Do your religious beliefs effect HOW you play games?

[Utah Knight]

Yes it does i am the same with online games as i am here

 

[peanutbutter12]

So it's really just what consequences you're willing to deal with.

You also would have to consider that in a Godless world, people would see morality differently. Even you.

Right now, you do things a certain way because of your beliefs. In a Godless world, those beliefs wouldn't exist, so you would be doing things differently as well as everyone else. However, a Godless world isn't necessarily a world without morality. I know several atheists who have more morals than a lot of Christians I know simply because of the desire to be good people.

 

[peanutbutter12]

In Oblivion, for example, I've actually gone into a village and slaughtered the entire population, just because I can. It's just something interesting to do in the game.

*snickers*

I've done that several times as well. It's quite amusing.

 

[morningstar2651]

I'm disagreeing with you.

In Oblivion, for example, I've actually gone into a village and slaughtered the entire population, just because I can. It's just something interesting to do in the game.

But...

Even in a world without consequences, without God, sin and any possible repercussions for our actions, I still wouldn't do something so bad as to murder an innocent person or rape someone. I really don't think I, or most people, would cross the line and do those sort of things.

But in a game... it's possible since we know that these are just computer characters.


Has anyone seen the movie, "Groundhog Day"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

I'm disagreeing with you.

In Oblivion, for example, I've actually gone into a village and slaughtered the entire population, just because I can. It's just something interesting to do in the game.

But...

Even in a world without consequences, without God, sin and any possible repercussions for our actions, I still wouldn't do something so bad as to murder an innocent person or rape someone. I really don't think I, or most people, would cross the line and do those sort of things.

But in a game... it's possible since we know that these are just computer characters.


Has anyone seen the movie, "Groundhog Day"?

The reason why you wouldn't do something like that isn't because of the laws, it's because of your conscience! Don't you think that if there wasn't a god, we wouldn't have conscience's? We would all be morbid and sick. Do you really think that wild animals have conscience's? No, they don't. They do what they have to do to survive. That's how we would be.

 

[peanutbutter12]

The reason why you wouldn't do something like that isn't because of the laws, it's because of your conscience! Don't you think that if there wasn't a god, we wouldn't have conscience's? We would all be morbid and sick. Do you really think that wild animals have conscience's? No, they don't. They do what they have to do to survive. That's how we would be.

We have greater understanding than animals do. As I said, I know people who don't believe in God who are more considerate than some of the Christians I know.

 

[FlaymSior]

Just because one doesn't believe in God doesn't mean they are Godless. They simply don't acknowledge Him. In a Godless existence, to clarify, an existence without God, morality would be nothing more than survival of the fittest.

 

[Gottservant]

I play according to conscience because you conscience is designed to help you get the best out of life.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Yeah, KOTOR is a prime example. I tend to put myself in character's positions sometimes. (Especially in silent protagonist roles..) So not only do I scoff at dumb ideals and sexual innuendo, I try to stray from stupid decisions. And it leads me to avoid games like Playboy Mansion and GTA, what worth are there in games like that?

 

[Steezie]

Yeah, KOTOR is a prime example. I tend to put myself in character's positions sometimes. (Especially in silent protagonist roles..) So not only do I scoff at dumb ideals and sexual innuendo, I try to stray from stupid decisions. And it leads me to avoid games like Playboy Mansion and GTA, what worth are there in games like that?

GTA is fun if you make it fun.

What I always loved doing was shooting out all four tires on a car then shooting at the car itself to make the driver panic and speed off. Then follow behind on a bike and watch the confusion.

I prefer Just Cause to GTA though

 

[Breetai]

The reason why you wouldn't do something like that isn't because of the laws, it's because of your conscience! Don't you think that if there wasn't a god, we wouldn't have conscience's? We would all be morbid and sick. Do you really think that wild animals have conscience's? No, they don't. They do what they have to do to survive. That's how we would be.

Don't wild wolves watch out for and protect their pack? Doesn't a mother bear take car of her cubs? Doesn't a mother sparrow feed her young? Doesn't a dog protect its owner, stop from biting hard when playing, and mope around if its owner is gone? Do you call that morbid and sick?

I agree with your premise, but your reasoning and conclusions are way off base. I suggest observing some animals in the wilderness.

I really don't think most people would go about raping and murdering if there was no God... and people knew it. In order for society to actually function, there needs to be order. People realize this with our without morals. Their reasons for doing "what's right" may be different, but it will still happen. I do think that there would be much more crime and many more problems... but a total breakdown of society?

 

[OdwinOddball]

Do my religious beleifs affect my play? No.

But my personal beliefs do to a degree. I am locked into the Chaotic Good Alignment(D&D for those that never played). I act this way in real life, and tend to do so quite strongly in games as well. I basically act as the good guy, but I'll break a law or two if its necessary for the task at hand.

I've tried playing evil before, but I just cant do it through an entire game. i always end up becoming good some where along the way.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

Don't wild wolves watch out for and protect their pack? Doesn't a mother bear take car of her cubs? Doesn't a mother sparrow feed her young? Doesn't a dog protect its owner, stop from biting hard when playing, and mope around if its owner is gone? Do you call that morbid and sick?

I agree with your premise, but your reasoning and conclusions are way off base. I suggest observing some animals in the wilderness.

I really don't think most people would go about raping and murdering if there was no God... and people knew it. In order for society to actually function, there needs to be order. People realize this with our without morals. Their reasons for doing "what's right" may be different, but it will still happen. I do think that there would be much more crime and many more problems... but a total breakdown of society?

Yes, a total breakdown of society. Ok, look at it like this; if there was no God, that would mean that we evolved from a single-celled organism. Then, after everythings said and done, all it would be, is people running around trying to survive and fulfilling their humanly urges. Thus, yes, rape, pillaging, and murder WOULD most certainly go up, because NO morals whatsoever, were handed down to us from our parents. It would be just like a deer community out there, only with people. And I don't know if you've ever watched anything on wild animals, or documented them in the wild, but I have. Sure, wolves may try to protect each other, but the main reason they are in a pack is so that they can hunt. Wolves a very very smart animals, and they know when their numbers increase, it's easier to get one thing... FOOD! It's survival of the fittest out there in the animal world, and I know that it would be the same way if there was no God, because who would've invented a language? What about things to hunt with? If somebody did invent something of use, how do you know he wouldn't just keep it for himself? There are a lot of things that you leave to chance when you say that not much would really change but crime rate.

 

[peanutbutter12]

You guys are foolishly reading more into this than needs be.

 

[Skavau]

Yes, a total breakdown of society. Ok, look at it like this; if there was no God, that would mean that we evolved from a single-celled organism.

No it wouldn't. Not necessarily.

Then, after everythings said and done, all it would be, is people running around trying to survive and fulfilling their humanly urges. Thus, yes, rape, pillaging, and murder WOULD most certainly go up, because NO morals whatsoever, were handed down to us from our parents. It would be just like a deer community out there, only with people.

Where precisely is your basis for presuming that no morals were handed down from parents under the absence of God?

and I know that it would be the same way if there was
no God, because who would've invented a language?

Your argument rests on the presumption that thought God is in fact the only way a language could of came to be. We know that this is false.

What about things to hunt with? If somebody did invent something of use, how do you know he wouldn't just keep it for himself?

You don't.

 

[Hatfield]

This is something Im curious enough to want to know but I dont want to de-rail the other thread.

Do your religious beliefs influence HOW you play certain games?

Like do you favor certain weapons or actions because of your religious beliefs?

Why or why not and most importantly how?

For me, yes, my beliefs do affect how I play. However, by the same token they also affect my selection of what I play as well.

My wife and I are both fans of online MUD games (online interactive rpg type games), but we only play on one. Since this is not a plug, I will simply state that I reference it on my homepage here.

We very strongly believe in what her Mom calls "Thought, Word, Deed." Even if something is only a mental exercise of the mind, it gets you thinking about something. Then it is a small step to talking about it--what it would be like etc, which then is only a step from going out and acting on it.

Yes, in the MUD we play, we fight. But our Lord drove the moneychangers out of the Temple, the Children of Israel fought for righteous reasons. I don't do things indiscriminately. I wouldn't do something just because "Its just a game". But that's just me. If its not an issue for others, I don't judge them.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

Ok, first off, you must be a believer in the theory of abiogenesis then. Well, that isn't even a theory, just like the "theory of evolution". They are both hypothesis's waiting to be proven correct, and they never will. So, if you say that we didn't come from a single-celled organism, then did we just appear here?! How do you KNOW for sure that our minds would evolve? You're an atheist, so your thoughts on this most likely haven't differed to there "being a god" or "not being a god." My basis for claiming parents wouldn't hand down morals to their kids is based upon todays standard of morals, and the standard of morals back in ancient history. The moral values thing was out the window back in ancient days. And if it wasn't for people like Jesus, preachers, churches, followers of some kind of religion or belief, then the set of morals wouldn't have stuck because there would've been nobody to keep passing them down. And no, my argument did NOT say that the only way language could come about is if God interfered, but having him around the first people to ever walk the Earth shows, that it would've been a lot harder for them to figure out a way of communication. Because what was the first thing God gave them the ability to do? Talk to each other and to the animals. But, it sounds like your the one that has nothing to back up anything you have to say. You couldn't tell me that you wouldn't be a greedy person that wouldn't share your only method of killing an already small population of animals with your tribe.

 

[Skavau]

Ok, first off, you must be a believer in the theory of abiogenesis then. Well, that isn't even a theory, just like the "theory of evolution". They are both hypothesis's waiting to be proven correct, and they never will. So, if you say that we didn't come from a single-celled organism, then did we just appear here?! How do you KNOW for sure that our minds would evolve?

Nothing is likely to be proven correct.

Other than that I'm not entirely sure how to respond to any of the above. It presumes evolution didn't happen and that we just 'appeared'.

My basis for claiming parents wouldn't hand down morals to their kids is based upon todays standard of morals, and the standard of morals back in ancient history. The moral values thing was out the window back in ancient days. And if it wasn't for people like Jesus, preachers, churches, followers of some kind of religion or belief, then the set of morals wouldn't have stuck because there would've been nobody to keep passing them down.

This presumes that only religious people have any interest in asserting morals. And good ones at that. The argument is therefore on a false premise.

And no, my argument did NOT say that the only way language could come about is if God interfered, but having him around the first people to ever walk the Earth shows, that it would've been a lot harder for them to figure out a way of communication. Because what was the first thing God gave them the ability to do?

Your argument above of course presumes that God was around. There is no reason to believe this.

You couldn't tell me that you wouldn't be a greedy person that wouldn't share your only method of killing an already small population of animals with your tribe.

If all humans were greedy by nature, then we would not advance as we have done.

I can't actually make sense of much you are saying. Maybe it is your lack of paragraphs, maybe it is your lack of arguments which mean anything.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

Alright man. You say what you have to to make you feel warm and tingly inside. I'd like to see your proof of any of the following instead of pickin' my side of the debate apart and then not showing any evidence on why you feel that way. I've made my point clear, but you haven't proved anything. So, lets hear your side for once.

 

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

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