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Does Everyone Think That....

Joe's mental state is well known by the media?

  • Yes, right or left, the media has been well aware of Joe's decline.

    Votes: 15 93.8%
  • No, the right has been exaggerating and the left is in denial.

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Yes, but they are unaware to the extent and severity regardless of political bias.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, only Joe's inner circle and family+friends are aware of his mental state.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Joe's mental health was on display for all to see in what was arguably the worst performance during a presidential debate...ever. I can recall Ross Perot's debate and Joe's campaign team wishes he did that well.

Joe's mental fitness has been a subject of controversy since 2020 at least. During that campaign, Joe did pretty well whenever he wasn't required to speak off the top of his head. Aside from some rambling tales of Cornpop...Joe appeared to be a viable candidate and tales of his mental decline were overblown. During his first two years, despite multiple crises like Afghanistan and the border and inflation....Joe spent less time in front of the press than any other president. Early on, he made some mistakes talking about his past, he called out to a dead woman who was a former associate thinking she was in the crowd, he called Kamala the president and mentioned that he did as he was told.

Alone...I think any of these blunders could be dismissed. If you watch mainly left wing sources....they were dismissed if you saw them at all. If you watched any right wing sources....they started to paint a troubling picture.

Then his SOTU address went rather well with only a few hiccups...and it seemed like Joe was again, mostly mentally there....occasionally having a few gaffes. Then footage of him abroad began to surface on foreign media outlets and it was disastrous. Joe was being led around like a dog at the Westminster kennel show. He was walking to greet people 30 feet away, and would walk right past them as if he forgot what he was doing in a space of 10 seconds. He was forgetting the end of his speeches, then his sentences, then the exit off the stage. In Vietnam, he told the press he was going to bed, then was interrupted by smooth jazz, and handlers rushed to help him leave.

About 30% on either side of the political aisle will lie to themselves and believe any rhetoric their party tells them....but 60-70% of voters could see something was wrong, even if it wasn't spoken of much on the left and only speculated about on the right. Openly slandering Biden without evidence of dementia or alzheimer's was a risky proposal that would likely haunt the news outlet willing to try it.

Yet even after the debate....it appears that some outlets on the left are still pretending. It's jet lag, a cold, or bad moderation from CNN. I know these "journalists" have hours of footage they parse down to minutes for their stories. There's no doubt in my mind they were all well aware that Joe is mentally gone and has been for some time. MSNBC is the outlet that arguably acts as the Fox News for the left....carrying the Democratic Party's water no matter what. They've been pushing the idea that this was a rare one-off incident that isn't indicative of Joe's mental health.

However, before you believe that, consider what they said a day before the debate.


Some of what is said there is true. The live political debates are of little importance in evaluating the competency of a president. A president will have multiple aids and advisors who can help the president make decisions. This is true. A president though...still has to make those decisions. They will have to meet with tough foreign leaders and impress foreign allies. They will need to make difficult decisions about how to secure our future and at no point will anyone accept the answer "well my advisor told me to do that" when they fail or make a mistake. At the very least, we should want to see a president who can convincingly pretend to have the answers. A debate where others are answering for you isn't a debate....but it is a clue to just how dependent upon his staff Joe Biden is. The suggestions in that short video aired before the debate are made by someone who knows Joe doesn't have the brains anymore.

It indicates, to me, the press on both sides has known this for years. That's why they wanted Joe's competition behind bars or bankrupt. They wanted him removed from ballots. They wanted the voter to have no other choice...and they could continue with the gaslighting. The party and the media outlets competing for the attention of the left don't respect the intelligence of their audience.

That seems obvious to me though, and I'm curious about whether or not others believe that the media knew Joe was cuckoo for coco puffs.
 

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That seems obvious to me though, and I'm curious about whether or not others believe that the media knew Joe was cuckoo for coco puffs.
I do agree, Joe is on decline. Even some of my friends and coworkers say that, and they are left leaning.


By the way, Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs was a big commercial a few decades ago, this whole year, 2024 has gone cuckoo itself...
 
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Joe's mental health was on display for all to see in what was arguably the worst performance during a presidential debate...ever. I can recall Ross Perot's debate and Joe's campaign team wishes he did that well.

Joe's mental fitness has been a subject of controversy since 2020 at least. During that campaign, Joe did pretty well whenever he wasn't required to speak off the top of his head. Aside from some rambling tales of Cornpop...Joe appeared to be a viable candidate and tales of his mental decline were overblown. During his first two years, despite multiple crises like Afghanistan and the border and inflation....Joe spent less time in front of the press than any other president. Early on, he made some mistakes talking about his past, he called out to a dead woman who was a former associate thinking she was in the crowd, he called Kamala the president and mentioned that he did as he was told.

Alone...I think any of these blunders could be dismissed. If you watch mainly left wing sources....they were dismissed if you saw them at all. If you watched any right wing sources....they started to paint a troubling picture.

Then his SOTU address went rather well with only a few hiccups...and it seemed like Joe was again, mostly mentally there....occasionally having a few gaffes. Then footage of him abroad began to surface on foreign media outlets and it was disastrous. Joe was being led around like a dog at the Westminster kennel show. He was walking to greet people 30 feet away, and would walk right past them as if he forgot what he was doing in a space of 10 seconds. He was forgetting the end of his speeches, then his sentences, then the exit off the stage. In Vietnam, he told the press he was going to bed, then was interrupted by smooth jazz, and handlers rushed to help him leave.

About 30% on either side of the political aisle will lie to themselves and believe any rhetoric their party tells them....but 60-70% of voters could see something was wrong, even if it wasn't spoken of much on the left and only speculated about on the right. Openly slandering Biden without evidence of dementia or alzheimer's was a risky proposal that would likely haunt the news outlet willing to try it.

Yet even after the debate....it appears that some outlets on the left are still pretending. It's jet lag, a cold, or bad moderation from CNN. I know these "journalists" have hours of footage they parse down to minutes for their stories. There's no doubt in my mind they were all well aware that Joe is mentally gone and has been for some time. MSNBC is the outlet that arguably acts as the Fox News for the left....carrying the Democratic Party's water no matter what. They've been pushing the idea that this was a rare one-off incident that isn't indicative of Joe's mental health.

However, before you believe that, consider what they said a day before the debate.


Some of what is said there is true. The live political debates are of little importance in evaluating the competency of a president. A president will have multiple aids and advisors who can help the president make decisions. This is true. A president though...still has to make those decisions. They will have to meet with tough foreign leaders and impress foreign allies. They will need to make difficult decisions about how to secure our future and at no point will anyone accept the answer "well my advisor told me to do that" when they fail or make a mistake. At the very least, we should want to see a president who can convincingly pretend to have the answers. A debate where others are answering for you isn't a debate....but it is a clue to just how dependent upon his staff Joe Biden is. The suggestions in that short video aired before the debate are made by someone who knows Joe doesn't have the brains anymore.

It indicates, to me, the press on both sides has known this for years. That's why they wanted Joe's competition behind bars or bankrupt. They wanted him removed from ballots. They wanted the voter to have no other choice...and they could continue with the gaslighting. The party and the media outlets competing for the attention of the left don't respect the intelligence of their audience.

That seems obvious to me though, and I'm curious about whether or not others believe that the media knew Joe was cuckoo for coco puffs.

It's already known now. Reporters were unwilling to report on Biden's mental state because they didn't want to give credit to "right-wing media". The Wall Street Journal did a report on his mental condition and it was condemned by the mainstream media.
 
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It's already known now. Reporters were unwilling to report on Biden's mental state because they didn't want to give credit to "right-wing media". The Wall Street Journal did a report on his mental condition and it was condemned by the mainstream media.
This centrist report from KFOX also says that Biden is not doing well.

Quote from KFOX: "Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas, became the first sitting Democrat to call for President Biden to end his campaign."

 
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I guess that’s one more right wing conspiracy theory that turned out to be true.
Some of them do come true, though, not all. :)

We should make a mega thread here of suppressed information that become true for the left, center and right. But yes, even as a centrist, I knew something was wrong with Joe, especially after trying to watch 5 minutes of that debate a few weeks ago. Total train wreck.
 
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This centrist report from KFOX also says that Biden is not doing well.

Quote from KFOX: "Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas, became the first sitting Democrat to call for President Biden to end his campaign."


This is a "if only you knew how bad things really are" moment. Here's Dana Nash signaling to Joe Biden who to look at during the debate:

 
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This is a "if only you knew how bad things really are" moment. Here's Dana Nash signaling to Joe Biden who to look at during the debate:

Sounds like the TV was glitching out there at 0:07, or it was clipped together, but I do see your point. The moderator pointed to her right (our left) twice in this clip, so it does show how Biden's computing systems are getting old, and need a memory refresh.
 
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Some of them do come true, though, not all. :)

We should make a mega thread here of suppressed information that become true for the left, center and right. But yes, even as a centrist, I knew something was wrong with Joe, especially after trying to watch 5 minutes of that debate a few weeks ago. Total train wreck.
I’ve been seeing it for a long time now. He actually did better than I expected during the debate.
 
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It's already known now. Reporters were unwilling to report on Biden's mental state because they didn't want to give credit to "right-wing media". The Wall Street Journal did a report on his mental condition and it was condemned by the mainstream media.

I've seen the white house press secretary brush off questions of Biden's mental state for a long time now. She typically claims these clips are selectively edited... which they are, like all clips of Biden.


We all watch different media though...and I'm curious if those who watch exclusively left wing sources or primarily left wing sources were aware of this stuff so long ago?

That clip is 5 months old. It's a question about Biden's speech where he mentioned meeting with a long dead French politician. Did they expect the Biden who debated? Or something better?
 
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I’ve been seeing it for a long time now. He actually did better than I expected during the debate.
Yeah, I do agree on that, but we have 330M people in this country. Can we not have better candidates instead of Joe or Don? Even if 0.1% of the population was eligible to be president, that would still be a pool of 330,000 people.
 
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Only a battery of tests by an impartial expert can settle this matter. If he's really good to go for another four years like he says he is, he needs to prove it by submitting to the tests. That's what it's going to take to instill confidence in voters (if he actually passes them). Good day speeches and bronzing isn't going to cut it.
 
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I posted years ago that for me was awful that the most powerful country elected someone that couldn't sometimes string sentences together, media was in denial or covering it up better, and now they want to elect the guy again? what? people do anything to not vote the other side i guess?
 
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I posted years ago that for me was awful that the most powerful country elected someone that couldn't sometimes string sentences together, media was in denial or covering it up better, and now they want to elect the guy again? what? people do anything to not vote the other side i guess?
This “fits” both candidates from the major parties, to whom doth thou refer?
 
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This “fits” both candidates from the major parties, to whom doth thou refer?
I am not into usa politics much, i don't like politics, but imho the president for me is not running the country like someone elected to be leader, i don't think he is capable of his position.
 
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I am not into usa politics much, i don't like politics, but imho the president for me is not running the country like someone elected to be leader, i don't think he is capable of his position.
His predecessor proved that one needn’t be a competent office-holder to have the country (more or-less) run itself, for four years.
 
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Only a battery of tests by an impartial expert can settle this matter. If he's really good to go for another four years like he says he is, he needs to prove it by submitting to the tests. That's what it's going to take to instill confidence in voters (if he actually passes them). Good day speeches and bronzing isn't going to cut it.
Tests taken today don't mean much. At that age, hard balls can come fast and unseen out of left field. It's a matter of age, and there is nothing that can be done about it. At his age, he can be fine today and completely incapacitated in a year. Being in those circles at my age, I see it happening constantly around me.
 
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His predecessor proved that one needn’t be a competent office-holder to have the country (more or-less) run itself, for four years.
As long as he's not busy shoving sticks in the spokes and throwing shoes in the gears.
 
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  • Yes, right or left, the media has been well aware of Joe's decline.
  • No, the right has been exaggerating and the left is in denial.
  • Yes, but they are unaware to the extent and severity regardless of political bias.
  • No, only Joe's inner circle and family+friends are aware of his mental state.
All of the statements are true.

The media left and right have been aware that Joe is in decline.
The right has been exaggerating it and the left has been in denial.
Neither of them knows the true extent and severity.
Only Joe's inner circle knows the true extent and severity.

But I do know this: I want a president who can fly around the world, catch a cold, and still hang tight in a hard meeting with a tough opponent. That's the nature of the job. If six days of rest can't prepare him for a two-hour debate, he's too old.

Trump's age is showing in a different way, one that I've also seen even in my own family. Trump is going out like my father-in-law. My wife got called to his nursing home to find the police pulling guns on him. She had to plead, "Please don't shoot my father!" He was an Army veteran of Korea and Vietnam who believed in his dementia that he was being held by the North Koreans and was staging a break-out...he was a big man, still strong, and willing to use violence to make his escape. But only a year before, he was as amiable and mild-mannered as could be.

When you're that old, it can come at you fast.
 
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I am not into usa politics much, i don't like politics, but imho the president for me is not running the country like someone elected to be leader, i don't think he is capable of his position.
Who do you want to run for president in the USA? I would like to hear some overseas opinions.

1. Joe Biden (D)
2. Donald Trump (R)
3. Nikki Haley (R)
4. Chris Christie (R)
5. Liz Cheney (R)
6. Pete Buttigieg (D)
7. RFK (Other)
8. Some other choice (write-in)
 
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