Yes, all human souls will exist for eternity. Some receive an incorruptble/imortal body (if you want Scripture referrences I will give them). Others, as I have said, using Jesus' words, will be in hell for eternity.ps139 said:
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Yes, all human souls will exist for eternity. Some receive an incorruptble/imortal body (if you want Scripture referrences I will give them). Others, as I have said, using Jesus' words, will be in hell for eternity.ps139 said:So are you now saying that all human souls will exist for eternity. Frankly I do not understand what point you are trying to make. A moment ago I thought we were debating now we seem to be agreeing on the very thing I thought we were debating??
Sorry for the misunderstanding, hola, it seems we were in agreement the whole time!hola said:Yes, all human souls will exist for eternity. Some receive an incorruptble/imortal body (if you want Scripture referrences I will give them). Others, as I have said, using Jesus' words, will be in hell for eternity.
No problem friend,ps139 said:Sorry for the misunderstanding, hola, it seems we were in agreement the whole time!
Think about this...God has given to every person a measure of faith. This, as I've described in other places can be understood by the parable of the seed and the sower. God scattered his seed, the word of God-as the Bible says. The "word of faith" was preached by Paul....be careful because there is a "Word of Faith" movement out there that may not be the same thing. Do you see the connection so far: seed=word=faith. God has given to every man a measure of faith. Jesus also described faith the size of a mustard seed in the Gospels as well. The question is...what will they do with this "word". God is able to reveal truth or himself to anyone by his Spirit....so if by chance someone did not "hear" by a man, God is able to speak by his Spirit. He has spoken to me by his Holy Spirit before....I testify that he can speak to anyone, and that he has to me. So in any event...every person will in some way hear the gospel. "Ye must be born again." What will you do with this seed given to you?G4m said:What if you never hear and hence never reject?
What about those who can't act on that seed before they die? Such as a baby?hola said:Think about this...God has given to every person a measure of faith. This, as I've described in other places can be understood by the parable of the seed and the sower. God scattered his seed, the word of God-as the Bible says. The "word of faith" was preached by Paul....be careful because there is a "Word of Faith" movement out there that may not be the same thing. Do you see the connection so far: seed=word=faith. God has given to every man a measure of faith. Jesus also described faith the size of a mustard seed in the Gospels as well. The question is...what will they do with this "word". God is able to reveal truth or himself to anyone by his Spirit....so if by chance someone did not "hear" by a man, God is able to speak by his Spirit. He has spoken to me by his Holy Spirit before....I testify that he can speak to anyone, and that he has to me. So in any event...every person will in some way hear the gospel. "Ye must be born again." What will you do with this seed given to you?
hola said:I did address this in my post #25
The believers with the Holy Spirit don't need to worry about separation from God, they have God in them...that' pretty close!
David said, "even if I was in hell (with his current relationship with the Lord the same), God would be with me". Why? The Holy Spirit was in David.
Job 26:6Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.hola said:Or don't you base your "christian" beliefs on the Bible at all?
Very good question!G4m said:What about those who can't act on that seed before they die? Such as a baby?
We trust in the mercy of God in those cases. But it would be a lie to say we knew for certain what happens, simply because we are not The Judge.G4m said:What about those who can't act on that seed before they die? Such as a baby?
ps139 said:I think you've got the right idea, Brother Simon.
God loves all of His creations. But if we reject Him, then we separate ourselves from Him, reject His gift of grace - then how can we enter Heaven? And besides Heaven, where else can we go? Hell.
Evil is the absence of God. If we do not accept God, then we go where He is not.
Hell/Hades is actually different than the Lake of Fire. Please refer to Revelation 20:14. So even if David or other believers were once in Hell/Hades....when he takes them to be with him, some may think he has already (I'm not stating my position)...would it be correct then to say that before he casts Hell/Hades into the Lake of Fire, he'll take his believers out. Hence, God is not in the Lake of Fire if his people are not.....Does that clear up things? (Instant revelation). Even if David or Jonah or anyone else were in Hell/Hades, they would not be in the Lake of Fire. Where I said God would not be....my "hell" was actually the Lake of Fire. I am now corrected on wrong usage of terminology and understanding. But in the Lake of Fire....God is not there nor in it, as stated before. God is in the midst of HIS people.G4m said:Job 26:6Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.
Proverbs 15:11Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?
Amos 9:2Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
Acts 2:31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
hola said:Hola friend,
A couple wise friends helped me understand part of this some time ago. You see, God IS our salvation....if and only if we have God, we are saved. Now God does love everybody. He doesn't want any to perish. The only reason that people go to hell is because they choose to. They reject God, their salvation.
Hell is the only place where God is not, and nothing of his character is there. It's the only place where people choose to go to actually get completely away from God. They are completely separated from God. Think about the fruit of the Holy Spirit (if you want to describe God's character or nature)...love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. None of those things will be in hell, because God is not there. Neither will hope (as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13, and other Scriptures). No one in hell will ever have any hope of leaving hell or things getting better for them. Why not? As I said....they chose to be separated from God. To be separated from God is to be separated from salvation, and any hope of going to heaven, and any hope of not going to hell.
ps139 said:We trust in the mercy of God in those cases. But it would be a lie to say we knew for certain what happens, simply because we are not The Judge.
But Jesus had such a love for children, and I totally disagree with that old preacher (Jonathan Edwards?) who claimed that the road to hell is paved with skulls of unbaptized babies. I think he was more into shock tactics. Our Lord is merciful. I believe these babies go to heaven, but thats just my belief.
What more could I say....well.....HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!genez said:David spoke as the prophet he was when he spoke about his newborn son who just died.
"David noticed that his servants were whispering among themselves and he realized the child was dead. "Is the child dead?" he asked.
"Yes," they replied, "he is dead."
Then David got up from the ground. After he had washed, put on lotions and changed his clothes, he went into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he went to his own house, and at his request they served him food, and he ate.
His servants asked him, "Why are you acting this way? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept, but now that the child is dead, you get up and eat!"
He answered, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me." 2 Samuel 12:19-23 niv
David knew he was to see his son again.....
Grace in peace, GeneZ
No one will go to hell because they haven't heard of Jesus Christ. They will go to hell for lying, stealing, murder, rape, idolatry, etc. Sin isn't failing to hear the gospel. Rather, sin is transgressing against the Law. We all have a conscience that is God's Law written on our hearts. We know when we sin, because the Spirit convicts us of it. God's Spirit is given to all man for this reason. We can and will be shown that God is real by not only our creation, but also by God's Spirit witnessing to our spirit.saltoearth said:How can someone who has never even heard the gospel REPENT of their sins and believe in Jesus if they don't know who he is? How have all these people 'choosen' to go to hell?
Do you believe that those without the gospel will be given salvation even though they didn't believe in Jesus? Or do you believe that ANYONE who has not Believed on Jesus will suffer in hell forever?
I do believe in age of accountability and even beyond that, I have faith in Jesus Christ, who said in Matthew 11:25;hola said:The Scriptures say that God has given to all people a measure of faith. I think that means all. Some try to understand the "age of accountabitly" thing...I have been able to yet. If God has given all people "faith", which I have been describing in more detail on other posts concerning how we handle this faith....all I can say for babies is that God only knows.....I think he would take them to Heaven. You gave me something to pray about, and I would like to know if you find the answer as well....please tell me if you do find out. Is that a sufficient answer for now.....I'll have to reply to another one of yours I think....
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