do any of you think or would like to think that John the Baptist is our founder? if you answer this i would really appreciate it if you gave reason for your answer.
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do you think John the Baptist was our founder?
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Third on that. John was called the Baptist because He baptised people, not because he followed th Baptist faith.
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No.Crystal71503 said:
John the Baptist was a prophet who was to announce that Christ was coming, had come. He preached repentence and baptised for repentence, but that baptism was not salvation. John died before the crucifixtion, and even John was not 'saved' until Christ paid the penalty for sin on the cross.
Baptists are called 'baptists' for the way we baptize, but our founder is Christ, since we are memebers of body of Christ. Anabaptists are called that because they insisted on rebaptiszing those who had been baptized as infants. But same with them, their founder is Christ.
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Founder of what? Christ is the founder of Chrisitianity. I do believe that Christian baptism is based on John's baptism. Those he baptized did not have to be rebaptized.
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That would place the Baptist denomination before the ministry of Christ, and before his Death, Ressuretion, and Asension.BjBarnett said:
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How could John not be saved even though he had the indwellng of the Holy Spirit from birth?
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I second that again...........Never heard of John the Baptist founding the Baptist church.Iollain said:
Who came up with that idea?
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Jer 18:2-6
I don't know, the bible clearly states that Jesus is the Head:
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20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Colossians 2
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(((the Head in this verse means Jesus)))
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
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20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Colossians 2
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(((the Head in this verse means Jesus)))
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
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i have heard it before, personally i dont believe it, i wanted to know what the majority thought.
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Many prophets in the OT had the Holy Spirit indwell them at times for the purpose of prophecy. But no one was 'saved' per se until Christ paid the penalty for sin, which He paid from Adam to the Second Coming.theseed said:
I don't believe that John the Baptist had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as we now have it. For one, Jesus said the Comforter could not come until He went to his Father:
Jhn 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
Jhn 14:17 {that is} the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, {but} you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
Jhn 16:7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
Two, if beleivers in God had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit all the time before the death and resurrection of Christ, what was the purpose of the Day of Pentecost?
John had faith...so when the price was paid, he and the other OT saints were saved from sheol (abraham's bosum).
Hbr 11:39 And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised,
Hbr 11:40 because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.
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They are mistaken.BjBarnett said:the RCC doesnt teach it. Im just saying ive actually heard people state it as fact
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Jesus was the first pastor of the Christian church. He used the title "shepherd" many times, but He was the shepherd that "gives life" all shepherd's to come after Christ, (pastors), will have to point to Jesus, pointing to anything else will not lead to life. Jesus is the founder, anyone called to shepherd a flock, that points that flock to Jesus, the one that gives life, is part of His church.
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At an Independant baptist church in Missouri, i've heard this preached... Baptist rehtoric, it got the congregation pumped..
"in the greek it wasnt John the Baptist, just John Baptist!!!!!!!!!!"
Instead of giving a hearty amen with the crowd, i just had to laugh. It was usually said after making a point about other denoms, and it was always inferred that John the baptist founded the denomination. All though if i were to question him on that I dont think he would say JOhn founded the denomination. Hmm.
"in the greek it wasnt John the Baptist, just John Baptist!!!!!!!!!!"
Instead of giving a hearty amen with the crowd, i just had to laugh. It was usually said after making a point about other denoms, and it was always inferred that John the baptist founded the denomination. All though if i were to question him on that I dont think he would say JOhn founded the denomination. Hmm.
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Much truth has already been said here...
Jesus called John the friend of the Bridegroom. John, as an OT-economy prophet, was not part of the Bride (i.e. the church).
I think the title "John the Baptizer" is more accurate.
Good thoughts, all!
Jesus called John the friend of the Bridegroom. John, as an OT-economy prophet, was not part of the Bride (i.e. the church).
I think the title "John the Baptizer" is more accurate.
Good thoughts, all!
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