Does Dispensationalism Really Matter?

[Markie Boy]

So one of my favorite Bible teachers - Steve Gregg / The Narrow Path - says he used to be a dispensationalist, but after years of study he is not any longer.

After a little research I agree with him. BUT - I don't think he was un-saved because he was a dispensationalist or got saved because he changed.

It's funny that it's a concept that started less than 200 years ago with Darby, and spread so fast. It shows how ideas - right or wrong - can spread within the church. Sort of a modern version of older traditions that had to go - as they were not good.

Personally I would not break fellowship with anyone because of this topic - but do you guys think it should be a church dividing thing?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

So one of my favorite Bible teachers - Steve Gregg / The Narrow Path - says he used to be a dispensationalist, but after years of study he is not any longer.

After a little research I agree with him. BUT - I don't think he was un-saved because he was a dispensationalist or got saved because he changed.

It's funny that it's a concept that started less than 200 years ago with Darby, and spread so fast. It shows how ideas - right or wrong - can spread within the church. Sort of a modern version of older traditions that had to go - as they were not good.

Personally I would not break fellowship with anyone because of this topic - but do you guys think it should be a church dividing thing?

I too was hard core Dispensational but then realized the shoe just didn't fit!
I then did a deep study on it , found like minded teachers ( Steve) and realized how much of what I believed was fed to me by others rather than by my use basic hermeneutics when reading scripture. I know if I sat in a church where" end times" newspaper eschatology was being taught, I could not sit through it. So I guess I would be dividing myself. Thanks for sharing!
Blessings.

 

[Markie Boy]

Oh awesome - I am not alone here!

The sheer fact that Dispensationalism is less than 200 years old should cause pause enough to openly consider.

Attending a church that promotes it - I really don't want to either - so I am sort of dividing on my own. It makes it tough to find a church, as most modern protestant churches seem to be dispensational here. The Lutheran church is the only one I know of here that is non-Catholic and non-dispensational.

Any thoughts on finding a church home given this info?

 

[Dan Perez]

So one of my favorite Bible teachers - Steve Gregg / The Narrow Path - says he used to be a dispensationalist, but after years of study he is not any longer.

After a little research I agree with him. BUT - I don't think he was un-saved because he was a dispensationalist or got saved because he changed.

It's funny that it's a concept that started less than 200 years ago with Darby, and spread so fast. It shows how ideas - right or wrong - can spread within the church. Sort of a modern version of older traditions that had to go - as they were not good.

Personally I would not break fellowship with anyone because of this topic - but do you guys think it should be a church dividing thing?

So one of my favorite Bible teachers - Steve Gregg / The Narrow Path - says he used to be a dispensationalist, but after years of study he is not any longer.

After a little research I agree with him. BUT - I don't think he was un-saved because he was a dispensationalist or got saved because he changed.

It's funny that it's a concept that started less than 200 years ago with Darby, and spread so fast. It shows how ideas - right or wrong - can spread within the church. Sort of a modern version of older traditions that had to go - as they were not good.

Personally I would not break fellowship with anyone because of this topic - but do you guys think it should be a church dividing thing?

Oh awesome - I am not alone here!

The sheer fact that Dispensationalism is less than 200 years old should cause pause enough to openly consider.

Attending a church that promotes it - I really don't want to either - so I am sort of dividing on my own. It makes it tough to find a church, as most modern protestant churches seem to be dispensational here. The Lutheran church is the only one I know of here that is non-Catholic and non-dispensational.

Any thoughts on finding a church home given this info?

In are assembly we have Acts 2 , 9 , 13 , and 28 people .

Paul was chosen for the MYSTERY and preached a dispensational message and we were chosen BEFORE / PRO the foundation of the world , Eph 1:4 .

And in Rom 1:1 Paul was SEPERATED / APHORIZE and it means that BOUNDRIES were set , and Paul was then LIMITED to only preach God's GOSPEL from Romans ----Philemon .

In 1 Tim 1:4 , nor to give attention to FABLES , and Endless , genealogies , which CAUSE questionings , rather than God's DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA , the one by FAITH .

It is clear to me , that to be in the FAITH you have to be a DISPENSATIONALIST , pure and simple .

Many say the DISPENSATIONALISM is a DIVIDER , but what about WATER BAPTISM ?

What about a HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM ?

And by the way there is A DRY BAPTISM !!

And in John 20:23 the apostles CAN REMIT SINS

These are just a few of the above !!

What about tongues in Mark 16:16-18 and the casting out of DEMONS , and HEAL the SICK , and can drink any DEADLY THING and will not hurt them .

dan p

 

[Guojing]

Oh awesome - I am not alone here!

The sheer fact that Dispensationalism is less than 200 years old should cause pause enough to openly consider.

Attending a church that promotes it - I really don't want to either - so I am sort of dividing on my own. It makes it tough to find a church, as most modern protestant churches seem to be dispensational here. The Lutheran church is the only one I know of here that is non-Catholic and non-dispensational.

Any thoughts on finding a church home given this info?

Do you build an ark now, just because God commanded Noah to build one in Genesis 6?

Do you physically circumcised yourself because God stated that if you were not, you will be cut off from him in Genesis 17:14?

If you don't do any of those, even though such commands were clearly written in the Bible, you are a dispensationalist, even if you don't want to admit it.

You believe that God had different commands to different people at different periods of time.

 

[Markie Boy]

Very good points - and I am not sure I want to argue with them. God did have different commands for different time periods.

What about the end times - rapture, tribulation, second coming, literal 1000 year reign?

 

[Clare73]

It is clear to me , that to be in the FAITH you have to be a DISPENSATIONALIST , pure and simple .

To be in the faith you have to believe in and trust on the person and atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sin.
Nothing else is required to enter into the faith (John 3:16).

 

[Dan Perez]

To be in the faith you have to believe in and trust on the person and atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sin.
Nothing else is required to enter into the faith (John 3:16).

And 1TIM 1:4 is the RIGHT verse that says , IF you want to be in THE FAITH .

And reads , Nor give attention to FABLES , and Endless Genealogies , which cause questionings , rather than God's OIKONOMIA / DISPENSATION , the one by FAITH !!

dan p

 

[Guojing]

Very good points - and I am not sure I want to argue with them. God did have different commands for different time periods.

What about the end times - rapture, tribulation, second coming, literal 1000 year reign?

After we in the Body of Christ is raptured, God will be resuming his program for the nation of Israel during the Tribulation years.

So, yes, the instructions that God gave us thru the Apostle Paul in Romans to Philemon, will no longer apply directly.

Instead, it will be back to the gospel of the kingdom, preached by Jesus and the other apostles that can be found in Matthew to Acts, Hebrews to Revelation.

To put it simply, if you are still an unsaved gentile on Earth then, if you want to be saved, you need to bless Israel and be saved thru them (John 4:22).

 

[ralliann]

Do you build an ark now, just because God commanded Noah to build one in Genesis 6?

Do you physically circumcised yourself because God stated that if you were not, you will be cut off from him in Genesis 17:14?

If you don't do any of those, even though such commands were clearly written in the Bible, you are a dispensationalist, even if you don't want to admit it.

You believe that God had different commands to different people at different periods of time.

No, the teaching of covenants takes care of that.

 

[ralliann]

In are assembly we have Acts 2 , 9 , 13 , and 28 people .

Paul was chosen for the MYSTERY and preached a dispensational message and we were chosen BEFORE / PRO the foundation of the world , Eph 1:4 .

And in Rom 1:1 Paul was SEPERATED / APHORIZE and it means that BOUNDRIES were set , and Paul was then LIMITED to only preach God's GOSPEL from Romans ----Philemon .

In 1 Tim 1:4 , nor to give attention to FABLES , and Endless , genealogies , which CAUSE questionings , rather than God's DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA , the one by FAITH .

It is clear to me , that to be in the FAITH you have to be a DISPENSATIONALIST , pure and simple .

Many say the DISPENSATIONALISM is a DIVIDER , but what about WATER BAPTISM ?

What about a HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM ?

And by the way there is A DRY BAPTISM !!

And in John 20:23 the apostles CAN REMIT SINS

These are just a few of the above !!

What about tongues in Mark 16:16-18 and the casting out of DEMONS , and HEAL the SICK , and can drink any DEADLY THING and will not hurt them .

dan p

What about covenants? You do not need dispensationalism instead.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Personally I would not break fellowship with anyone because of this topic - but do you guys think it should be a church dividing thing?

Nope, it definitely shouldn't be.

 

[Clare73]

Do you build an ark now, just because God commanded Noah to build one in Genesis 6?
Do you physically circumcised yourself because God stated that if you were not, you will be cut off from him in Genesis 17:14?
If you don't do any of those, even though such commands were clearly written in the Bible, you are a dispensationalist, even if you don't want to admit it.
You believe that God had different commands to different people at different periods of time.

The morphing of dispensationalism into what is popular today is not the "dispensationalism" to which you refer above.

 

[Dan Perez]

No, the teaching of covenants takes care of that.

And who was the teacher of the NEW COVENANT and who was the teacher of COVENANTS , and to whom were they given ?

#1 The main covenant was given to Abraham .

#2 The Palestinian Covenant

#3 The New Covenant

Heb 8:8 says who the Old and New Covenants were given too .

Given to Israel and to Judah .

The Body of Christ is a NEW CREATURE in Christ ,

dan p

 

[Guojing]

No, the teaching of covenants takes care of that.

Ultimately, do you "believe that God had different commands to different people at different periods of time"

Your answer to that is a yes correct?

 

[Guojing]

The morphing of dispensationalism into what is popular today is not the "dispensationalism" to which you refer above.

That is irrelevant to my point.

Ultimately, do you "believe that God had different commands to different people at different periods of time"

 

[Markie Boy]

I guess the thing that I think is false, is the Left Behind Series concept of first second coming and pre-trib rapture, 7 years of chaos, second-second coming, etc.

That seems to be hard core important to people I know are dispensationalists.

 

[ralliann]

And who was the teacher of the NEW COVENANT and who was the teacher of COVENANTS , and to whom were they given ?

#1 The main covenant was given to Abraham .

#2 The Palestinian Covenant

#3 The New Covenant

Heb 8:8 says who the Old and New Covenants were given too .

Given to Israel and to Judah .

The Body of Christ is a NEW CREATURE in Christ ,

dan p

It does not say "ONLY", nor does scriptural new testament teaching imply such thinking. What it does speak is, If the covenant was not made with the circumcision, (Israel outwardly) it would not have made the first "0ld". In other words the genealogical (Levi) kingdom of priests, under Sinai would have not been disannulled.
Kingdom of priests ......made old (obsolete)
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

 

[Dan Perez]

It does not say "ONLY", nor does scriptural new testament teaching imply such thinking. What it does speak is, If the covenant was not made with the circumcision, (Israel outwardly) it would not have made the first "0ld". In other words the genealogical (Levi) kingdom of priests, under Sinai would have not been disannulled.
Kingdom of priests ......made old (obsolete)
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

REALLY ?

In Heb 8:8 says , with THE HOUSE of Israel .

The Greek word THE / HO is called a DEFINITE ARTICILE and that POINTS to only the HOUSE of Israel , and is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and that means that is speaks to ONLY the House of Israel and LIMITED to only Israel and is SINGULAR and not 2 Israel , but , only one Israel .

The next words with THE HOUSE of Judah is the same as above .

The Greek word THE / HO is also pointing to THE HOUSE of JUDAH and that word THE also speaks and POINTS to Judah and is also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and is only LIMITED to Judah only and is also SINGULAR .

And it does mean ONLY !!

dan p

 

[ralliann]

REALLY ?

In Heb 8:8 says , with THE HOUSE of Israel .

The Greek word THE / HO is called a DEFINITE ARTICILE and that POINTS to only the HOUSE of Israel , and is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and that means that is speaks to ONLY the House of Israel and LIMITED to only Israel and is SINGULAR and not 2 Israel , but , only one Israel .


The next words with THE HOUSE of Judah is the same as above .

The Greek word THE / HO is also pointing to THE HOUSE of JUDAH and that word THE also speaks and POINTS to Judah and is also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and is only LIMITED to Judah only and is also SINGULAR .

And it does mean ONLY !![/quote


dan p

The very fact that Hebrews tells us the carnal elements of the law are made old, and disanulled is what Hebrews teaches as weak therefore is made obsolete. Genealogical outward elements no longer apply. Geesh, it opens up to all children of Abraham, circumcised or not. It is therefore to all Abrahams seed not just carnal earthly Israel.