do you think John the Baptist was our founder?

[@@Paul@@]

Founder of what? Christ is the founder of Chrisitianity. I do believe that Christian baptism is based on John's baptism. Those he baptized did not have to be rebaptized.

Those John Baptized did need to be re-baptized.

John's baptism was to get people believing on Who was to come,,, The baptism during Acts was in believing on Who had come...

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.​

 

[theseed]

Those John Baptized did need to be re-baptized.

John's baptism was to get people believing on Who was to come,,, The baptism during Acts was in believing on Who had come...

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.​

False, show me where John's disiples had to be rebaptized? There are none. The Apostles did not rebaptize them.

 

[theseed]

One question that deals with this issue is this: who baptized Jesus' disciples into Christian baptism? It could not have been Jesus (Jn. 4:1-2). John baptized at least Andrew and another disciple (Jn. 1:35,40), yet there is no record of their rebaptism by Jesus or by others at Pentecost. Apollos is another case of one of John's disciples of whom there is no record of rebaptism into Christian baptism (Acts 18:24-28). In fact, at Pentecost, only those conversing with Peter and who received his word were baptized (Acts 2:37-42). It appears that the disciples of Christ and the 120 in the upper room were not rebaptized into Christian baptism because it would have been repetitious for these believers to ask, "Brethren, what shall we do?" In fact, these 120 may have helped baptize the 3,000

The only possible case for rebaptism in the New Testament is in Acts 19:1-7 (and Calvin disagrees). It seems that these disciples of John's baptism did not have the whole message of John about Jesus and the Holy Spirit when they were baptized. Perhaps they received it secondhand. Therefore, they were rebaptized into Christ by Paul. Calvin says that this rebaptism was not necessarily by water but by Christ's baptism with the Holy Spirit. He points to Paul's action of laying on hands and no mention of water to support his position. There is much disagreement on this text. But if we say John's baptism was not sufficient for Christian baptism, we still have the problems presented by Apollos' baptism, which was seemingly accepted by Aquila and Priscilla at Ephesus, and by the baptism of the faithful before Pentecost.

http://www.founders.org/library/malone1/malone_text.html

 

[@@Paul@@]

False, show me where John's disiples had to be rebaptized? There are none. The Apostles did not rebaptize them.

I would like to hear everyone's interpretation of these verses...

Act 19:1-6 KJV
(1) And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
(2) He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
(3) And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
(4) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
(5) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
(6) And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.​

 

[theseed]

Act 19:1-6 KJV
(1) And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
(2) He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
(3) And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
(4) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
(5) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
(6) And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.​

 

[@@Paul@@]

Act 19:1-6 KJV
(1) And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
(2) He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
(3) And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
(4) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
(5) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
(6) And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.​

So those who believed AND were baptised under John's message of repentance (verse 3,4), where baptized again in the name OF the Lord Jesus Christ... (verse 5)
............AND THEN Paul laid his hands on them AND they were baptized with the Holy Ghost, the baptism of fire... (verse 6)

Are you saying the baptism in verse 5 was not in water?

 

[GreenEyedLady]

So those who believed AND were baptised under John's message of repentance (verse 3,4), where baptized again in the name OF the Lord Jesus Christ... (verse 5)
............AND THEN Paul laid his hands on them AND they were baptized with the Holy Ghost, the baptism of fire... (verse 6)

Are you saying the baptism in verse 5 was not in water?

You are correct Paul, Those who were baptized with Johns Baptism were rebaptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ!

 

[theseed]

Are you saying the baptism in verse 5 was not in water?

Yes. There is no indication of water, but in fact simply the Holy Spirit. There is even more proof beyond this that the Gospel began with John the Baptist. Mark says so. Also, John baptized with water , but Chist baptizes with the Holy Spirit.

 

[@@Paul@@]

Yes. There is no indication of water, but in fact simply the Holy Spirit. There is even more proof beyond this that the Gospel began with John the Baptist. Mark says so. Also, John baptized with water , but Chist baptizes with the Holy Spirit.

There but is also more than one gospel.... Gospel as we all know, means "good news"........

Peter was sent baptizing with water, just like John was.

 

[Ave Maria]

No, John the Baptist did not found the Baptist denominations.

 

[theseed]

There but is also more than one gospel.... Gospel as we all know, means "good news"........

Peter was sent baptizing with water, just like John was.

There is only one true Gospel--thath of Jesus Christ. The beginng of the Gospel begins with John the Baptist! See Mark 1.1

There is no evidence that John's disples had to be rebaptized with water, in the bible.

 

[theseed]

See #6 on this link.

http://www.founders.org/library/malone1/malone_text.html#6

 

[@@Paul@@]

There is only one true Gospel--thath of Jesus Christ. The beginng of the Gospel begins with John the Baptist! See Mark 1.1

There is no evidence that John's disples had to be rebaptized with water, in the bible.

seed,,, Are you pre, post or A-millenial?

 

[theseed]

seed,,, Are you pre, post or A-millenial?

I lean towards the premill. position.

 

[@@Paul@@]

I lean towards the premill. position.

Thanks,,, just wondering.

God Bless..

P.S. Me too.