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There are some who think He plans our lives in every detail however, free will would not exist. We would just be , for lack of a better word, robots. I believe our Father created us to have a relationship with Him. This is only genuine if both parties agree. Now He does have foreknowledge but that is not the same as foreordained which brings me to your OP. He knows when we die and how we die but He does not orchestrate the entire event. Be blessed.In the early parts of my life I kind of assumed it was just bad luck if someone died but the more I lived the more I realized we don't control when we go. I now realize that God actually controls when we go and I personally believe he planned out every little detail of our lives. What do you guys think?
God has the power to get what he wants and not have it infringe on our free will. He can do this by putting us in situations that lead us to doing what he wants. We do have free will but it's layered underneath God's will.
In the early parts of my life I kind of assumed it was just bad luck if someone died but the more I lived the more I realized we don't control when we go. I now realize that God actually controls when we go and I personally believe he planned out every little detail of our lives. What do you guys think?
But He is not a cruel taskmaster, micromanaging our every step, to His will.
Hello ImAllLikeOkWaitWat, since God ordains* whatsoever comes to pass (or it does not come to passGod has the power to get what he wants and not have it infringe on our free will. He can do this by putting us in situations that lead us to doing what he wants. We do have free will but it's layered underneath God's will.
Amen brother! In fact, every little detail about everything.In the early parts of my life I kind of assumed it was just bad luck if someone died but the more I lived the more I realized we don't control when we go. I now realize that God actually controls when we go and I personally believe he planned out every little detail of our lives. What do you guys think?
As for what you said in your OP (the part in bold above), since the Lord put our first parents in a situation that included a tree that they were not allowed to eat from, and a being to tempt them into doing just that, do you believe that God "wanted" them to sin? Why/why not?
Like most Christians, you seem to think mere chance has some kind of authority in causation. It is self-contradictory to say so.I don't think he wanted them to sin but I believe he viewed it as "no matter what you think or do I'm gonna get what I want in the end". And what's interesting about that is we don't exactly know what he wants other than the best for us. This is why we need faith, to trust in him because we don't necessarily know what's good for us or bad, especially in the end. You can look at a situation where something bad happens and say oh well that's bad, but maybe what happened is actually the best possible thing that could happen in the grand scheme.
Keeping in mind that foreknowledge does not preclude human will, God uses human will by internally moving it. We willingly agree, we do not act against our will, but in accordance with our will.There are some who think He plans our lives in every detail however, free will would not exist.
We would just be , for lack of a better word, robots. I believe our Father created us to have a relationship with Him. This is only genuine if both parties agree. Now He does have foreknowledge but that is not the same as foreordained which brings me to your OP. He knows when we die and how we die but He does not orchestrate the entire event. Be blessed.
Exactly. Thank you.Keeping in mind that foreknowledge does not preclude human will, God uses human will by internally moving it. We willingly agree, we do not act against our will, but in accordance with our will.
The bible says that "All things work together for the good of those who love God", God does have a way of working each situation out to our benefit. But He is not a cruel taskmaster, micromanaging our every step, to His will.
As for sin, the Bible tells us God does not "make any one sin", but we sin because of our lusts.
Jas 1:13-14 Let no man say when he is tested, I am tested by God; for it is not possible for God to be tested by evil, and he himself puts no man to such a test: But every man is tested when he is turned out of the right way by the attraction of his desire.
Luk 17:1-2 And he said to his disciples, It is necessary for causes of trouble to come about, but unhappy is he by whom they come. It would be well for him if a great stone was put round his neck and he was dropped into the sea, before he made trouble for any of these little ones.
God knew exactly what was going to happen, because he caused it to happen.
I agree, and so does pastor/theologian Charles H. Spurgeon....we don't exactly know what he wants other than the best for us. This is why we need faith, to trust in him because we don't necessarily know what's good for us or bad, especially in the end. You can look at a situation where something bad happens and say oh well that's bad, but maybe what happened is actually the best possible thing that could happen in the grand scheme.
My husband and I had a similar experience with a speeding sports car on Christmas night some years ago, going at least 100 mph according to observers, where we escaped a full broadside on the passenger's (my) side of the car by less than a second.While driving on the freeway have you ever had a pair of motorcycles fly past you at warp speed and send a chill down your spine, for them and for you?
Last night I was entering the freeway and began to merge onto the first lane and in a split second I had a sense to turn back right and stay as two motorcycles flew right past me. They were probably going about 90+ and had swerved from the left lanes over to the one I was about to get on.
Their life was surely saved, mine more likely. I knew the Lord had kept them and me from dying right then. Praise Him I did!!!
And do.
My husband and I had a similar experience with a speeding race car on Christmas night some years ago, going at least 100 mph according to observers, where we escaped by less than a second.
This "reality" you reference --is it not God's 'invention', created by him? Or do you think it 'just is'? If God is subject to it, and not its owner and master, he is not God.I'm not exactly sure if I completely agree with you here. Mainly because I don't think knowing something is going to happen is the same as causing it. I do imagine reality working in such a way in which God is behind the person who makes every move. The person is the avatar or representation for events that transpire but God is the source behind them working constantly behind the scenes to make his will manifest.
The supposedly 'natural', (though it is not falsifiable), law of cause-and-effect, demands that absolutely everything is caused, and within a chain, beginning with first cause. (Well, to be fair, some like the notion of infinite regression of causes, but that is another matter --it doesn't change this point). Therefore, absolutely everything we think is random, spontaneous, chance or autonomous is not, except God. It is illogical to even say he can 'hand off' some of it to us.
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