Do you think that homosexuality is a choice?

[fishin4christ]

So you think that gays choose to be discriminated against, hated, and ostracized by society?

They choose to be gay. Its as simple as that. God cleary didn't want us to be gay or else he would have created Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve.

 

[HannahBanana]

They choose to be gay. Its as simple as that. God cleary didn't want us to be gay or else he would have created Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve.

Please answer the question that I asked you.

I'll ask it again:

So you think that gays choose to be discriminated against, hated, and ostracized by society?

 

[QuantaCura]

Yes ! It's quite obvious God didn't design us to be attracted to the same sex. I'm hoping I don't have to go into detail there. lol. It's also obvious that he looks down on homosexuality. Just look at what he done to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Creation is wounded by sin. One might just as easily say "God didn't design us to be tempted to fornicate, steal, horde from the needy, [insert any sin people are tempted to]." Likewise, one might make the same assertion about any physical, psychological or behavioral disorders. The thing is Creation, as less than God the only incorruptible, is subject to corruption (only in union with Him can we no longer be corruptible--and this is consummated after death). Likewise, we are fallen and all of us need grace in order to have the strength to resist temptation and to bear patiently and virtuously what weaknesses or disorders we have (and we all have both in some way or another.) The temporal punishments of God in the OT do teach us of the consequences of pertinaciously embracing sin, but that doesn't mean the temptation is a choice.

 

[QuantaCura]

If we have contempt for sinners rather than compassion for them, two things are evident: (1) We have no self-knowledge of our own failures and/or how we have actually been able to overcome them and (2) we do not have the love of Christ within us, who suffered the most grievous torments out of love and compassion for poor sinners.

 

[AtheistAnonymous]

Homosexuality is a choice. In a society dominated by heterosexuals, our youth is raised on principles of male and female. For someone to want to claim homosexuality, they have to make the decision whether they are physically attracted towards males or females. It's not really just a "choice" they make by asking themselves. It's more of an acquired taste, but never the less, it is a choice. Same with bisexuality. And no, there is no gene that makes you homosexual... lol.

I would also like to add that the decision they make is based off what they like and what they think. They may not tell people around them due to hatred or discrimination. No one is just going to claim homosexuality because they are bored and want attention. They have a choice to withstand people point and laughing at them or "homophobes" to avoid them and the choice to have relations with the same sex. There are positive and negative effects of claiming your sexual preference, but they take these into factor despite many hiding their preference due to the negative effects.

 

[HannahBanana]

Nope. Each person is responsible for his or her own actions.. it is not anyperson's choice to be ridicuoled. That is a choice made by the person doing the insulting. Just like I didn't -choose- to be insulted through grade school, but I did choose to be a bit of a freak which definately caused it

You'd have to add MANY words to my mouth by your own hand in order to get -that- meaning from what I stated.

I commend you on interpretting my words so losely that you could fit a small planet through the gaping hole you created. This is why I won't debate you any longer. You create your own reality and expect others to dance around it, but I can't do that for you.

~ Lynn

How did I add any words to what you said? It's the truth that gays are hated, discriminated against, and ostracized by society, so I was just asking you if you really thought that a person would choose to have any of those things done to them.

 

[HannahBanana]

Homosexuality is a choice. In a society dominated by heterosexuals, our youth is raised on principles of male and female. For someone to want to claim homosexuality, they have to make the decision whether they are physically attracted towards males or females. It's not really just a "choice" they make by asking themselves. It's more of an acquired taste, but never the less, it is a choice. Same with bisexuality. And no, there is no gene that makes you homosexual... lol.

How is it a choice when homosexuals don't consciously decide to be gay? That's like saying that my dislike of fish is a choice, even though I never actually chose to dislike it.

 

[HannahBanana]

If we have contempt for sinners rather than compassion for them, two things are evident: (1) We have no self-knowledge of our own failures and/or how we have actually been able to overcome them and (2) we do not have the love of Christ within us, who suffered the most grievous torments out of love and compassion for poor sinners.

I'm confused. Do you think that it's a choice or don't you?

 

[QuantaCura]

I'm confused. Do you think that it's a choice or don't you?

I think you might have missed my first post #24 . In sum, given the definition in the OP, the answer is no for those reasons in post #24.

 

[HannahBanana]

I think you might have missed my first post #24 . In sum, given the definition in the OP, the answer is no for those reasons in post #24.

Sorry about that. I guess this thread is growing a bit too quickly for me.

 

[AtheistAnonymous]

How is it a choice when homosexuals don't consciously decide to be gay? That's like saying that my dislike of fish is a choice, even though I never actually chose to dislike it.

It's a choice if you decide you like those of the same sex or not. It is a long series of choices from youth to adulthood that inevitably decides what you like or dislike. I guess I disagree that it is one mere choice, but I do have to say that we don't just become the person we are. We make multiple decisions along the way that decide our personality, our likes/dislikes, and how we view beauty. Did I word it better?

 

[HannahBanana]

It's a choice if you decide you like those of the same sex or not. It is a long series of choices from youth to adulthood that inevitably decides what you like or dislike. I guess I disagree that it is one mere choice, but I do have to say that we don't just become the person we are. We make multiple decisions along the way that decide our personality, our likes/dislikes, and how we view beauty. Did I word it better?

Yeah, that makes more sense. I thought that you were saying that it was just one choice that a person made sometime during adolescence, but I actually do agree that it's based upon a series of smaller choices.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[AtheistAnonymous]

Yeah, that makes more sense. I thought that you were saying that it was just one choice that a person made sometime during adolescence, but I actually do agree that it's based upon a series of smaller choices.

Thanks for the clarification.

No problem, I sometimes don't think that much, but you made me rethink it. Thanks

 

[LadyOfMystery]

Homosexuality is definitely a choice. I mean why would God make a person homosexual when in the Bible it says a man shouldn't lay down with another man and it's a sin? It doesn't make sense.
Homosexuality is definitely a choice because you choose to be attracted to that person, just like a female chooses to be attracted to a male and not every male.

 

[Lupinus]

It most certainly is a choice. As much as giving into any other desire that you know is against what is right is a choice.

I sometimes get the desire to beat the snot out of people. I have a temper and I'm the first to admit it. It is my choice how I control that desire though. Do I give into it and loose control? I do I go by proper standards and what God wants and not give in?

Some people have strong urges to drink alcohol to excess and be drunks. It's a desire that can be just as strong as those who find attraction to the same sex. They choose how they handle that desire.

Is a temperamental nature and having interest in the same sex different? Or the desire to have a drink? Sure. But when you get down to sin and things based on desire the same basic things hold true.

You have a wrongful desire, it is your choice to give into it and indulge yourself, or do what is right.

 

[HannahBanana]

Homosexuality is definitely a choice. I mean why would God make a person homosexual when in the Bible it says a man shouldn't lay down with another man and it's a sin? It doesn't make sense.
Homosexuality is definitely a choice because you choose to be attracted to that person, just like a female chooses to be attracted to a male and not every male.

So you're saying that you choose to have crushes on certain people? You're saying that you're never surprised by who you're attracted to?

Plus, why in the world would a person choose to be hated, discriminated against, and ostracized by society?

 

[HannahBanana]

It most certainly is a choice. As much as giving into any other desire that you know is against what is right is a choice.

I sometimes get the desire to beat the snot out of people. I have a temper and I'm the first to admit it. It is my choice how I control that desire though. Do I give into it and loose control? I do I go by proper standards and what God wants and not give in?

Some people have strong urges to drink alcohol to excess and be drunks. It's a desire that can be just as strong as those who find attraction to the same sex. They choose how they handle that desire.

Is a temperamental nature and having interest in the same sex different? Or the desire to have a drink? Sure. But when you get down to sin and things based on desire the same basic things hold true.

You have a wrongful desire, it is your choice to give into it and indulge yourself, or do what is right.

How is homosexuality a "wrongful desire," though? And how does homosexuality hurt a person like beating a person up does, or like alcoholism does?

 

[LadyOfMystery]

So you're saying that you choose to have crushes on certain people? You're saying that you're never surprised by who you're attracted to?

Plus, why in the world would a person choose to be hated, discriminated against, and ostracized by society?

Yeah, something in you chooses the person, it's their looks, personality, it's never random, whether you think it is or not. I mean, next time you're attracted to someone, think "Why?" and "If I have a crush on this guy, why don't I have a crush on this other guy too?" It's a choice.

Well, think of it this way: I choose to have my opinion on homosexuality even though i'm judged for it a lot of the times, but I still talk about my opinion and express it in everday life. I choose to have that opinion. Just like they choose to have that lifestyle.

 

[QuantaCura]

How is homosexuality a "wrongful desire," though? And how does homosexuality hurt a person like beating a person up does, or like alcoholism does?

Physical harm is not the only kind of harm.

Eternal salvation is living in union with God who is love. In order to be united to Him in love, we must receive His love in faith (trusting that it is truly what is best for us) and abide in it.

When we do things contrary to authentic love it is essentially a choice to live contrary to God's love--it is a rejection of it. This is what sin is. In fact, many saints have described sin as loving the wrong way--such as loving ourselves, our reputations, pleasure, or material possessions, more than God and neighbor. It is harmful to our well-being as it wounds us in our very nature, as creatures of God who bear His image. This is the case whether we do physical harm to someone else or whether we commit the sin in the secrets of our own hearts. It also puts us at enmity with what is actually out Supreme Good.

Homosexual activity in particular is contrary to our very nature as human beings created male and female in the image of God. It is a perversion and abuse of something set aside by God for a sacred purpose--much like fornication, masturbation, lust, adultery, and other sexual sins are. God's love, especially as expressed in the relationship between the Word and the Church, is reflected in conjugal love between a husband and wife like a mirror. That act bears the image of God's eucharistic love for His people--the giving of Self with the potential to bring forth new life, supernatural for God, natural for us.

To act contrary to that model is to act contrary to God who is love. This is true even for married couples who abuse their sexuality even within the confines of marriage. To invite one's beloved to engage in behavior contrary to love is not love at all--as true love seeks the greatest good for the beloved regardless of the sacrifice necessary (I think my signature is sums up this thought, in regards to love of God at least, but love of another human being is no different).

We all have crosses we must bear--everyone does, and often the one's that are least visible are the most tragic. But they can be our salvation or our damnation. It is no doubt that those attracted to the same sex have a difficult cross but we all are called to bear our crosses like Christ did on Good Friday so that we may rise in communion with the love of God like He did on Easter Sunday (and we all fall, but we must get again if we do and take up our cross again, like Christ did when He literally fell.).

 

[HannahBanana]

Physical harm is not the only kind of harm.

Eternal salvation is living in union with God who is love. In order to be united to Him in love, we must receive His love in faith (trusting that it is truly what is best for us) and abide in it.

When we do things contrary to authentic love it is essentially a choice to live contrary to God's love--it is a rejection of it. This is what sin is. In fact, many saints have described sin as loving the wrong way--such as loving ourselves, our reputations, pleasure, or material possessions, more than God and neighbor. It is harmful to our well-being as it wounds us in our very nature, as creatures of God who bear His image. This is the case whether we do physical harm to someone else or whether we commit the sin in the secrets of our own hearts. It also puts us at enmity with what is actually out Supreme Good.

Homosexual activity in particular is contrary to our very nature as human beings created male and female in the image of God. It is a perversion and abuse of something set aside by God for a sacred purpose--much like fornication, masturbation, lust, adultery, and other sexual sins are. God's love, especially as expressed in the relationship between the Word and the Church, is reflected in conjugal love between a husband and wife like a mirror. That act bears the image of God's eucharistic love for His people--the giving of Self with the potential to bring forth new life, supernatural for God, natural for us.

To act contrary to that model is to act contrary to God who is love. This is true even for married couples who abuse their sexuality even within the confines of marriage. To invite one's beloved to engage in behavior contrary to love is not love at all--as true love seeks the greatest good for the beloved regardless of the sacrifice necessary (I think my signature is sums up this thought, in regards to love of God at least, but love of another human being is no different).

We all have crosses we must bear--everyone does, and often the one's that are least visible are the most tragic. But they can be our salvation or our damnation. It is no doubt that those attracted to the same sex have a difficult cross, but we all are called to bear our crosses like Christ did on Good Friday so that we may rise in communion with the love of God like He did on Easter Sunday.

So you think that there's no such thing as an abstinent homosexual, then? After all, homosexual sex is a sin while homosexual desires aren't. What would be so harmful about simply having homosexual desires?