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does EO believe this?

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There were very good reasons why I chose to use masturbation as an example: 1) just like homosexuality we hear the modern culture telling us that it's ok, natural, and there's nothing sinful with it. 2) just like homosexuality, there are many people who are quoting scientific research to say that it's normal and healthy in some cases. In fact there's an episode of Scrubs where one male character tells another to engage in the act to relieve some stress and tension. 3) I still have yet to hear of high school boys and college freshmen stand up and proudly proclaim in their school's cafeteria, "I touch, and I'm proud!", but I known of an incident when a couple of students a year after I graduated high school stood up in the cafeteria and proclaimed their homosexuality.

And I do agree with you that the sin is made much worse when pride is attached to it, but there are one percenter motorcycle clubs who have patches that are awarded to members for violent acts such as rape and murder and for some of those clubs theft is a way of life as they steal motorcycles and other objects. So by wearing those patches, they are proclaiming pride in their sin.

I actually thought about using murder, rape, and theft as examples, but I know that some people would have had a huge problem with it. So I chose to compare it to a sin that is in the same category, especially since self-abuse is considered by the Church to be a very serious sin.
I can certainly see that masturbation and homosexuality are far more similar (as they both probably deal with lust and are more self-abuse than anything else), I just wanted to note that I think there have been some "masturbation" parades out there... I can also see why you'd avoid the other examples as such a comparison would be far more controversial, but, personally, I'm pretty sure the Church sees sin as sin, aside from blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which, as per the Bible, is the most grievous. In the end, they're all important and detrimental to godliness.
 
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I can certainly see that masturbation and homosexuality are far more similar (as they both probably deal with lust and are more self-abuse than anything else), I just wanted to note that I think there have been some "masturbation" parades out there... I can also see why you'd avoid the other examples as such a comparison would be far more controversial, but, personally, I'm pretty sure the Church sees sin as sin, aside from blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which, as per the Bible, is the most grievous. In the end, they're all important and detrimental to godliness.

Bingo, and I that's what I was trying to demonstrate. No matter what our sin is, I find that humans (I included) always try to find a way to justify it or at least try to lessen it in our eyes and/or in the eyes of others. Until we realize that all sin has the same effect, separation from God, we won't stop justifying our sin.
 
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I don't think Orthodoxy was is in the supermarket business.

if they are not then I want nothing to do with them. I need milk, vegetables, and meats. :)
 
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Fr. Thomas Hopko -- The Homosexual Christian

that seemed to give a good view on the orthodox position, thanks. I heard some EO say something that sounded like ( not their exact words and perhaps not even what the person meant, but what I perceived it as ) " homosexuals just have to be celibate"

which does not make sense to me. but Fr. Thomas Hopko seemed to not hold that position.

How are you getting that impression from this article? Fr. Thomas said that homosexuals are called to struggle against their passions just like anyone else. It is simply not possible to be a sexually-active homosexual and be in good standing with the Church.
 
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Sorry - I got the impression the poster was shopping around.
So what if he was? Thats how most people approach Christianity, at least until they're even introduced to the idea of seeking Christ and Truth. No need to turn them away when they're seeking, even if they're not seeking the way you want them to be, especially not even being done with seeking yourself!!!
 
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How are you getting that impression from this article? Fr. Thomas said that homosexuals are called to struggle against their passions just like anyone else. It is simply not possible to be a sexually-active homosexual and be in good standing with the Church.

nah. I got that impression from a certain poster, but I probably did not understand him/her.


You need true, living food, that only Christ can give.

Amen.


You can get vegetables anytime...meat and milk everyday except Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays before church!

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what is so special about wednesdays, fridays, and sundays before church? does EO have some sort of custom with physical foods? or I guess you are telling a joke? :D



where can I learn more about a monastery? are those in the united states too?
 
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what is so special about wednesdays, fridays, and sundays before church? does EO have some sort of custom with physical foods?

Matthew 17:19-21
Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we not cast out?[the demon] So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, "Move from here to there," and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.

Luke 5:35
But the day days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them; then they will fast in those days.

The Holy Spirit has gifted the Church with the knowledge of the fasts and how it affects our spiritual life, thanks be to Him.
 
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There are quite a few monasteries in the U.S. Easy way to see which ones are near you:

Go to http://www.orthodoxyinamerica.org, punch your postal code or city into the box at the right, deselect every box but the one labeled 'Monasteries', and you'll see which ones are close to you. Ta-da!
 
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I really don't understand his "nous" comment, but my French is rusty...

Oh hey, I just noticed this thread. How come no one just asked me? :confused:

In any case, my comment about the nous was directed at wayseer. This brother has accused the conservative Anglicans over in STR who believe that homosexuality is a sinful choice to be homophobes. Of course, if conservative Anglicans offend any liberal tendencies he might harbor, what does he expect to find in Orthodoxy?

So in light of his recent desire to become EO, I thought he might like to know that the EO are "very conservative" on the issue of homosexuality. I also thought he might like to know about some of the EO practices in which women are excluded in Orthodoxy, since they also might offend any feminist sensibilities he might have.

So my comment about the nous was simply to say that the EO view homosexuality as a sinful choice, as does every other "conservative" Christian on this issue. Aka, unlike Lady Gaga, you ain't "born that way." ;)

That's all I was getting at. :thumbsup:
 
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