Does Cains punishment support evolution?

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

dagelos said:
What type of Jew did she mean?

I don't care if she meant "Klingon".

I was addressing this doosey of a remark:

Isreal said:
You will never find the scripture that proves Christ was a Jew as many Christians today falsely believe.

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

dagelos said:
Surely,if you think it is not false you have some passages to prove it is fact?

What's with the word 'prove'?

Is that just your own personal choice, or are you using it as an escape hatch, should you be ... shown wrong?

To answer your question:

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Isreal · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Genesis 4:1a And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain,

Yes they had sex but it doesn't say Eve was or wasn't already pregnant at that time. Give me a good reason to leave Cain out of the genealogy of Adam? No where does it record him as a son of Adam.
Even bad sons were listed in the genealogies of their Fathers.

Why did Christ tell the Pharsees that they had killed ALL the prophets starting with Abel, the first prophet(who was killed by Cain)He was pointing to a group of people who were related to Cain.
Many of the Scribes and Pharases were infiltrated by Kenites(of the Caannites) even though it was forbidden for them to join in the congregation of the Lord. These Kenites were of Canaan.. possibly from the line of Cain. the curse of Cain followed them and their Father was Satan or the serpent according to Christ.

During the time of Maccabees Idumeans moved into Hebron and Judea. John Hyrcanus of Judah made a mistake and converted these Edomites and brought them, agaisnt the laws of Yahweh.
Idumeans were of Esua whom Yahweh had indignation for ever.

This is why Yeshu told the phoney Judeans that they were not of Abraham or they would do the works of Abraham. They did not even know that Hebrews had been enslaved in Egypt for approximately 400 years not did they know they were enslaved in Bablyon for years. They told Christ , "we've never been enslaved by anyone."
A Tell tale sign that they were not true Hebrew or Judeans.

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

Isreal said:
Yes they had sex but it doesn't say Eve was or wasn't already pregnant at that time.

Give me a break.

Do you really think I'm going to fall for this garbage?

Isreal said:
Give me a good reason to leave Cain out of the genealogy of Adam?

No, thanks -- let's leave him in, where he belongs.

Isreal said:
No where does it record him as a son of Adam.

Should it?

Isreal said:
Many of the Scribes and Pharases were infiltrated by Kenites(of the Caannites) even though it was forbidden for them to join in the congregation of the Lord. These Kenites were of Canaan.. possibly from the line of Cain. the curse of Cain followed them and their Father was Satan or the serpent according to Christ.

The Canaanites came from Ham, Noah's son.

The Kenites were Midianites.

Isreal · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
John 4:7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
John 4:8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
John 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

The word there "Jew" is

G2453
Ἰουδαῖος
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); Judaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: -

More appropriately called Judean.

'Aios' in Greek means belonging to as in Belonging to Juda- (Juda- ean) Same as aean

Yeshu gave her an answered but did not affirm the comment about being a Judean or Jew. He changed gears.

Now he could have been a Judean since he was born in Judea but everyone knew him as a Galilean which was like a different world.

Yeshua said he was only sent for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
IF he was of Judah then did come back for his people? Yes all 12 tribes were scattered according to James 1:1. They were in Galatia, Pontus, Asia(minor) & Brithnia. They were Galatians and Cimmerians that were sojourning to the West.. Pilate was from Pontus and could have very well belong to the Lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Judeans came to mean several things.
One could be born in Judea or just living there or of the line of Judah.

Galilee was not part of Judea or of the Jews.

Galilee was pronounced GAULiyl in Hebrew

Gaul/Gawl was a common word in Hebrew.
Golan heights and Golan were called Gaulanitis by the Greeks which meant "Belonging to Gaul or GAULan"

Gilgal was pronounced GilGAUL
IGAl was pronounced Igaul and the name of several Hebrew boys.

The Israelites come to be called GAULS and Galiatia got it's name from them after the Assyrian captivity..

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AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

Isreal said:
The word there "Jew" is

Your speaking-in-tongues-to-make-your-point aside, Jesus was from the tribe of Judah.

And who is "Yahweh"?

Isreal · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Give me a break.

Do you really think I'm going to fall for this garbage?

No, thanks -- let's leave him in, where he belongs.

Should it?

The Canaanites came from Ham, Noah's son.

The Kenites were Midianites.

It's not garbage. IF he was Fathered by Adam then he should have been listed in Adams genealogy if he had sons. It's simple. All Adams children were listed in Adams genealogy accept for Abel who had no children and Cain fathered sons so why was he not listed?
Cain had a son named Enoch but he was never called Adams seed.

There were men on earth called creatures of the earth who were created before Adam. These creatures had hands and feet and even wore sackcloth and repented along side of Israelites.

Yahweh sent some of these creatures to help build the great city

There were two common words to describe men in the scripture.
Adam & Ish

In a more detailed look you can find Adamites to mean men who repented and ISh-men to be unrepented men who lie.

Cain was a unrepentant liar from the beginning.
Same as the Scribes and Pharasee Christ railed against.
Lairs from he beginning like their Father Satan the old serpent.
Christ and john his cousin a.k.a the Baptist called them Offspring of Serpents often transcribed as Generations of serpents.

Num 26:64 But among these there was not a man(ISH) of them whom Moses and Aaron the priest numbered, when they numbered the children of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai.

Num 23:19 God is not a man(ISH), that he should lie; neither the son of man(Adam), that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

When you see the words "son of Man" it literally means
"son of Adam"

Christ, Moses and many other prophets were called "sons of Adam" and not simply sons of man.

To call only some "Sons of Adam" would seem to imply that some sons were not of Adam yes?

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

Isreal said:
All Adams children were listed in Adams genealogy...

No, they weren't.

Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Start naming names, please.

Isreal · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
No, they weren't.

Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Start naming names, please.

You're right, I mean the main sons or righteous line was named. Why wasn't Cain if he was Adams first born son and had sons?

He was never mentioned as a son of Adam
You made one argument and rightly so but you missed the other information I gave you.

dagelos · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
I don't care if she meant "Klingon".

I was addressing this doosey of a remark:

Can you answer that remark? The word Jew has meanings....

dagelos · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
What's with the word 'prove'?

Is that just your own personal choice, or are you using it as an escape hatch, should you be ... shown wrong?

To answer your question:

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

How does that prove rapture?

dagelos · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Your speaking-in-tongues-to-make-your-point aside, Jesus was from the tribe of Judah.

And who is "Yahweh"?

See here how Jew is used to be the same as Judea...

John 7:1:After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. - KJV

John 7:1:And after these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Judaea, because the Jews sought to kill him. - American Standard Version

See how these to words could be used the same?

What was Judea?

Matthew 4:25:And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.

Mark 3:7:But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,

Mark 1:5:And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Matthew 2:5:And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

Isreal said:
You're right, I mean the main sons or righteous line was named. Why wasn't Cain if he was Adams first born son and had sons?

Because the righteous line starts with Seth, not Cain.

Isreal said:
He was never mentioned as a son of Adam

That interpretation requires Eve to be pregnant from another man; and I won't even dignify that with a comment.

Here are the two lines:

1. Adam → Cain → Enoch → Irad → Mehujael → Methusael → Lamech -- (Genesis 4).

2. Adam → Seth → Enos → Cainan → Maleleel → Jared → Enoch -- (Luke 3).

Guess which line Jesus came from? not to mention Noah?

Keachian · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Because the righteous line starts with Seth, not Cain.

That interpretation requires Eve to be pregnant from another man; and I won't even dignify that with a comment.

Here are the two lines:

1. Adam → Cain → Enoch → Irad → Mehujael → Methusael → Lamech -- (Genesis 4).

2. Adam → Seth → Enos → Cainan → Maleleel → Jared → Enoch -- (Luke 3).

Guess which line Jesus came from? not to mention Noah?

the second is also found in Gen 5

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

dagelos said:
How does that prove rapture?

Let me say this again.

Rapture will be proven by Jesus Christ, not by any of us.

If you want proof of the Rapture, you're going to have to wait -- like the rest of us.

And for the record, I'm not waiting on proof, I'm waiting on what the Bible calls it: the "blessed hope".

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

dagelos said:
See here how Jew is used to be the same as Judea...

And I'll say it again: Jesus was specifically from the tribe of Judah, which makes Him a Jew from the Jews -- or, better yet, King of the Jews.

dagelos · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
And I'll say it again: Jesus was specifically from the tribe of Judah, which makes Him a Jew from the Jews -- or, better yet, King of the Jews.

....And what does Jew mean?

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

dagelos said:
....And what does Jew mean?

From a DNA perspective:

In its narrow sense, it refers to those of the tribe of Judah.
In its broad sense, it refers to anyone from the sons of Jacob, i.e. the 12 tribes.

It also referred, at one time, to the two southern tribes of Judah and Simeon, as opposed to 'Ephraim', which stood for the 10 northern tribes.

dagelos · Feb 17, 2012

AV1611VET said:
From a DNA perspective:

In its narrow sense, it refers to those of the tribe of Judah.

In its broad sense, it refers to anyone from the sons of Jacob, i.e. the 12 tribes.

It also referred, at one time, to the two southern tribes of Judah and Simeon, as opposed to 'Ephraim', which stood for the 10 northern tribes.

Google the text ''origin of the word Jew'' - Here is an extract

For example: two of the best known 18th century editions of the New Testament in English are the Rheims (Douai) Edition and the King James Authorized Edition and both contain the word word "Jew." Yet, when the English language version of the Rheims (Douai) New Testament was first printed in 1582 the word "Jew" did NOT appear in it. Similarly the King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English (begun in 1604) and first published in 1611, here too the word "Jew" did NOT appear. That is, the word "Jew" first appeared in both these well known editions in their 18th century revised versions. The combination of the Protestant Reformation, the publication of the revised English language 18th century editions and the printing press (allowing unlimited quantities of the New Testament to be printed) meant the wide distribution of these English language Bibles throughout the English speaking world. That is, among people who had never possessed a copy of the New Testament in any language but who were now in possession of one in their native tongue. And, although these 18th century editions first introduced the word "Jew" to the English language the word as it was used in these has since continued in use in all the editions of the New Testament in the English language.

Read more here....

Origin of the Word Jew

AV1611VET · Feb 17, 2012

dagelos said:
Similarly the King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English (begun in 1604) and first published in 1611, here too the word "Jew" did NOT appear.http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/origin_of_the_word_jew.html

I don't know where you're getting your information, but I happen to have a digitally remastered 1st edition 1611 KJV, and here is the first time "Jew" appears in the Scriptures:

Efther 2:5 said:
Now in Shushan the palace, there was a certaine Iew, whose name was Mordecai, the sonne of Iair, the sonne of Shimei, the sonne of Kish, a Benjamite,

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