think these are "racial" species betrays your misunderstanding of the theory of evolution. They are separate species, not subpopulations of the same species, hence the names

Darwin was a racially white supremacist.

He thought Negroes were the direct descendents of primitive and savage races which originally had evolved from apes.

could you provide quotes to support this assertion

 

[Jet Black]

To say that white people, black people, asians, europeans, americans, and africans are all homo sapiens is just another example of evolutionary racism based on the supposed evolution of species.

what is actually racist about it though?

To say that all men and women evolved from a common ancestor without specifying that the common ancestor was named Adam implies that all humans are racially descended from black African apes that managed to mutate and modify themselves according to Darwin's theory of natural (sexual) selection.

"modify themselves" is a pretty bad description.

It is racist to imply and maintain as Darwin did that the first human-like beings on earth looked like apes.

what is racist about saying that? The first human beings on earth looked like human beings, though their ancestors looked like apes. But what is racist about that?

The very definition of racism is:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others

I do not see how this is "darwinism" where is the superiority in evolution?

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

in what way is a common ancestry racist?

Stop telling us that Darwinian evolution is not racist. How else can you account for the evolutionary division of racial species like Homo sapiens and Homo erectus?

survival of the fittest. Homo sapiens were fitter in their environment than homo erectus and so on. Just because Grey squirrels have pushed red squirrels to the brink of ectinction in the UK does not mean that grey squirrels are "superior" and that red squirrels should be exterminated, it just means that grey squirrels are fitter in their environment. There is no prejudice involved, nor is there in evolution.

Darwin was a racially white supremacist.

but an extremely liberal one who opposed slavery though, so he was a darn site better than alot of other people at the time. It is called a sign of the times, because back then, everyone thought like that, although most were rather more harsh in their treatment of blacks and so on. Or are you going to tell us that all those God Fearing white christians in the deep south of the US were actually nice to their slaves?

He thought Negroes were the direct descendents of primitive and savage races which originally had evolved from apes.

he thought we all evolved from apes. again, there is no "racism" inherent in common descent. You can try to tar Darwin as much as you like, but this is just a supreme example of an ad hominem. Even if darwin ate babies for breakfast and drank the blood of virgins, it would still have no effect on evolutionary theory, which does not say anywhere that whites are superior to blacks.

 

[nyj]

To say that white people, black people, asians, europeans, americans, and africans are all homo sapiens is just another example of evolutionary racism based on the supposed evolution of species.

Eh?

 

[john crawford]

So did caucasians, which was your point, but it's going to get misinterpreted.

Caucasians didn't evolve from African apes. Jet Black said that Negroes did.

Caucasians are descendents of Shem, who in turn was descended from Noah.

 

[monkenstick]

Caucasians didn't evolve from African apes. Jet Black said that Negroes did.

no, apes and humans (including caucasians) evolved from a common ancestor

 

[john crawford]

dont u read the posts??? when u mean African negroes do u actually mean all of mankind??? And we did not descend from apes though we are closely related. I said this in another post but apes diverged from humans ancestral line about 5-8 million years ago. And the people who wrote the bible were probably racists in todays standards-but that doesnt mean all Christians are racists.

Pathetic. Do you know anything about Darwin's TOE as applied to human ancestry? Evolution is a progressive process. It goes from a to b to c then d.

Apes didn't evolve into Europeans, did they? No. they evolved into primordial humans who must have looked a lot like them, right? If not, then human evolution never happened.

Get with it. Read a book or two on human evolution.

 

[monkenstick]

Pathetic. Do you know anything about Darwin's TOE as applied to human ancestry? Evolution is a progressive process. It goes from a to b to c then d.

no, it isn't

its much more like
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Apes didn't evolve into Europeans, did they? No. they evolved into primordial humans who must have looked a lot like them, right? If not, then human evolution never happened.

no, apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor

europeans and africans evolved from a common human ancestor, although modern africans are likely more closely related to the common human ancestor than are europeans

 

[Ben is Dead]

Pathetic. Do you know anything about Darwin's TOE as applied to human ancestry? Evolution is a progressive process. It goes from a to b to c then d.

Apes didn't evolve into Europeans, did they? No. they evolved into primordial humans who must have looked a lot like them, right? If not, then human evolution never happened.

Get with it. Read a book or two on human evolution.

........................................................................................................Im in highschool but i obviously know more about evolution than u do. Ill repeat its a common misconception that humans evolved from apes or monkeys. We share a common ancestor which humans diverged from 5-8 million years ago forming 2 different lineages. One into gorillas and chimps and the other into hominids-are ancestors.
I never said evolution was not a progressive process. I say again u should read the posts first.