Do you want to re-build it?

[d0c markus]

There is some debate in the end times, but i want to focus on the temple that has been destroyed. Do you want it rebuilt? And speaking of which, how is that coming along?

 

[Henaynei]

I guess whether or not "I" want it rebuilt is not germain - G-d says it will be rebuilt :0) But I do want it rebuilt because it is necessary for a more full obedience to G-d's mitzvot (commandments).

There is a working model of the Sanctuary and sacrificial court, somewhere in Israel-NOT Yerushalyim, already in operation that is being used to teach and train Levites. There is a ranch in Texas where red heifers are specifically being bred, and there is currently one hopeful that must yet reach her 2nd year virgin and with no more than 3 white hairs (extra hairs disqualified the last contender just about her 2nd b-day). The Temple Institute has all the necessary equipment, from garments to Menorah, already made and waiting on the ashes of the heifer for purification. All that is "missing" is the Ark.
So, I guess now we are just waiting on G-d's timing

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Shalom everyone. I have this poll going in Eschatoloy. Here is the link to what is going on in Jerusalem regarding the temple updates etc. Very good site.
http://www.templeinstitute.org/main.html

 

[BenTsion]

I'd answer 'yes' to that question mostly because it'd mean Mashiach was REALLY REALLY close to coming as Ben David.

 

[BenTsion]

WOW! Have you guys actually read this page?

http://www.templeinstitute.org/faqs/ark-faq.html

They ADMIT they KNOW where the Ark is!!!

 

[d0c markus]

thats awesome... i say they go get it!!!!!

 

[yod]

p4Israel

what do you mean you "studied there"? I've been there a few times in the last couple of years and every time I thought the young ladies giving the presentation were "Mashiach aware" believers.

Did you ever give presentations? How do they choose the ones who do that?

One of them told me with great certainty that they know where the Ark is....and it's under the Temple Mount in a safe place.

I've seen all the implements too. On my first visit they had just finished the breastplate of the High Priest.


But you guys are meshuggenah if you want to see this rebuilt. It will only bring sorrow for the jewish people because it won't be the Messiah's Temple.

I'm praying for more time....

 

[simchat_torah]

One of them told me with great certainty that they know where the Ark is....and it's under the Temple Mount in a safe place.

two words: Ron Wyatt

 

[simchat_torah]

P4I,

Did you hear much about Ron Wyatt and his *cough* 'discoveries' while in Israel?


I dunno what's true and what's not... but it certainly is fascinating stuff.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Shalom Yod!

I studied there meaning we took classes there for several days to learn of the extensive preparations of the Third Temple.

Oddly enough, I have always gotten the same impression of the women that teach there. I can't explain it - it's just something I've discerned.

I've never given presentations there, I have only been a very attentive student and I do so enjoy it there! As for whom they choose... I assume they have a set criteria, but I am unsure of what it is.

About the Ark... almost everyone I talked to in Israel believes that's where the Ark is! Did you ever get the chance to go through the Western Wall Tunnels? I could write a whole book on that experience alone. (Not to mention Hezekiah's Tunnels which is the ultimate thrill for me!!!) Anyway, under the Temple Mount there are so many tunnels underground and they take you through various tunnels and even have general area where the think the Ark is. Talk about an unfathomable idea - to be standing near where the Ark could be!

More time... yes, that would be nice. However, no matter when, for some it will be too late.

Hello. I watched Benny Hinn from Jerusalem a few weeks ago. They had the head of the Temple Institute on the program. He said that they know that Solomon in his wisdom, knew of the coming destruction of the temple, so Solomon had those tunnels built under the temple, and he hid the ark there. IF THEY COULD JUST GET TO IT!!!! They will, and I think in the near future. I would like to see it, even though Gods presence is still not in it. He also said that the rod of Aaron that budded, and a jar of manna is hid with the ark also...WOW, wouldn't that be something to see?

 

[d0c markus]

that would be something... but watch out for that benny hinn guy.. I want to see the mana more than anything! But i thought it spoiled the next day?

 

[Henaynei]

I want to see the mana more than anything! But i thought it spoiled the next day?

It did - which was the point. G-d had them gather one jar that did not spoil and keep it in the Ark as one of the three wittnesses against Israel, the other 2 being the tablets and the rod - all testimony of Israel's disobedience - covered by the mercy seat and covered by blood once a year in the presence of the 2 heavenly witnesses - the Seriphim whoes gaze was upon the Ark 24/7/365.... (so to speak)

 

[simchat_torah]

I wonder if the Jar of Manna kept in the ark was preserved by the spirit of HaShem?


hmmm

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

that would be something... but watch out for that benny hinn guy.. I want to see the mana more than anything! But i thought it spoiled the next day?

Yeah, that is correct, so how could it be still in a jar . Oh, never mind. The question was answered.

 

[simchat_torah]

I can search the talmud later tonight when i get home and see if I can find any passages concerning the Jar of Manna... but I'm sure that Rabbi Cohen might be able to find some of that just as well.

 

[johnd]

Reasons for voting no:

2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: 13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

1 Peter 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

It was a misinterpretive presumption on the parts of David and Solomon to build the temple in the first place.

Regards,

 

[simchat_torah]

Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: 13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Remind me again, how this is a negative quality?

1 Peter 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Interestingly, the temple continued for several decades after these passages were written... how does this then fit into your theology?

As well, considering the Messiah taught how to properly give a sacrafice, and considering that the apostles continued making sacrafices... how does that fit into your 'no' vote?

curious,
Yafet.

 

[johnd]

The same way Hashem permitted the monarchy (1 Samuel 8). He incorporated it into his plan and dealt with Israel on that basis from that point on, but it was not his original intent. Reread the scriptures I showed plus

2 Chronicles 6:5 Since the day that I brought forth my people out of the land of Egypt I chose no city among all the tribes of Israel to build an house in, that my name might be there; neither chose I any man to be a ruler over my people Israel: 6 But I have chosen Jerusalem, that my name might be there; and have chosen David to be over my people Israel.

Glaring omission of a temple (or house) in verse 6!

2 Chronicles 6:7 Now it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel. 8 But the LORD said to David my father, Forasmuch as it was in thine heart to build an house for my name, thou didst well in that it was in thine heart: 9 Notwithstanding thou shalt not build the house; but thy son which shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house for my name.

He actually said:

2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Solomon's throne did not extend into his own son's (Rehoboam) reign. It was split in two and was conquered in 726 BC in the North and 586 BC in the South. Israel did not return to a sustained autonomous State until 1948. Even then it is not the throne of Solomon or David.

1 Chronicles 26, 2 Chronicles 6:10ff, fit in with 1 Kings 8 as a Solomon says version of what God said in 2 Samuel 7:12-13.

Also why did God give Moses such specific instructions and not Solomon?

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

The dimensions of temple and tabernacle were not the same nor are the lay out of each. Did God somehow change his mind about the importance of this?

Regards,

 

[yod]

Indiana Jones?

 

[simchat_torah]

JohnD,

Before we move onto the new verses you have presented, I'd like my previous two questions answered:

Quote:

Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: 13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Remind me again, how this is a negative quality?

and...

Quote:

1 Peter 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Interestingly, the temple continued for several decades after these passages were written... how does this then fit into your theology?

Keep in mind, that even as the temple continued after the death of the Messiah the Apostles continued making sacrafices at the temple. How does this affect your view of the above quoted passages?

thanks,
Yafet.