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I do not know what you are tring to say but the fact is that there is no Biblical record of Jesus being washed before or after the cross.y
Good question. I found this commentary:
John 1:32 – when Jesus was baptized, He was baptized in the water and the Spirit, which descended upon Him in the form of a dove. The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism. Also, Jesus’ baptism was not the Christian baptism He later instituted. Jesus’ baptism was instead a royal anointing of the Son of David (Jesus) conferred by a Levite (John the Baptist) to reveal Christ to Israel, as it was foreshadowed in 1 Kings 1:39 when the Son of David (Solomon) was anointed by the Levitical priest Zadok. See John 1:31; cf. Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:9; Luke 3:21.
SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM - Scripture Catholic
A penny for your thoughts.
If a local church has statements of belief that it admits go beyond the essentials (those core beliefs that unite us all in Christ), have they added to scripture? Are they no longer gathering around the Gospel, and instead gathering around their own specific system of thinking?
Let me give an example: Suppose a local church identifies two categories of doctrines: 1) The core Gospel message and doctrines which unite every believer in the body of Christ; and 2) The doctrines added to the core that unite this particular local body of believers - that one must hold in order to be a member of the local body.
Category 1 would include things like the sinfulness of man, the divinity of Christ, Christ's atonement for our sins, etc.
Category 2 would include additional doctrines - for the purpose of this example let's say the doctrine of Eternal Security.
By admitting that people can believe contrary to doctrines that fall in category 2 and still be brothers / sisters in Christ as long as they hold to all doctrine in category 1, has the local church elevated the category 2 doctrines to the level of scripture? Have they elevated their own personal beliefs to the level of God's Truth? Would this make this local body more of a club than a local church body? You can organize clubs around anything from an interest in stamp collecting to an affinity for Star Trek. But can you legitimately organize a local church around beliefs that are admittedly open for Christian debate?
When you stand behind the pulpit and declare eternal salvation as Fact without qualifying it with "I believe", and without pointing out that other saved Christians believe differently, are you raising your particular belief to a higher level to which it does not belong?
Long post. Thank you for your patience and your loving responses. This has been weighing on me lately. Trying to figure out how to rightly understand these questions.
You are in agreement with the Council or Orange, 5th century, that condemned Pelagianism, a heresy that taught salvation by works. Salvation by works apart from the grace of Christ was also condemned at the Council of Trent. Yet the myth won't go away.Bible is pretty clear about that.
Gospel - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Saved - Ephesians 1:13-14
Free gift - Ephesians 2:8-9
Any other gospel : Galatians 1:8-9
If your pastor want you to wash his car so you can be saved , you can leave that church or rebuke him and then leave .
Jesus wasn't conceived in the same sense we understand conception, He was incarnated.
Interesting sceneiro. Do you believe that this "roll of scripture" would have included the New Testament as we know it today in the first century?
You start from the assumption that I am ignorant.
Always a good way to derail the discussion.
Jesus' baptism was a "type" of washing.
DO you believe the scriptures talk of "types"?
If not, you need t go back and read some more.
God Bless
Till all are one.
1). I do not think so. Jesus had nothing to be cleansed from.
John's baptism was for repentance of sin, and as a sign of total commitment to their soon to be new life in the Messiah, (Christ). It was to show that everyone has to come to God on the same terms. That did not apply to Jesus.
Water Baptism can be likened to marriage rings. In marriage, people wear wedding rings to indicate their total commitment to one another, and so that others will know they are married.
Water baptism lets the world know they have been born-again and are now members of the Bride of Christ, totally committed to Him as their Lord and Savior.
2). YES.
Like I said, I read in the commentary by Donald Grey Barnhouse on the baptism of Jesus in Romans where he pointed out that Jesus' baptism is compared to the washing of the sacrifice in Leviticus.
I agree, Jesus had no sins, He had nothing to be cleansed from.
The only reason to explain why Jesus' submitted to Baptism was because of His coming sacrifice.
God Bless
Till all are one.
I would say the the only reason was to set an example of obedience.
Matthew 3:16
And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him.
"As by the immersion of His body He dedicated the laver of baptism, He has shewn that to us also, after baptism received, the entrance to heaven is open and the Holy Spirit is given, as it follows, "and the heavens were opened."
This is a great passage proving the necessity of Baptism for Salvation.,
Absolutely a wrong exegesis of Scripture.
You said................
"This is a great passage proving the necessity of Baptism for Salvation."
Why in the world would you think that the Man-God, Jesus Christ who was 100% man and 100% God require baptism for salvation?????.
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