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I did a quick search on Google (since apparently you couldn't be bothered) - I didn't find the words "British", "B'ritish" or "B'rit Ish" in hebrew dictionaries or lexicons anywhere.

Interestingly I did find an article on The Jewish Daily Forward which says the phrase "man of the covenant" is actually Ish brit. "Ish" itself is simply another word for man, which is where words like Scot-ish, Ir-ish, Pol-ish and Span-ish come from. Other sources (link) say that the -ish suffix either came from Greek or German, but not Hebrew.

"Brit" or "bris" in Hebrew means covenant, but the Celts also had the word "brit", which means light-coloured or speckled (link). The celts called people from Briton "Brettas", others did not. The ancient Greeks knew us as "Prettanoi" which means tattooed people.


If baby Jesus did actually cry everytime that phrase was used we'd have a complete wuss for a Messiah. The Bible says Jesus actually had a spine. :p

If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, the literal fulfilment of the prophecies would be impossible; if they have not disappeared, obviously they must exist under a different name.

TRIBES, LOST TEN - JewishEncyclopedia.com
 
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Dagelos said:
Abraham was to be a father of many nations,the Europeans countries are many nations.
As is Africa, Asia and south America.

Dagelos said:
Read the Genealogy of Queen Elizabeth 2 - It goes back to King David.

Genealogy -- Adam, King David, the Queen

Kings and Queens come out of European nations.
That list doesn't include many of her other famous ancestors such as Alfred the Great (the first king of England), William the Conquerer or any of the Henries. It's a pretty poor list if it leaves out so many well-known kings.

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Even the flags of European nations are in the form of a cross.
And several European flags do not have crosses, such as Wales, Spain, France, Germany and Portugal.

Dagelos said:
If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, the literal fulfilment of the prophecies would be impossible; if they have not disappeared, obviously they must exist under a different name.
So the Bible does not say that the British are God's chosen people - the "men of the covenant". Then what makes us think only Europeans are the descendants of these lost tribes?
 
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As is Africa, Asia and south America.


That list doesn't include many of her other famous ancestors such as Alfred the Great (the first king of England), William the Conquerer or any of the Henries. It's a pretty poor list if it leaves out so many well-known kings.


And several European flags do not have crosses, such as Wales, Spain, France, Germany and Portugal.


So the Bible does not say that the British are God's chosen people - the "men of the covenant". Then what makes us think only Europeans are the descendants of these lost tribes?

Israel did not migrate in to Africa or Asia,they migrated into Europe!
Only the European nations accept Christianity,predominatly
Africa and Asia do NOT.
The marks of Israel are all over Europe.
Israel's Finger Prints - Israel's fingerprints


Europe is many nations,and various flags do have crosses on them,like the ones I posted.

The Bible does not say the Jews are chosen people.
Israel is God's people,not the Jews - BIG DIFFERENCE!

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3

This genetic fact is confirmed by several other Jewish sources.12 Dr. Oscar Levy and Jack Bernstein, respectively, went so far as to declare:

And are not they [today’s Jews] the inventors of the Chosen People myth?13

Could You Be an Israelite and Not Know It? - Mission to Israel

If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, the literal fulfilment of the prophecies would be impossible; if they have not disappeared, obviously they must exist under a different name.

TRIBES, LOST TEN - JewishEncyclopedia.com

And also....

Matthew 21:43:Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
 
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Since some people think that link flinging is a valid form of argument there's this:
BRITISH-ISRAELISM

this:
British Israelism: A Mirage

and this:
Why British-Israelism is Wrong

I'm not British Israel.

"These Ashkenazim Jews have little or no trace of Semitic blood."-p. 222, "What Price Israel."

Genesis 21:12:And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Saxons - Anglo-Saxons.



Assyrian Captivities


In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. (2 Kings 17:6)

The first archaeological evidence to establish a chronological link in the contacts between Assyria and Israel are found on inscriptions on the side of a limestone stele found at Nimrud, known as the "Black Obelisk." The stone was inscribed with the records of Shalmaneser the third and an illustration of the Israelite king Jehu bringing tribute to the Assyrian king. An inscription above the illustration says:

"This is Jehu (Iaua), the son of Khumri (Omri)."
Omri in Hebrew begins with the consonant, "Agin," formerly called "Gayin" which was pronounced with a guttural "H," that is "Gh" or "Kh." The Israelites would have naturally pronounced Omri as "Ghomri" which became "Khumri" in Assyrian.

As this inscription was executed nearly a century before the captivity of Israel, we know now the reason secular historians found no mention of the exiled Israelites in ancient records. It was simply because the Assyrians who took the Israelites captive did not call them by that name. Historians are now aware of the fact that the Gamira were the same people, who, about 30 years later, during the reign of Esarhaddon, king of Assyria, again were called Gimira. (Notice the slight changes in spelling).

We find in another and later Assyrian tablet that in the second year of the reign of this same king, which would be about 679 B.C., the Gimira, under a leader named "Teuspa," sought freedom by moving north; but the Assyrain army pursued and defeated them in the upper Euphrates district. Nevertheless, they reported a large number of the lsraelites escaped to the shores of the Black Sea. The Greeks also recorded the same activity including an invasion of Sardis, the capital of Lydia, in 645 B.C. In their records they refer to the Gamira as "Kimmerioi," which we translate into English as "Cimmerian."

About 600 B.C. the Lydians drove the Gamira, or Cimmerians, out of Asia Minor, where they settled in the Carpathian regions west of the Black Sea. We find them called in the second book of Esdras, the people of Ar-Sareth (2 Esdras 13:40-44).

We now also know what happened to the larger body of Gamira or Israelites, that did not escape the Assyrians. They formed an alliance with Esarhaddon, the king, when he came under attack of the Medes and the Persians.

This treaty allowed the Israelites to establish colonies in Sacasene in the north and Bactria in the east. With absolutely no help from the Israelites, Assyria fell in 612 B.C. Soon the Israelites themselves came under attack by the Medes.

Now those that had settled in Sacasene moved north through the Dariel Pass into the steppe regions of south Russia. There they became known by the Greek name, "Scythians."

The Israelites that had settled in Bactria were forced north and east, and in the records of the Persians they were called Massagetae and Sakka.

Archeology has solved two of the greatest archeological problems: First, what happened to the hundreds of thousands of Israelites who disappeared south of the Caucasus; and second, what was the origin of the Cimmerians and the mysterious nomadic tribes, known as Scythians, who suddenly appeared north of the Caucasus - both at the same time in history. They were one and the same people. They were Israelites. Now may I point out what the Bible has to say concerning these same people:

"For lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth" (Amos 9:9).

Our history books pick up the story at this point, recording the westward migrations of the Scythians, as they came into collision with the Cimmerians, who had earlier settled west of the Black Sea. Their kinship lost over the centuries, the ensuing battles forced the Cimmerians west and north to become the Celts, Gauls, and Cimbri. By the end of the fourth century B.C., the Scythians had established themselves as the great and prosperous kingdom of Scythia.

Later, the Sarmatians, these were a mixed, non- Israelitish people of Iranian origin. They in turn drove the Scythians northwest to the shores of the Baltic Sea. At this time in history, we find the Romans introduced the name "Germans" in place of the name Scythians, in order not to confuse the Scythians with the Sarmatians, who now occupied Scythia. Germanus, being the Latin name for "genuine," indicates the Germans were the genuine Scythians.

During this time the Celts were expanding in all directions from central Europe. Some of the Celts invaded Italy and sacked Rome in 390 B.C. Another group moved back into Asia Minor, in 280 B.C., and the Greeks called them "Galatians," as they did another group of Celts that had settled in Gaul, or modern France. This also indicates that Paul's letters to the Galatians were written to his kinsmen Israelites, or at least descendants of the earlier Galatians.

Some of the Celts moved into Spain and became known as Iberes, the Gaelic name for "Hebrews." Others poured into Britain to form the bedrock of the British race. Later, the Iberes moved into Ireland as Scots, and later into Northern Britain to establish the nation of Scotland.

Your history books also record the Germanic tribes breaking up into many divisions - the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, and Vikings, to name just a few. Other Germanic tribes later poured into the lands vacated by the Celts and established the Gothic nations of the Vandals, Lombards, Franks, Burgundians, and others.

The so-called "lost tribes of Israel" really, were never lost. They only lost their identity as they migrated westward over the centuries from the land of their captivity.

http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/emry/heirs-of-the-promise.html
 
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ANCIENT ISRAEL IN SPAIN AND BRITAIN
(A Review of an important 1846 work authored by historian and theologian DR. MOSES MARGOLIOUTH: 'THE HISTORY OF THE JEWS IN GREAT BRITAIN' )

Moses Margoliouth was a learned and respected minister in the Church of England of the nineteenth century. As his name might indicate, he was also of Jewish extraction. Born in Suwalki, Poland in 1818, he arrived in England in 1837 and converted to the Christian faith the following year. MCCLINTOCK AND STRONG'S CYCLOPEDIA adds the following:
"In 1840 he entered Trinity College, Dublin, and, after completing his studies, was ordained in 1844. He held various positions in the Episcopal Church, and at the time of his death, Feb. 25, 1881, he was vicar of Little Linford, near Newport Pagnell, Bucks, England. He is the author of many works: Fundamental Principles of Modern Judaism Investigated (London 1843); History of the Jews in Great Britain (ibid., 1846); A Pilgrimage to the Land of my Fathers (ibid. 1850, 2 vols.); History of the Jews in Great Britain (expanded 1851, 3 vols.); Abyssinia, its Past, Present, and Future (1866); The Spirit of Prophecy (1864); Sacred Minstrelsy: A Lecture on Biblical and Post-Biblical Hebrew Music (1863); The Oracles of God and their Vindication (1870); Vestiges of the Historic Anglo-Hebrews in East Anglia (eod.); The Poetry of the Hebrew Pentateuch (1871); The Lord's Prayer No Adaptation of Existing Jewish Petitions (1876). Besides, he left a great many works in manuscript."
A very learned churchman, he earned two doctorates (in Philosophy and Letters). The knowledge and learning he possessed shows clearly in his work, THE HISTORY OF THE JEWS IN GREAT BRITAIN. At the University of Liverpool, in England, he gave six lectures in 1845 on this subject. They were so well received that many requests came for their reprinting in book form, which appeared in 1846. A synopsis of this work follows.
ISRAEL, A MIGRATORY NATION
On page12, he states that Israel was "trained to be a wandering nation" with "a peculiar migratory disposition" (p.13) in preparation for "their mighty dispersion"over the earth. Israel's progenitor, Abraham, was "a type of the same," or example to those who followed after. Abraham was commanded in Genesis 12:1, 'Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that 1 will show thee.'Dr. Margoliouth adds that Abraham "and his descendants have ever and anon manifested a peculiar migratory disposition, as you always find in holy writ." Not only that, but Israel was "trained to be a maritime nation," as well, and quoting the eminent ancient Roman historian, Tacitus, "the first colonizing expeditions were performed by water, not by land." Margoliouth adds, "Not only did they possess the small Sea of Galilee, but they were placed all along the upper border of the great, or Mediterranean, Sea; and no sooner were they established in their country than they began to be engaged in maritime affairs, as we read in sacred history (I Kings 9:26-28) 'And King Solomon made a navy of ships in Ezion-geber which is beside Eloth, on the shore of the Red Sea, in the land of Edom. And Hiram sent in the navy his servants, shipmen that had knowledge of the sea, with the servants of Solomon. And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to King Solomon.' The Israelites, therefore, had an opportunity of traversing the known world at a very early period of their history..."
These statements have proven true in history. Other historians (such as Aylett Sammes in the 17th century), noted the Hebrew-Phoenician language of the early colonists of Britain, yet gave the Phoenicians all of the credit, saying that the Hebrews were never known to colonize! Not only is such a conception mistaken, but the word, "Hebrew," in ancient times even came to mean "a colonist." The Bible prophesied of Israel that, "his seed shall be in many waters"(Numbers 24:7) and they were to "spread abroad"to the four corners of the earth. (Genesis 28:14)
On pages 16 to 21, Pastor Margoliouth comments on the Hebrew-Phoenician connection with ancient Britain and Spain. The Bible in First Kings 10:22 tells us, 'For the king had at sea a navy of Tarshish, with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tarshish, bringing gold and silver...'Margoliouth says, "I am led to adopt the view of the profoundly learned Bochart -- viz., that the Tarshish of the Scriptures was the Tartessus of Spain, with a district around including Cadiz ... Now if Tarshish be Spain, the conclusion is inevitable, the Israelites must have visited the western countries in the days of Solomon.'Israel and Phoenicia both spoke the same language in ancient times, but since the nation of Israel far outnumbered the Phoenicians, it is obvious that most "Phoenician" colonization was in reality Israelite. An excellent and authoritative discussion of this subject is covered in Stephen M. Collins' recent book, "THE TEN TRBES OF ISRAEL ... FOUND!" ($20US PPD., Box 88735, SIOUX FALLS, SD 57109-1005)
ANCIENT HEBREW INSCRIPTIONS
A very interesting discussion of monuments found in Spain begins on page 22. In the year 1480 at Saguntum, Spain, "a Hebrew epitaph" of great antiquity was discovered. It reads, 'This is the grave of Adoniram, the servant of King Solomon, who came to collect the tribute, and died on the day...' (page 23)This Adoniram is mentioned in both I Kings 5:14 and 4:6, "and Adoniram the son of Abda was over the tribute."From this we understand that Adoniram was sent by Solomon to the Hebrew colony in Spain, where raw materials were collected for the Temple and other building projects in Palestine. This large stone sepulchre has been called, "the stone of Solomon's collector."
A second monument discovered in Spain with ancient Hebrew lettering, reads, "Raise with a bitter voice, a lamentation for the great prince; YAH has taken him. Amaziah." An old Hebrew book, called "Darcay Noam," or "Ways of Pleasantness," gives an account of this epitaph.
Pastor Margoliouth sums up this issue well in saying, "I see no reason for disbelieving that there were [Israelites] in Spain in the time of David and Solomon - startling as it may appear .. there existed colonies of Hebrews all over the world, in the reigns of David and Solomon..." (page 30)
I KINGS 9:26-28 "And king Solomon made a navy of ships in Ezion-geber which is beside Eloth, on the shore of the Red Sea, in the land of Edom. And Hiram sent in the navy his servants, shipmen that had knowledge of the sea, with the servants of Solomon. And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to King Solomon."I KINGS 10:22 "For the king had at sea a navy of Tarshish, with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tarshish, bringing gold and silver..."
LANGUAGE EVIDENCE
A fascinating discussion of the language connection with ancient Israel appears beginning on page 32. Samuel Bochart (1599-1667), a profound Oriental language scholar, showed that the name Britain itself "is a corruption of the Hebrew words Barat Anach,"or islands of tin. We read that "an eminent Cornish scholar of last century, who devoted a great deal of his time to prove the affinity between the Hebrew and Welsh languages, observes, 'It would be difficult to adduce a single article or form of construction in the Hebrew grammar, but the same is to be found in Welsh, and that there are many whole sentences in both languages exactly the same in the very words.'" Two columns of quotations follow, showing the connection between the Hebrew and Welsh languages, after which Pastor Margoliouth asks, "where could [the early Britons] have got hold of such whole Hebrew, purely Hebrew, sentences?" The only answer, of course, is that Hebrews visited and colonized the British isles in ancient times.
Proper names are next referenced. Kings of ancient Britain often had Hebrew names, such as Solomon (three different kings!), Daniel, Abraham, Asaph, and Adam, "from which circumstance some antiquarians attempted to prove that the Welsh are descendants of the children of Israel." Pastor Margoliouth expresses that he is being "very moderate" in establishing that at the very least, ancient Israelites had been 'mixing with the Britons' in forming the foundation of the modern British people. On this point, we believe evidence exists that the Celtic-Britons were themselves descendants of the Biblical House of Israel, the lost ten tribes, who migrated overland from the land of their captivity in Assyria through the Caucasus and into Europe. Our tract, "THE REAL DIASPORA" discusses these points in greater detail.
BIBLE PROPHECIES
Biblical prophetic references to Britain are discussed beginning on page 37. 'The command is to declare the Lord's purpose concerning Israel' in "The isles afar off," in Jeremiah 31:10 . These "were supposed by the ancients to have been Britannia, Scotia, and Hibernia (Ireland).' Again, in Jeremiah 31: , "For thus saith the Lord, sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations ... save thy people, the remnant of Israel." Pastor Margoliouth avers that, 'The prophet seems to behold Britain in his vision. There can be no doubt that Britain [was long] the chief of the nations. Her monarch's territory is one upon which the sun never sets.' Yet a third Biblical term is also tied to the British isles. "The expression, 'The end of the world,' mentioned in Isaiah 62:11 is also supposed to mean Britain, which was a common appellation for this island in remote ages."
In the year 1670, a contractor digging the basement for a house in Mark-Lane, London, came across an old underground Roman-era vault beneath the pavement. The vault was scaled with a large old Roman-style brick 'of curious red clay, and in bas-relief on the front hath the figure of Samson putting fire to the foxes' tails, and driving them into a field of corn.' An antiquarian of the time, writing about the find, asked, "How the story of Samson should be known to the Romans, much less to the Britons, so early after the propagation of the gospel, seems to be a great doubt, except, it should be said, that some Jews, after the final destruction of Jerusalem, should wander into Britain..."

READ THE FULL ARTICLE HERE.....

Ancient Israel in Spain and Britain
 
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Wow. I am still reading more and more about this British Israelism. Are they serious? Only white people can be saved? The Royal family is of the line of David? Even though the line had split many times? The King James Version has errors but was authorized by the Royal family so how could it have errors based on what the argument is?

Have you all read about the lives of the founders of this belief? This is very close to LDS church. I think once I get my answers I will be done with this thread.
I don't know if British Israelism is like that but CI (Christian Identity)does believe that. I do not believe that way.

CAI -Christian Assembly international believes more like I do.
They believe all people can came to Christ and be grafted in and that the gospel was taken to the world by the sons of Abraham, the so called lost sheep of the house of Israel or Anglo Israelites which is the Brits and surrounding White countries. The signs are there even though Yahweh hid our identity for a time and called us by a new name...



All the skeptics here have never offered a single answer to these important promises made to Abraham and his seed.

1. His seed was to be scattered to all parts of the Earth and be innumerable, like the sand of the sea.(Jews have not)
2. Many nations would come from his seed.(Jews have not)
3. His seed would become a common wealth of Nations(Jews have not)
4. His seed would become a Mighty Nation and A Great name (Great Britain)
5. His seed would bless the world (England and her cubs have blessed the entire world with the gospel)
6. His seed would stand in the gates of his enemies
7. his seed would rule the gateways to the seas. (JEWs have never done this.)
8. They would occupy the isles far off and coastlands. (Jews have not done this)


There are many other promises. They have been fulfilled but not through Jews. Only England and her cubs have fulfilled these promises. These alone are very telling but there is so much more you people are not aware of... YET


So if you are a skeptic... Tell me what group of people have fulfilled all these 8 important promises to Abraham. And the all important promise made to King David on several occasions that he would never want for a King to sit on his throne, in other words there would always be someone sitting on his throne as King, a descendent of David and then you need to go back to the day of Zedekiah the last known King of Judea and find the King who fulfilled the promise to David... If you can...

Answer these please or Drop the lame arguments because the facts are that only the English/Irish/Scots fit the puzzle.



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Dagelos, you are espousing the heresy of BI whether you claim the namesake or not, basically you talk like a duck and reason like a duck you smell like a duck therefore I call you a duck. I'm very much a theological duck typer
Dagelos is CI which is similar. I am neither but agree more with CAI-Christian assembly international.www.cai.org/

they believe that Abrahmas children, the Anglos Saxon, Celts and the likes blessed the world with the gospel and all are able to be grafted in as sons of Abraham.
 
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So much nonsense, so little time. :p

Dagelos said:
Israel did not migrate in to Africa or Asia,they migrated into Europe!
Only the European nations accept Christianity,predominatly
Africa and Asia do NOT.
The descedants of the lost tribes of Israel are probably scattered all over the world. Indeed there have been several studies showing that many people around the world have semitic origins:
  • African - certain groups of South Africans - the Lemba - have semiatic ancestry (link).
  • Indians - the Bnei Israel claim to be related to the tribe of Manasseh. DNA results were inconclusive but Israeli government consider them to be jews.
  • The Taliban - even this Muslims terrorist group have Jewish ancestry (link).
Yes, Europeans are in there too, but they clearly are not the only descendants of the lost tribes.

Dagelos said:
The Bible does not say the Jews are chosen people.
Israel is God's people,not the Jews - BIG DIFFERENCE!
True, Judaism is a religion whilse Israel is a nation - but according to traditional Jewish law, they see no difference between the two. JewFAQ.org writes "The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him."

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At this time in history, we find the Romans introduced the name "Germans" in place of the name Scythians, in order not to confuse the Scythians with the Sarmatians, who now occupied Scythia. Germanus, being the Latin name for "genuine," indicates the Germans were the genuine Scythians.

Your Israelelect.com link gives no sources, and alot of it's claims are wrong.

German does not mean "genuine", it comes from the Old Irish word garim meaning "to shout", or possibly gair which means "neighbour". The Romans originally used the word to describe the people of Gaul (northern France) rather than modern-day Germany (link).
 
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Israel said:
All the skeptics here have never offered a single answer to these important promises made to Abraham and his seed.

1. His seed was to be scattered to all parts of the Earth and be innumerable, like the sand of the sea.(Jews have not)
2. Many nations would come from his seed.(Jews have not)
3. His seed would become a common wealth of Nations(Jews have not)
4. His seed would become a Mighty Nation and A Great name (Great Britain)
5. His seed would bless the world (England and her cubs have blessed the entire world with the gospel)
6. His seed would stand in the gates of his enemies
7. his seed would rule the gateways to the seas. (JEWs have never done this.)
8. They would occupy the isles far off and coastlands. (Jews have not done this)

1. As I mentioned above, many people around the world have Jewish ancestry.
2. The Moabites, the Ammonites, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites and of course the Israelites can all trace their lineage back to Abraham.
3. Pass.
4. A feeble argument. I mentioned here why "British" has nothing to do with "Ish brit".
5. Other superpowers (including Spain and Roman Italy) have spread Christianity through colonization.
6. Whatever the heck that means ... :confused:
7. Judea (ancient Israel) was a coastal nation.
8. Nearly 40% of the world's Jewish population lives in the United States, and the UK has roughly 292,000 Jews.
 
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1. As I mentioned above, many people around the world have Jewish ancestry.
2. The Moabites, the Ammonites, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites and of course the Israelites can all trace their lineage back to Abraham.

3. Pass.
4. A feeble argument. I mentioned here why "British" has nothing to do with "Ish brit".
5. Other superpowers (including Spain and Roman Italy) have spread Christianity through colonization.
6. Whatever the heck that means ... :confused:
7. Judea (ancient Israel) was a coastal nation.
8. Nearly 40% of the world's Jewish population lives in the United States, and the UK has roughly 292,000 Jews.
Major fail.

1)The mixed races of Abraham did not count as the legit sons of Abraham. for in Isaac shall they seed be called. Gen 21:12
2) Nations not people. Poor answer
3) Of course you pass. You have no answers
4) Your British argument has little to do with the statement here.
A Great name as GREAT in Great Britain.
That was a feeble attempt to answer these.
5) Rome did try to spread a particular brand of Christipagenism.
6) it means what it says..
7) Yes it was coastal nation but was void of Israelites for nearly 2000 years.

Jews are estimated to be about 15 million out of nearly 7 billion people. How is that innumerable like the sand of the sea? It isn't

The Jews have Not created many nations, but just recreated one that isn't theirs.


Sadly like most Christians you are clueless on this subject.



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Dagelos, you are espousing the heresy of BI whether you claim the namesake or not, basically you talk like a duck and reason like a duck you smell like a duck therefore I call you a duck. I'm very much a theological duck typer

I'm Christian identity,not British Israel.
 
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Christian Identity and Kinism both find their roots in BI, in much the same way that Pentecostalism finds its roots in Wesleyan churches and Wesleyan in Anglicanism. Once a duck always a duck. I should do some more work on denominational cladistics
 
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So much nonsense, so little time. :p


The descedants of the lost tribes of Israel are probably scattered all over the world. Indeed there have been several studies showing that many people around the world have semitic origins:
  • African - certain groups of South Africans - the Lemba - have semiatic ancestry (link).
  • Indians - the Bnei Israel claim to be related to the tribe of Manasseh. DNA results were inconclusive but Israeli government consider them to be jews.
  • The Taliban - even this Muslims terrorist group have Jewish ancestry (link).
Yes, Europeans are in there too, but they clearly are not the only descendants of the lost tribes.


True, Judaism is a religion whilse Israel is a nation - but according to traditional Jewish law, they see no difference between the two. JewFAQ.org writes "The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him."



Your Israelelect.com link gives no sources, and alot of it's claims are wrong.

German does not mean "genuine", it comes from the Old Irish word garim meaning "to shout", or possibly gair which means "neighbour". The Romans originally used the word to describe the people of Gaul (northern France) rather than modern-day Germany (link).

I find mainstream Christian ignore the obvious.

The Tribes were not Arab or African - They were Israelite.
Israelites migrated in to Europe,Europe has the marks of identification of Israel not Africa or Asia.
Europe is predominatly Christians,it has identification marks of Israel.
Only Europeans can show blood in the face or turn rosy.

Matthew 21:43:Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


The Israelites in Europe were not Jews,they were not followers of Judaism.
Judaism was formed in Babylon. It is not the Religion of the Bible.

THE EVIDENCE.


The Jewish Chronicle of May 22nd, 1879:

"While not a link is missing of the historical chain so far as the romance of the House of Judah is concerned, the Israelites who were subjected by the Assyrian power disappear from the page of history as suddenly and completely as though the land of their captivity had swallowed them up... the Ten Tribes are certainly in existence, all that has to be done is to discover which people represent them."

The Jewish Religion by Isaac Leiser, Vol. 1, page 256:

"By the return of the captives from Babylon, the Israelites were not restored, since the Ten Tribes... were left in banishment and to this day the researches of travellers and wise men have not been able to trace their fate."

Rabbi A. H. Fink of Temple Immanuel - Spokane, U.S.A., in reply to the same question stated:

"The Jews do not claim to represent the Twelve Tribes for the Ten Tribes never returned from captivity and are LOST to history"

Rev. Elieser Bassin - born of wealthy and pious Jewish parents in Russia, in his book "British and Jewish Fraternity" says:

"The Hebrew Scriptures point to the British Isles as the home of God's first-born."

"It is my conviction that Britain is the nation with whom God has from first to last identified Himself. I an Israelite of the House of Judah, claim you (British) as Israelites of the House of Ephraim. As believers in the faithfulness of our Covenant keeping God I call you to awake from your sleep."





The Jews live in the state of Israel and practice Judaism.
It was formed in Babylon,not the Religion of the Bible.

Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser wrote, "This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. . . Judaism is not the religion of the Bible" (Judaism and the Christian Predicament, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967, p. 59).

Rabbi Moshe M. Maggal, President, National Jewish Information Service wrote: ". . . you will notice the great difference between the Jewish and Christian religions. But these are not all. We consider the two religions so different that one excludes the other. . . we emphasized that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. . . . There is not any similarity between the two concepts" (Letter of August 21, 1961).


Jew
It is a slang term.
All of the Tribes of Israel made up Judah
2 chronicles 11:14:For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the LORD:
2 Chronicles 11:!6:And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.

You are confusing the state of Israel with the Jews in it with the word Jew.
If you have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,look up the word Jew.

The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41, says:"Edom is in Modern Jewery."
 
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Isreal said:
Major fail.

1)The mixed races of Abraham did not count as the legit sons of Abraham. for in Isaac shall they seed be called. Gen 21:12
2) Nations not people. Poor answer
3) Of course you pass. You have no answers
4) Your British argument has little to do with the statement here.
A Great name as GREAT in Great Britain.
That was a feeble attempt to answer these.
5) Rome did try to spread a particular brand of Christipagenism.
6) it means what it says..
7) Yes it was coastal nation but was void of Israelites for nearly 2000 years.

Jews are estimated to be about 15 million out of nearly 7 billion people. How is that innumerable like the sand of the sea? It isn't

The Jews have Not created many nations, but just recreated one that isn't theirs.

Sadly like most Christians you are clueless on this subject..
Harsh words from a user calling herself Israel.

1.The Bible rarely documents the genealogy of the women. There's nothing to suggest his three wives were different races.
2. The different tribes came from different countries and therefore were considered different nations - the nations of the Old Testament are not the same nations we have today.
3. At least I can admit when I have no answer. ;)
4. Actually it has everything to do with your statement. On page 26 you wrote "British is very similar to the Hebrew words for Covenant Man. B'rit Ish are Hebrew words for Covenant and Man". I already explained why this wasn't true.
5. As did Spain, therefore England is not the only superpower to have spread Christianity. Besides, paganism and Christianity were distinctly separate under Roman law - for one thing, paganism was legal.
6. "His seed would stand in the gates of his enemies" - you'll have to explain what that means.
7. So? Britian did not start becoming a superpower until the Elizabethan era.

Incidently, if there are only 14 (not 15) million Jews in the world it's often because they have been the targets of genocide, moreso than many of groups in the world. They are not as keen on conversion as Christians and Muslims are either.
 
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Christian Identity and Kinism both find their roots in BI, in much the same way that Pentecostalism finds its roots in Wesleyan churches and Wesleyan in Anglicanism. Once a duck always a duck. I should do some more work on denominational cladistics

Right,right...
Mainstream Christians look beyond the obvious....
 
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Dagelos said:
I find mainstream Christian ignore the obvious.

The Tribes were not Arab or African - They were Israelite.
Israelites migrated in to Europe,Europe has the marks of identification of Israel not Africa or Asia.
Europe is predominatly Christians,it has identification marks of Israel.
Only Europeans can show blood in the face or turn rosy.
You've clearly missed the point of my argument. For much of this thread you and Isreal have been saying that Europeans are the only descendants of the lost tribes of Isreal. I've given you three examples which prove, using DNA analysis, that other groups of people in the world are also have Jewish roots.

The Israeli government consider the Bnei of India Jewish enough to be given citizenship in Israel. Their authority on who is Jewish and who is not is greater than yours.

I already discussed the origin of Adam's name here.
 
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Right,right...
Mainstream Christians look beyond the obvious....

No, unorthodoxy in all its splendor does that, starting with their conclusion in this case English/Europeans are the only saved ones and going scurrying through the Scriptures to find proof deciding that the only thing they could draw from Scripture is that Israel is chosen therefore they believe Europeans are Israel. Please you had your theology from the get go, don't take me for a fool. I've rebuilt my theology from the Bible every single time I've read it cover to cover, the idea that Europeans are Israel is a twisting of Scripture in order to be racist when God has destroyed any barrier between the nations in acts 2
 
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Harsh words from a user calling herself Israel.

1.The Bible rarely documents the genealogy of the women. There's nothing to suggest his three wives were different races.
2. The different tribes came from different countries and therefore were considered different nations - the nations of the Old Testament are not the same nations we have today.
3. At least I can admit when I have no answer. ;)
4. Actually it has everything to do with your statement. On page 26 you wrote "British is very similar to the Hebrew words for Covenant Man. B'rit Ish are Hebrew words for Covenant and Man". I already explained why this wasn't true.
5. As did Spain, therefore England is not the only superpower to have spread Christianity. Besides, paganism and Christianity were distinctly separate under Roman law - for one thing, paganism was legal.
6. "His seed would stand in the gates of his enemies" - you'll have to explain what that means.
7. So? Britian did not start becoming a superpower until the Elizabethan era.

Incidently, if there are only 14 (not 15) million Jews in the world it's often because they have been the targets of genocide, moreso than many of groups in the world. They are not as keen on conversion as Christians and Muslims are either.
First off I'm not a her and my name is not Israel and again you show yourself speaking non sequiturs.

# 4 had nothing to do with the name of Britian but pointing out the use of GREAT and Abrahams seed would have a Great Name. It can get no simpler than this and you still miss it missy.
I don't think you are ready for this debate.

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