Do you trust God or Man when it comes to the creation?

[The Hour IS AT HAND]

Brothers and Sisters, greetings. Today I am going to present evidence for why I think we should trust the Bible and it's creation account as literal, meaning that the Earth is just several thousand years old, just over 6,000 to be more precise. Firstly let me just say that I do not think this issue is a matter of salvation, and therefore not essential, but I fear not trusting the Bible in this regard only helps the adversary further weaken our resolve and understanding when it comes to other issues.

Ok, so science (or the world) describes the Earth as being billions of years old. Lets see what the Bible says.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Now, scripture does tell us that a thousand years is like a day to God.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

When you consider the word "day" H3117 from the Genesis passage, it could be either literal or figurative, however looking at the words "evening" H6153 and "morning" H1242 there is much less room for interpretation and scripture seems to be pointing to an actual 24 hour day. The issue with people accepting this though, is because I would say for must of us, for our entire lives, we've been taught that the Bible is wrong, and science is right. However the creation story provides a completely contrary explanation for how we got here. Take for example that God created Earth on the first day, but made the stars on the fourth, not to mention making plants on the third!

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

According to science, how could God of made the earth, filled with plants, before he made the sun, moon, and stars? We must remember that God is all powerful and is not constrained by the laws of creation, as He is the one who made them. We are also told the Earth was made out of water; are we just to disregard that because science says otherwise?

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Again we see that a thousand years to God is like one day, we will come back to this in a bit. Before we do, lets address wisdom, or being wise. Are we, who are sinful and wicked, wise? Or is wisdom given to us through God. Basically are we "wise" in the ways and beliefs of the world, or are we "wise" in the ways of God? To paraphrase Jesus, we are in the world, but not of the world (John 17:14-16).

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Jer 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

All of these scriptures point to the fact that God gives us wisdom. Therefor if someone is wise, that is because they are wise in the ways of the Lord. See for instance the Jeremiah reference; they had rejected the Word of the Lord, and they had no wisdom!

1Cor 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Cor 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Scripture clearly seems to clearly be rebuking what the "world" considers wise, because it is opposed to the truth of God. We should not be surprised by this because scripture also tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world.

2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

So if Satan is running this earth (for a time), should we be surprised if the whole earth is teaching something that is contrary to God and his Word? Something that only causes people to fall away or not believe? We as followers of Christ, should forget what we think we know, and look to God's word for understanding. Do you prefer words from scientists and doctors over the words of God? If you read a difficult passage that doesn't fit your understanding do you disregard it because the world says otherwise?

I know some of you are still wondering, what about dinosaurs and fossils man!? We know, because of scripture, that there were giants before and after the flood.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Not only were there giant men walking the earth after the flood, there were also giant plants and fruit.
Num 13:23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.

Would it then be safe to assume if there were giant people and plants, there were giant animals as well? I think this more than satisfies how we could have "dinosaur" bones. What about the ageing though, the fossil record? Again, do you trust man or God? A great resource for fossilization, and a man much more versed on the subject than myself, I feel provides a very concise explanation and I will link a short video here.

So, the last reason I think the earth is only over 6,000 years is because the signs of the times. I think we are in the last days. Just as God made the Earth in a literal week, he will bring about its completion in a figurative week. Meaning, its been almost 2,000 years since the death and resurection of Jesus Christ. We are now in the figurative third day. We have already read how 1,000 years is like a single day to God. When did Jesus rise from the dead? On the third day. When will he return? On the third (figurative) day! Look around you and see the ever growing evil engulfing the earth! God's longsuffering is drawing to an end and Christ will be returning soon!

I will ask you one final time. Do you believe the Word of God, or the wisdom of man?

 

[HTacianas]

Brothers and Sisters, greetings. Today I am going to present evidence for why I think we should trust the Bible and it's creation account as literal, meaning that the Earth is just several thousand years old, just over 6,000 to be more precise. Firstly let me just say that I do not think this issue is a matter of salvation, and therefore not essential, but I fear not trusting the Bible in this regard only helps the adversary further weaken our resolve and understanding when it comes to other issues.

Ok, so science (or the world) describes the Earth as being billions of years old. Lets see what the Bible says.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Now, scripture does tell us that a thousand years is like a day to God.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

When you consider the word "day" H3117 from the Genesis passage, it could be either literal or figurative, however looking at the words "evening" H6153 and "morning" H1242 there is much less room for interpretation and scripture seems to be pointing to an actual 24 hour day. The issue with people accepting this though, is because I would say for must of us, for our entire lives, we've been taught that the Bible is wrong, and science is right. However the creation story provides a completely contrary explanation for how we got here. Take for example that God created Earth on the first day, but made the stars on the fourth, not to mention making plants on the third!

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

According to science, how could God of made the earth, filled with plants, before he made the sun, moon, and stars? We must remember that God is all powerful and is not constrained by the laws of creation, as He is the one who made them. We are also told the Earth was made out of water; are we just to disregard that because science says otherwise?

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Again we see that a thousand years to God is like one day, we will come back to this in a bit. Before we do, lets address wisdom, or being wise. Are we, who are sinful and wicked, wise? Or is wisdom given to us through God. Basically are we "wise" in the ways and beliefs of the world, or are we "wise" in the ways of God? To paraphrase Jesus, we are in the world, but not of the world (John 17:14-16).

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Jer 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

All of these scriptures point to the fact that God gives us wisdom. Therefor if someone is wise, that is because they are wise in the ways of the Lord. See for instance the Jeremiah reference; they had rejected the Word of the Lord, and they had no wisdom!

1Cor 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Cor 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Scripture clearly seems to clearly be rebuking what the "world" considers wise, because it is opposed to the truth of God. We should not be surprised by this because scripture also tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world.

2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

So if Satan is running this earth (for a time), should we be surprised if the whole earth is teaching something that is contrary to God and his Word? Something that only causes people to fall away or not believe? We as followers of Christ, should forget what we think we know, and look to God's word for understanding. Do you prefer words from scientists and doctors over the words of God? If you read a difficult passage that doesn't fit your understanding do you disregard it because the world says otherwise?

I know some of you are still wondering, what about dinosaurs and fossils man!? We know, because of scripture, that there were giants before and after the flood.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Not only were there giant men walking the earth after the flood, there were also giant plants and fruit.
Num 13:23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.

Would it then be safe to assume if there were giant people and plants, there were giant animals as well? I think this more than satisfies how we could have "dinosaur" bones. What about the ageing though, the fossil record? Again, do you trust man or God? A great resource for fossilization, and a man much more versed on the subject than myself, I feel provides a very concise explanation and I will link a short video here.

So, the last reason I think the earth is only over 6,000 years is because the signs of the times. I think we are in the last days. Just as God made the Earth in a literal week, he will bring about its completion in a figurative week. Meaning, its been almost 2,000 years since the death and resurection of Jesus Christ. We are now in the figurative third day. We have already read how 1,000 years is like a single day to God. When did Jesus rise from the dead? On the third day. When will he return? On the third (figurative) day! Look around you and see the ever growing evil engulfing the earth! God's longsuffering is drawing to an end and Christ will be returning soon!

I will ask you one final time. Do you believe the Word of God, or the wisdom of man?

Your question is a false dichotomy. Now, you do rightfully say that the age of the earth is not a matter of salvation, but for a lot of people it becomes one. If you ask someone if they'd like to come to Church with you and they respond with, "no. I'm not buying that 6000 year old earth nonsense", you have denied salvation to a person for no reason at all. So your question then becomes "do you want to trust in man or trust in me"?

 

[BobRyan]

Brothers and Sisters, greetings. Today I am going to present evidence for why I think we should trust the Bible and it's creation account

Amen to that.

God was there to create everything on Earth according to Gen 1.
Man was not there since God created man last -- on day six. So man could not have created any of it.

as literal, meaning that the Earth is just several thousand years old, just over 6,000 to be more precise.

True.

Firstly let me just say that I do not think this issue is a matter of salvation

If one says that the Bible cannot be trusted but this it not a matter of salvation then they must have an argument for how salvation is obtained apart from the Word of God. Making it 'optional'.

It they say "well some of the Word of God is reliable .. the part that deals with Christ - but the rest is not factual as various preferences may insist" - then it sounds like a weak foundation. At best "self conflicted"

 

[The Hour IS AT HAND]

Your question is a false dichotomy. Now, you do rightfully say that the age of the earth is not a matter of salvation, but for a lot of people it becomes one. If you ask someone if they'd like to come to Church with you and they respond with, "no. I'm not buying that 6000 year old earth nonsense", you have denied salvation to a person for no reason at all. So your question then becomes "do you want to trust in man or trust in me"?

False Dichotomy:

1. 
   noun
   A logical fallacy in which a spectrum of possible options is misrepresented as an either-or choice between two mutually exclusive things.
   
   
   Not sure how this is a false dichotomy as the Bible clearly portrays one creation story, and science, another.
   
   Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
   
   Are the words of Jesus also a false dichotomy, as he only presents two options? Also I am asking nobody to trust me, I am asking them to trust the Bible. If the scriptures support some other story of creation I would be happy to see it.

 

[The Hour IS AT HAND]

If one says that the Bible cannot be trusted but this it not a matter of salvation then they must have an argument for how salvation is obtained apart from the Word of God. Making it 'optional'.

It they say "well some of the Word of God is reliable .. the part that deals with Christ - but the rest is not factual as various preferences may insist" - then it sounds like a weak foundation. At best "self conflicted"

Maybe not the Word can't be trusted, but interpreted differently. Trust me, I agree with you, many people calling themselves Christians love to pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible. As Jesus said, narrow is the gate, and few take it.

 

[BobRyan]

Maybe not the Word can't be trusted, but interpreted differently.

We can all say "we interpreted the Bible differently" when it comes to women's ordination, Calvinism, Church organization, Baptismal regeneration vs believer's baptism... Ten commandments (as edited) or Ten Commandments (not edited)...

None of that involves saying "the Bible writer was just wrong, too ignorant to understand the science, was making their best guess" etc.

We would not claim that the NT writers claiming that there was a virgin birth - were borrowing from mythology in Babylon or some other ancient group because that was a popular thing to do -- so just consider it their best effort.

We would not say the virgin birth is symbolism/metaphor / myth / poetic imagery -- or any of other "nice" things that non-Christians like to say about any part of the Bible they don't want to be true.

Trust me, I agree with you, many people calling themselves Christians love to pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible. As Jesus said, narrow is the gate, and few take it.

Amen to that.

 

[BobRyan]

Your question is a false dichotomy. Now, you do rightfully say that the age of the earth is not a matter of salvation, but for a lot of people it becomes one. If you ask someone if they'd like to come to Church with you and they respond with, "no. I'm not buying that 6000 year old earth nonsense", you have denied salvation to a person for no reason at all. So your question then becomes "do you want to trust in man or trust in me"?

false.

The OP states a solid fact when it says that the Bible only identifies around 6000 years for Earth's history. That is a fact .. like "2+2 is 4".

You may say "well that is fine for the Bible - but I pay no attention to that Bible detail." for whatever reason you wish. You have free will. But you cannot insult the other guy by claiming it is just "him" that notices the Bible detail that you consider to be not very important, as if he made up the idea that going through the Bible and looking at the details shows that it only accounts for about 6000 years.

Some people have 66 books in their Bibles and some have 77 books. But neither group can be said to have "just made that up". You can't say to a member of either group "well that is just you -- you are simply telling people to trust YOU that the Bible has 66 books". That is not a very serious response to factual details.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

If the earth is only 6000 years old, then God has been lying to us in the stories the sky and the earth are telling us. He created the light between the stars and the earth. That light is telling us a story of what has been happening for what appears to be 15 billion years. We are seeing light from the stars that show us supernovas that occurred millions of years ago. Galaxies are colliding and have been colliding for hundreds of millions of years. We are seeing planets out there that have been rotating around their stars for just as long. The sky is a history book. If the earth is only 6000 years old, then these are all made-up images. A divine Photoshopped movie painted in light None of this actually happened! These are all just fictional accounts. Why would He do this to us? Why would He record a history in the light and in the earth that never happened? If He was trying to trick us, well, He is the perfect trickster, and nobody could escape this omnipotent prank. If He wanted to create a 6000-year-old universe that looks 15 billion years old, He certainly could! He can do anything! But if we fall for it, and believe what we are seeing. if we acknowledge the false things He recorded and believe it, then can He really blame us for believing what He made and what we see with our own eyes? "Yeah, you got me, God. Good one!" Best illusion ever.
At this point, we are approaching the domain of the flat earth religion. A flat-earth religion is not based on faith. Faith is the evidence of things not seen. Faith is not the denial of those things that are. The scripture says what we are seeing in the sky is a declaration of the glory of God. I must ask. If what we are seeing in the sky is a lie, then what does that say about His glory?

 

[Job 33:6]

Brothers and Sisters, greetings. Today I am going to present evidence for why I think we should trust the Bible and it's creation account as literal, meaning that the Earth is just several thousand years old, just over 6,000 to be more precise. Firstly let me just say that I do not think this issue is a matter of salvation, and therefore not essential, but I fear not trusting the Bible in this regard only helps the adversary further weaken our resolve and understanding when it comes to other issues.

Ok, so science (or the world) describes the Earth as being billions of years old. Lets see what the Bible says.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Now, scripture does tell us that a thousand years is like a day to God.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

When you consider the word "day" H3117 from the Genesis passage, it could be either literal or figurative, however looking at the words "evening" H6153 and "morning" H1242 there is much less room for interpretation and scripture seems to be pointing to an actual 24 hour day. The issue with people accepting this though, is because I would say for must of us, for our entire lives, we've been taught that the Bible is wrong, and science is right. However the creation story provides a completely contrary explanation for how we got here. Take for example that God created Earth on the first day, but made the stars on the fourth, not to mention making plants on the third!

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

According to science, how could God of made the earth, filled with plants, before he made the sun, moon, and stars? We must remember that God is all powerful and is not constrained by the laws of creation, as He is the one who made them. We are also told the Earth was made out of water; are we just to disregard that because science says otherwise?

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Again we see that a thousand years to God is like one day, we will come back to this in a bit. Before we do, lets address wisdom, or being wise. Are we, who are sinful and wicked, wise? Or is wisdom given to us through God. Basically are we "wise" in the ways and beliefs of the world, or are we "wise" in the ways of God? To paraphrase Jesus, we are in the world, but not of the world (John 17:14-16).

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Jer 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

All of these scriptures point to the fact that God gives us wisdom. Therefor if someone is wise, that is because they are wise in the ways of the Lord. See for instance the Jeremiah reference; they had rejected the Word of the Lord, and they had no wisdom!

1Cor 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Cor 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Scripture clearly seems to clearly be rebuking what the "world" considers wise, because it is opposed to the truth of God. We should not be surprised by this because scripture also tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world.

2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

So if Satan is running this earth (for a time), should we be surprised if the whole earth is teaching something that is contrary to God and his Word? Something that only causes people to fall away or not believe? We as followers of Christ, should forget what we think we know, and look to God's word for understanding. Do you prefer words from scientists and doctors over the words of God? If you read a difficult passage that doesn't fit your understanding do you disregard it because the world says otherwise?

I know some of you are still wondering, what about dinosaurs and fossils man!? We know, because of scripture, that there were giants before and after the flood.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Not only were there giant men walking the earth after the flood, there were also giant plants and fruit.
Num 13:23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.

Would it then be safe to assume if there were giant people and plants, there were giant animals as well? I think this more than satisfies how we could have "dinosaur" bones. What about the ageing though, the fossil record? Again, do you trust man or God? A great resource for fossilization, and a man much more versed on the subject than myself, I feel provides a very concise explanation and I will link a short video here.

So, the last reason I think the earth is only over 6,000 years is because the signs of the times. I think we are in the last days. Just as God made the Earth in a literal week, he will bring about its completion in a figurative week. Meaning, its been almost 2,000 years since the death and resurection of Jesus Christ. We are now in the figurative third day. We have already read how 1,000 years is like a single day to God. When did Jesus rise from the dead? On the third day. When will he return? On the third (figurative) day! Look around you and see the ever growing evil engulfing the earth! God's longsuffering is drawing to an end and Christ will be returning soon!

I will ask you one final time. Do you believe the Word of God, or the wisdom of man?

The Bible is not a science textbook, it's describing ancient near east cosmology:

And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
Genesis 1:6

God made the dome, and separated the waters which were below the dome from the waters which were above the dome; and it was so. God called the dome heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
Genesis 1:7‭-‬8

And God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
Genesis 1:14

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.
Genesis 7:11

the fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained,
Genesis 8:2

And God said, “Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the dome of the sky.”
Genesis 1:20

And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, the top of it reaching to heaven; and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. And the Lord stood beside him [or stood above it] and said, “I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring;
Genesis 28:12‭-‬13

“You shall not make for yourself a divine image with any form that is in the heavens above or that is in the earth below or that is in the water below the earth.
Exodus 20:4

and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness.
Exodus 24:10

Thick clouds enwrap him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the dome of heaven.’
Job 22:14

He has described a circle [earths shape] on the face of the water between light and darkness. “The pillars of heaven tremble, and they are astounded at his rebuke.
Job 26:10‭-‬11

Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a molten mirror?
Job 37:18

Hast thou with him spread out the sky, Which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Job 37:18

can you join him in spreading out the skies, hard as a mirror of cast bronze?
Job 37:18

Have you entered the storehouse of the snow, or seen the armory of the hail,
Job 38:22
God stores his weapons and mana in storehouses to help the isrealites in battle, and to give gifts to His people.

So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Joshua 10:13

Yet in all the world their line goes out, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has pitched a tent for the sun,
Psalms 19:4

The tree that you saw, which grew great and strong, so that its top reached to heaven and was visible to the end of the whole earth,
Daniel 4:20

The Lord sits enthroned over the flood; the Lord sits enthroned as king forever.
Psalms 29:10

Yet he commanded the skies above and opened the doors of heaven,
Psalm 78:23

you set the beams of your chambers on the waters, you make the clouds your chariot, you ride on the wings of the wind,
Psalms 104:3

He causes the clouds to arise from the end of the earth, makes lightning bolts accompany the rain, and brings the wind out of his storehouses.
Psalms 135:7

To him who spread out the earth above the waters, for his loyal love endures forever.
Psalms 136:6

Praise him, highest heavens, and waters above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Yahweh, because he commanded and they were created. And he put them in place *forever and ever*, by a decree he gave that will not pass away.
Psalms 148:4‭-‬6

Praise Yah. Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty firmament.
Psalms 150:1

and all the host of heaven shall rot. And the skies shall roll up like a scroll, and all their host shall wither like the withering of a leaf from a vine, or like the withering from a fig tree.
Isaiah 34:4

It is he who sits above the *circle* of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;
Isaiah 40:22

Over the heads of the angels there was something like a dome, shining like crystal, spread out above their heads.
Ezekiel 1:22

And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire stone; and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form.
Ezekiel 1:26

And I looked, and look! On the dome that was above the head of the cherubim something like a stone of sapphire, and like the appearance of the shape of a throne it appeared above them.
Ezekiel 10:1

He made strong the skies above, When the springs of the deep became fixed, When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
Proverbs 8:28-‬29

The sky vanished like a scroll rolling itself up, and every mountain and island was why removed from its place.
Revelation 6:14

After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”
Revelation 4:1

“Where were you at my laying the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you possess understanding. Who determined its measurement? Yes, you do know. Or who stretched the measuring line upon it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:4‭-‬6

The earth and all its inhabitants are shaking; I steady its columns. Selah
Psalms 75:3

For the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, And he hath set the world upon them.
1 Samuel 2:8

 

[The Hour IS AT HAND]

If the earth is only 6000 years old, then God has been lying to us in the stories the sky and the earth are telling us. He created the light between the stars and the earth. That light is telling us a story of what has been happening for what appears to be 15 billion years. We are seeing light from the stars that show us supernovas that occurred millions of years ago. Galaxies are colliding and have been colliding for hundreds of millions of years. We are seeing planets out there that have been rotating around their stars for just as long. The sky is a history book.

What do you see when you look at the sky? I see either sun and clouds, or the moon and stars, depending on the time of day. How does that tell me all these things? What do you see when you look at the sky? Do you see millions of years of "history" or are you just repeating what you've been told by people with fancy pieces of paper? Where in the scriptures can I find this information?

 

[d taylor]

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Only God through The Bible's creation account's, all man offers is lies

 

[The Hour IS AT HAND]

The Bible is not a science textbook, it's describing ancient near east cosmology

I personally lean towards a flat earth, not a spherical one, as that is what scripture seems to support. I like your picture, thank-you!

 

[Diamond72]

the Earth is just several thousand years old, just over 6,000 to be more precise.

The question has to do with the length of days in Genesis Chapter one. We do not have a tape measure. In Genesis chapter two Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. Adam was born in 4004 BC. Christ was born in 4 BC. Exactly 4,000 years apart. ALL of the Bible except for Chapter one takes place in the last 6,000 years.

Christ began His ministry when He was 30 years old. He died and was resurrected at 33 years. So the church age began in 29 AD. 2029 will be 2,000 years of the church age. Some believe soon Jesus will return and we will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. Known as the Kingdom age.

Of course, we believe in a literal Bible, still we do not know for sure how long the days are in Genesis chapter one. Some people believe this is singular but perhaps they do not understand Hebrew well enough to know the difference between plural and singular.

 

[Diamond72]

What do you see when you look at the sky? Do you see millions of years of "history"

Yes, we see millions of years of history when we study the sky. Also, when we study geology and the layers in the earth and ice cores. Just like the rings on a tree tells us the age of that tree.

 

[Diamond72]

The Bible is not a science textbook

There is no conflict between Science and the Bible. NO ONE has ever shown me a conflict. You can believe in Science and you can believe in the Bible. To the best of our understanding. God gives us both to study and learn.

 

[The Hour IS AT HAND]

Yes, we see millions of years of history when we study the sky. Also, when we study geology and the layers in the earth and ice cores. Just like the rings on a tree tells us the age of that tree.

Whose we? I am asking, straight forward, what do you see when you look at the sky? Everything else is just the wisdom of the world, and I provided the scripture that refutes such wisdom in OP.

 

[The Hour IS AT HAND]

There is no conflict between Science and the Bible. NO ONE has ever shown me a conflict. You can believe in Science and you can believe in the Bible. To the best of our understanding. God gives us both to study and learn.

What about evolution? This is a theory deviod of God, so how can the Word and Evolution not be in conflict? God gave us his Word, man gave us science. Sure God created natural laws that we can observe, but when we start using those observations to discount the Word of God that's when it starts to become a problem.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

What do you see when you look at the sky? I see either sun and clouds, or the moon and stars, depending on the time of day. How does that tell me all these things? What do you see when you look at the sky? Do you see millions of years of "history" or are you just repeating what you've been told by people with fancy pieces of paper? Where in the scriptures can I find this information?

Show me the verse that says the earth is 6000 years old. Or did you find that on a fancy sheet of paper?
It is a fact that it takes time for light to leave the surface of an object and arrive at your eyes. That is a fact that can be proven by experiments, and duplicated. It has been proven many many times and factually proven by our manned trips to the moon.

When you look at the moon, you are not seeing it as it is now. You are seeing it as it was 1 and one-third seconds ago.
When you look at the sun, you are not seeing the sun as it is now. You are seeing it as it was 8 minutes and 20 seconds ago.
When you see Jupiter, you are seeing it as it was 52 minutes ago.
When you see Proxima Centauri, you are seeing it as it was 4 and a half years ago. (5.88 trillion miles)
When you see the Andromeda Galaxy, you are seeing it as it was 2 and a half million years ago.
The Web Telescope is viewing galaxies as they were 15 billion years ago.
That is what you see when you look into the sky.

When you see a plane in the sky, do you need a scripture to tell you it is there? If you cannot find a scripture, do you insist there is no plane? The scripture does not say anything about moon landings, the planet Pluto, or automobiles. They must not exist either. Show me a scripture that talks about the monitor you are looking at right now or the keyboard you are typing on. No? Guess they are imaginary.

They tell us the Betelgeuse in the constellation Orion is about to go supernova. The truth is it went supernova thousands of years ago. The light recording of that event has not reached us yet. At this moment, the record of that event exists in the light that is traveling through space billions of miles away from us. Since it happened long before 6000 years ago, then God would have had to create those light signals that are traveling toward us. A story in the light. Which, of course, He could do. But He could not rationally be angry at us for believing what we see. He did it.

If all the visible stars and galaxies in the universe were created 6000 years ago, they would all be less than 6000 light years from the Earth. The entire sky would be one blazing inferno as trillions of stars would be packed into a ball 12000 light-years across.

You do not need a high-level science degree to understand these simple principles that God put in place when He created the universe billions of years ago. We do not need to be afraid of these facts.

If what we see in the sky is actually a lie, what else in creation is a lie? Is the story of Abraham a lie? Is the flood a lie too? How about the gospel? What about the resurrection? The disciples saw the resurrected Jesus with their eyes. Should they believe it? What if it was another manufactured story created in the light signals only... having never existed in reality?

 

[Diamond72]

What about evolution?

Theistic Evolution is not clearly defined. Frances Collins tries, but he represents questionable ethics.

when we start using those observations to discount the Word of God that's when it starts to become a problem.

Show me the conflict or the problem. Claiming there is a problem does not define what the problem is. No one has ever shown me a conflict between science and the Bible. Lots of people have tried and failed. They only point out their own lack of insight and understanding.

I do not claim to know or understand all there is in the Bible. Do you make that claim? Would that not make you God if you made that claim? Is this not the claim of the serpent in Genesis 3:5 "you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

 

[SavedByGrace3]

What about evolution? This is a theory deviod of God, so how can the Word and Evolution not be in conflict? God gave us his Word, man gave us science. Sure God created natural laws that we can observe, but when we start using those observations to discount the Word of God that's when it starts to become a problem.

Here is one:

Genesis 1:11 KJV
11. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

What exactly brought forth the grass, herbs, and trees?
Genesis 1:12 KJV
12. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit,
whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Another:
Genesis 1:20 KJV
20. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,
and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

How did God create, and what exactly brought forth the fish and birds?

Genesis 1:21 KJV
21. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought
forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And more:

Genesis 1:24 KJV
24. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle,
and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


You do not have to agree... but you must admit, by your own rule of taking God at his word, that there is evidence in these simple verses to prove life came into being from the elements of the earth by the power of God's command. He commanded the earth to bring forth life, and it did.
I see it as God making a life factory. He commands the earth to bring forth life, and His word empowers the earth to do just that.