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I keep hearing about the "doctrine of impartation." Apparently it is a new doctrine. Can someone tell us, from your understanding, just what the Doctrine of Impartation actually is?

Do you believe in it? Why? Why not?

~Jim

Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell them "Certainly I can!"


and get busy and find out how to do it. ~Theodore Roosevelt
 
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Numbers 16 23 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

24 Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get you up from about the tabernacle
of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.

25 And Moses rose up and went unto Dathan and Abiram; and the elders of
Israel followed him.

26 And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the
tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be
consumed in all their sins
.

27 So they gat up from the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, on every
side: and Dathan and Abiram came out, and stood in the door of their
tents, and their wives, and their sons, and their little children.

28 And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do
all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.

29 If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the
visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me.

30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and
swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down
quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked
the LORD.

31 And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words,
that the ground clave asunder that was under them:

32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses,
and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.

In my opinion...

It is a form of transmission...

And from my own experience...

It has both positive and negative results...

Depending on what is being transmitted of course...

i.e. what is/was the state of the source of the energy that is being passed on...
 
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I did a search on 'doctrine of impartation' and the first site listed declared it a doctrine of demons and the third was to a link to the Randy Clark School of Healing and Impartation where Randy is credited as being one of the key figures in the beginning of the Toronto revival over a decade ago.

I just thought the results were interesting.
 
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Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your
faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel
of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in
my prayers;

1:10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a
prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual
gift
, to the end ye may be established;

1:12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual
faith both of you and me.
 
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I keep hearing about the "doctrine of impartation." Apparently it is a new doctrine. Can someone tell us, from your understanding, just what the Doctrine of Impartation actually is?

Do you believe in it? Why? Why not?

~Jim

Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell them "Certainly I can!"


and get busy and find out how to do it. ~Theodore Roosevelt

Never heard of it - link? References?

Anything?
 
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I am a Spirit-filled believer who was born-again in a full face to face salvation with the Lord. The Lord uses me in the gift of impartation. The Lord uses me in the gift of impartation in that, for example, I can read the Bible out loud to people and they can receive impartation of my doctrinal understanding without me teaching or speaking anything but the Word -- which is a gift of impartation.

Since you started the thread on the gift in which the Lord uses me, I thought I'd join the thread.

Grace and peace.
 
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Justsurfing... all of us who are born again are born again in every sense of the word. There are not differing levels or degrees. Your post disturbs me.

A person's giftings may be more powerful in manifestation than most, or they may not. Either way, a person is neither more nor less born again due to having seen open visions, received or worked miracles etc.
 
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Jim, I believe all of us human beings do impart something by our presence, our spirit, which can be spiritually or otherwise received by others.

If we are Christians, the Holy Spirit is the source of that impartation, and good things will result.

We are individuals, God values diversity within our unity, and so the manifestation of our impartations will differ. Some may be loud, bright, impressive to the natural mind, some more subtle, yet still infinitley powerful in the spiritual realm.

Many who suffer under the illusion that they are powerless do not realise how much the Lord is working through them to impart good things to their brothers and sisters through their "mere" presence among us. God bless them.
 
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What I have seen by reading and listening to freinds who are strongly associated with this impartation movement, is that they are tired of holding meetings where only a few songs are sung and a message is spoken.

Messages or sermons are now no longer needed, but are being replaced by impartations, or workings within the inner man that come by three means: music, the laying on of hands, and words of knowledge. Great evidence for this can be seen in the Todd Bentley services. He does not speak a message to the people, but rants on and on about the glory and power. There is no message that comes from him.

And this is exactly what such adherents profess, that the days when we sat around listening to one sermon after another has come to an end. Sermons are an unnecessary, older part of a past era. What the Church needs today is a touch from God, healing, deliverance, ability, and not a library of CDs and cassettes instructing us in sound doctrine.

Dave
 
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Never heard of it - link? References?

Anything?

Actually, I am hoping for some scriptural support for impartation. Lacking that, however, it has to go into weird new theologies trashbin with a lot of other doctrines.

What I understand it to be is that we can “impart” spiritual giftings from one person to another by the laying on of hands. I do not believe this because I believe every believer has access to any spiritual gift at any time it is needed from the moment they are converted (Eph. 1.3; 2 Pet. 1.3)—hence, there is no need to impart something that is already available. I think the proof text for "impartation" is Romans 1.11.

I have also heard one minister, usually one who is highly-anointed minister (i.e. one with a TV show and large mailing list), can impart his fame (I think they call it “anointing”) to another minister by laying hands. R.W. Shambach, I hear, has “imparted” his “anointing” to Rod Parsely. Since every believer is already anointed by God (2 Cor. 1.21; 1 John 2.20, 27).

So, what else is this new doctrine teaching?

~Jim

Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell them "Certainly I can!"


and get busy and find out how to do it. ~Theodore Roosevelt
 
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What I have seen by reading and listening to freinds who are strongly associated with this impartation movement, is that they are tired of holding meetings where only a few songs are sung and a message is spoken.

Messages or sermons are now no longer needed, but are being replaced by impartations, or workings within the inner man that come by three means: music, the laying on of hands, and words of knowledge. Great evidence for this can be seen in the Todd Bentley services. He does not speak a message to the people, but rants on and on about the glory and power. There is no message that comes from him.

And this is exactly what such adherents profess, that the days when we sat around listening to one sermon after another has come to an end. Sermons are an unnecessary, older part of a past era. What the Church needs today is a touch from God, healing, deliverance, ability, and not a library of CDs and cassettes instructing us in sound doctrine.

Dave

I am hearing what you are saying. Do such actually believe that teaching the word and listening to sermons are not neccessary? Or is this an extrapolation of yours based on a personal disagreement with their theology, such as it is?

Serious question, not an attack.

For my part, though I defend the revival because as Jesus said, "He who is not against us is for our part", I personally quit watching it regularly because there was no Word being preached or taught. And I am hungry for the Word.

The manifest presence of God comes and goes as the Spirit wills for Gods own purposes in the earth, but my faith is not in a manifestation of the manifest presence of God, but in His Word.

I could accept "impartation" as it is being described here to be what God is doing today, but I could not accept that it replaces the Word, and makes sermons irrelevent.

Peace...
 
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Where I have difficulty with this “impartation” thing is that “special” men are seen to impart their “special-ness” to other “special” people so they, too, can be even more “special.” My guess is, this is done with a big audience present to witness it and to marvel. Rather than go through this marvelous “impartation” ceremony why not just sell him your mailing list and get it over with?

IMO, this impartation thing goes against the whole tenor of leadership in the body of Christ. None of us are “special” (or, better, all of us are special) and the way to leadership is through serving others, not by being elevated above others in some public ceremony. We serve from our knees with a water basin, not from the chief seats in the synagogue.

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We are like teabags – we never know our true strength until we are in hot water.
 
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I understand your concern Jim. I suppose I misunderstood your original question. I do believe we are able to impart things to each other spiritually, but I, like you, have concerns about "special" labels for individuals. That's not what it's about, to my mond, but of course when human beings are invloved, there's always a liklihood it can become so.
 
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“But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,” (1 Tim. 4:1)

Over the past few decades, and into the 21st Century, I believe that Christians have been seduced and deceived into a false belief and doctrine of the “impartation of theanointing”, which began in the Charismatic movement three decades ago. This doctrine and belief has infiltrated into most churches, and has been over-emphasised through a number of revivalists and their revival centres, such as Toronto Airport Church, Holy Bromptom Church in England, or the Brownsville Assembly of God, and now Lakeland’s, Florida revival, who have promoted an alleged movement of God and revivals through great “signs and wonders”.

The false doctrine has been taught over the past years that the “Spiritual Gifts” are transmitted, or imparted through the laying-on-of-hands.

Biblically, when a Christian is born again, their “spirit” is filled with the Holy Spirit, and if they “desire the Spiritual Gifts” (see 1 Corinthians 13:27-31 & 14:1) then our Lord Jesus Christ will impart those Gifts, divinely. There is nothing written in His Word in regards to the “impartation” or the “laying-on-of-hands” for such divine anointing.

“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” (1 Cor. 12:13)

Therefore, if we have the Holy Spirit at conversion, then what has another person to “impart”to others?

Biblically, we assume that each Christian has all of the Holy Spirit that they have, therefore, there is nothing that another person can impart through the laying-on-of-hands.

Through my own personal experiences, when hands were laid upon me, I have occasionally felt a power flow from a few mature Christians, but still became very wary on what else they may be imparting upon me.

On a number of occasions, there was a power that was so great, I fell to the floor, forward, and not backwards, as per the specific rituality that is played out in most churches. I wasn’t faking it, as I have seen some others do. It was a literal, real experience of something greater than my body could physically stand up to. On one occasion I wasn’t even being prayed for, and the Holy Spirit came upon me. And that is another story in itself.

I have seen many get up on the platform with those high-flying, TV evangelists, draped in “gold” and “expensive clothing”, and seen them floored by a power greater than they could withstand. What was this power? There is no easy answer, but what I saw is for certain, that it wasn’t the power of the Holy Spirit flowingfrom the ministering evangelist, who was conducting their well rehearsed rituality.
My “charismatic”teaching of the past taught me that this was the power of the Holy Spirit flowing into me, or I was receiving an anointing for some new part of my personal ministry. It made some sense in those early days of my renewal.

“For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift, so that you may be established” (Rom. 1:11)

This verse is an example of Paul exercising his “Spiritual Gifts” and in doing so he would bless the Romans. This verse wasn’t saying that Paul was going to bestow, or impart “Spiritual Gifts” of teaching, healing or prophecy. This is the only time that the term “impart” has been used in the NT in regards to “Spiritual Gifts”, and in Ephesians 4:29, “Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.” of the KJV and NKJV.

In the translation of the Greek term for “impart” (metadidomi), it means, “to give over”, that is, “to share, give, impart”.

In Romans, Paul “desires to impart” to the Rome believers some Spiritual Gift (pneumatikos charismakos) so that the early Christian’s church may be established. Even in Acts we find that when the Holy Spirit came in power, it was always due to the direct ministry of an Apostles, or their indirect ministry, such as Peter preaching at Cornelius house and while Peter preached the Holy Spirit came upon them, “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.” (Acts 10:44).

The ability “to impart”, “to share”, “to give” charismatic gifts was the sole realm of an Apostle. We see Simon preaching to the Samaritans but when the time came fro them to receive the Holy Spirit, Simon had to allow Peter to do this ministry by saying, “’Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.’ But Peter said to him, ‘Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you’” (Acts 8:19-22).

From this we can see that Simon wasn’t an Apostle, he was being presumptuous, and he thought that he could buy this ability.

Furthermore, as you read the letters from the Apostles, there is no doctrine detailing the “impartation of gifts or anointing”, because they all knew that this was an apostolic duty. We also need to realise that “signs and wonders” were never part-and-parcel of the Christian life or experience of those days. The only ones who worked great miracles in the NT were either the Apostles, or those they had imparted gifts unto according to the will of God, as per1 Corinthians 12:11 below. “Signs and wonders” were not an everyday occurrence in those early days.

“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to (imparted to) each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” (1 Cor. 12:7-11)
 
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When the Samaritans received the Holy Spirit it was a shock to the Jewish believers in Jerusalem. Why can this be so, they thought, because it had been a decade since that happened on the Day of Pentecost, and it wasn’t an everyday occurrence? Many Christians today seem to loose sight of these facts of Biblical truth of the NT when reading the book of Acts.

If those Christians are being truthful with God's Word and their belief and faith, then they must admit that the only two “impartation” texts in the NT used to attempt to prove the validity of their belief in the “impartation of gifts” today, belong solely to the true original Biblical Apostles.

We all know that when the original apostles died, there were no more Apostles after them. Their job was done, as they had laid down the foundation for His Church and for the past 2,000 years. We need to also realise that when the Apostles were near the time of their death, there was nothing written in regards to who was to receive their “Apostolic Mantle”.

Since then, there has been no record of any type of “Apostolic Succession”, only those who self-anointed themselves. We need to look at the legality of it all, for an example: if Paul laid his hands on us, and our Lord Jesus Christ chose to give us a specific gift, then we weren’t given the ability to pass that gift along to others, as what is being practiced today by many, in the 21st Century.

Those who believe in this form of “divine impartation” via a human means, then they need to ask themselves if they are “false teachers”? To preach, and teach a “doctrine of impartation” is a false doctrine. There is no valid “impartation of spiritual gifts” via the laying-on-of-hands today.

All these great revivals and experiences are due to their own mind-set, and searching for a sensitive-feeling and meaning release, which comes about by a hype in a large gathering of Christians, who are at all different levels of maturity, such as wayside, stony, thorny, 30-fold, 60-fold and 100-fold Christians, who are seduced and deceived at different levels.

It all begins with the rituality of calling people to stand up and come to the front; and those people respond accordingly to the demand, depending on the hype. Then when they approach, they expect that a “catcher” will be positioned behind them, therefore ensuring a safe catch, which they want, because it’s their “heart’s desires”. Hand are laid upon their forehead, or words, “BAM” are pronounced over them; and they fall down, caught by the “catcher”, and laid carefully down on the floor. Some go through different manifestations, and some embarrassing manifestations at times.

The stage had been set long before anyone moved to the front, a mind-set created by the hype, and the “catchers” positioning themselves behind them. Now, I wonder how many would fall down if there were no “catchers”? Not many, if any, I’ve seen it far too many times. I can remember one time I went down without a “catcher” and the ministering leaders hadn’t even got to me. Nearly broke my elbow, and still carry the cracked bone in my elbow. What was that, and where was our Lord Jesus Christ to protect me? Was it a demon in me avoiding the Holy Spirit, or was it the Holy Spirit showing me the falseness of it all. And I’ve never fallen down since by remote control, or “slam-bam” technique on the forehead.

When it all comes down to the nitty-gritty, it’s all a pre-conditioned emotional response of sensitive-feeling and needing Christians wanting their “heart’s desires”. Many are fake their fall, many are a demonic inspired, many are controlled by the ministering leader, many are given their heart’s desire, and that small percentage are given His Desires.

When we get conned by a self-anointed person, it becomes very difficult, as there is also peer pressure, and many do not go down, and the look on the ministering leader’s face can determine the level of their “pride”. When hands are laid upon us and we do feel what appears to be a real, legitimate force, and we discern that it’s not legitimate, then we can put it down to an “unholy spirit”, as many immature Christians dabble and intrude into the spiritual realm via many other ways through practices that they consider as harmless, such practices is Christian Wicca, and Christian Reiki.

These people who become involved in other religion’s and new age practices from false teaching and beliefs through the various heretical concepts and practices, they then open themselves up to further seduction and deception; and Satan and his forces are glad to provide our “heart’s desires” through demonic spiritual experiences for those who are already seduced and deceived by the doctrine of demons.

These days, there is much infiltration of practices stolen from the occult, witchcraft, other religions, and eastern forms of mysticism. The many practices are: Christian Mysticism through “prayer soaking”, and “contemplative prayer”; Christian Wicca; Christian Reiki; Christian Yoga; and Christian Martial Arts. Now those people, who practice these things, then come along and lay hands on His Disciples, and impart “unholy spirits” of the serpent power, or spirit guides, or demons, or deities of those practices.

No Christian has anything to impart to His Disciples via a supernatural experience or gift through their hands. It’s false teaching and doctrine, led by seducing, deceiving, and counterfeit spirits through the doctrine of demons.

Those people who are: thrown through the air; shake-rattling-and-rolling; swaying backwards and forwards like the waves of the sea; laughing extremely; and/or drunk in the spirit are common occurrences at most of these so-called “Revival Centres”, that promote these manifestations are providing the launching platform for the powers of darkness, and the impartation of “unholy spirits”, and not by the Holy Spirit.

I recognise that I am going to offend many by my rash and rude statements, and I am very sorry if that is so, but before you begin accusing me, first “test the spirits”, then “test the fruit”, and then be a Berean and check their teaching by His Inspired Word.

Always remember that our Lord Jesus Christ isn’t in the game of embarrassing His Servants by all these so-called manifestations of HIM. And if HE is in controlled, then why do you want “catchers”?
 
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All these great revivals and experiences are due to their own mind-set, and searching for a sensitive-feeling and meaning release, which comes about by a hype in a large gathering of Christians, who are at all different levels of maturity, such as wayside, stony, thorny, 30-fold, 60-fold and 100-fold Christians, who are seduced and deceived at different levels.


:o Bit of a sweeping statement!
 
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