Do you think dangers lie in secular music

[philN]

No one said Peter was weak minded. And no one is touting a holier-than-thou attitude except those who believe secular music is wrong.

The weak minded comment, I believe, was intended to mean that secular music is only dangerous if it approached without discernment. Music isn't evil; words aren't evil; the only way evil can enter the picture is if it causes you to sin. And it only causes you to sin if you do not discern what is right and wrong (or as the bible says "test the spirits").

I could go into a long schpeal about how the hierarchy of the sacred and secular is not biblical, but rather platonic greek philosophy, but frankly, I'm tired of people trying to take away my christian liberties and I'm tired of having my faith/salvation called into question because I listen to music that is not created by Christians.

Do watch tv shows made by christians? Do you drive a car that is made by Christians? Do you drink water that is bottled by christians? Your logic is not only terrible, but completely absurd.

 

[foo-oswald]

First of all to say that the writer, who was divinely influenced to write this book of the bible, didn't know what an evil spirit was is ludicrous!

First of all, let me invite you to calm down. Nobody said the writer didn't know what he was talking about. This is the same argument often used when discussing the Book of Revelation and the symbolism that abounds in it.

Mental illness was thought to be "evil spirits" or demonic possession until the late 19th century.

During the time when the events recorded in the Old Testament were occurring, mental illness was an unknown affliction. It was diagnosed as an "evil spirit".

Of course, that is not to say that demon possession does not occur. I believe it has happened. Jesus Himself cast out a few.

But the level you're taking it to is absurd.

Everything that comes against you is filtered through God first. So an evil spirit from God just means that God allowed it to happen. Just like with Job. God brought Job to the attention of Satan. He won't put more on us than we can handle.

I agree. Scripture tells us that He will never allow more to be put on us than we can bear. Praise Him for that!

Yes it doesn't say that it was played in but you can't deny the fact that it was played out. If you wanna believe that the reverse can't happen then go ahead.

Do you see how ludicrous this statement is? You're making an assumption, then giving me some sort of veiled, indignant warning based on that assumption.

If Scripture doesn't say it, then you have no right to pontificate about "the reverse". By doing so, you're opening up a huge can of worms here. Why don't we all just start telling people about what could happen to them if they don't believe- and heed- the warnings present when we reverse Scripture?

Go through the bible and look at the prophets that messed up at one time or another. Peter denied Christ 3 times. Are they weak minded.

I don't know. Are they?

You may think your super saved but we all sin. So we are all weak at times.

When did I- or anyone else- say anything about being "super-saved"? You're not the only Believer who is aware that we all sin. I am painfully aware of just how much in need of the Grace of God I am.

Anyway, what's your point?

I praise God in all things. My work has nothing to do with God but I praise him while I do it.

Exactly! You finally get it. So why is music any different? Give me something besides your belief that "spirits" move through the soundwaves created by musical instruments.

Look at the lenths you go through to protect some secular artists that sing about junk. Put that energy into some good christian music. [/color]

Well, I can say this: You are the king of putting words in someone's mouth. Please tell me which artists that "sing about junk" I am protecting?!?!?

BTW, I do put my energy into "good Christian music". I am a musician. Have been for 18 years.

Anyway, please humor me and tell me what constitutes "good Christian music" to you?

But, I have asked this before, and you still have not dealt with my questions from previous posts. I must assume it is because you have no response.

All you have done in this diatribe of yours is put words in my mouth and make assumptions about what kind of person I am ("super-saved"?)...

 

[GODSCHILD333]

First of all, let me invite you to calm down. Nobody said the writer didn't know what he was talking about. This is the same argument often used when discussing the Book of Revelation and the symbolism that abounds in it.

Mental illness was thought to be "evil spirits" or demonic possession until the late 19th century.

During the time when the events recorded in the Old Testament were occurring, mental illness was an unknown affliction. It was diagnosed as an "evil spirit".

Of course, that is not to say that demon possession does not occur. I believe it has happened. Jesus Himself cast out a few.

But the level you're taking it to is absurd.



I agree. Scripture tells us that He will never allow more to be put on us than we can bear. Praise Him for that!




Do you see how ludicrous this statement is? You're making an assumption, then giving me some sort of veiled, indignant warning based on that assumption.

If Scripture doesn't say it, then you have no right to pontificate about "the reverse". By doing so, you're opening up a huge can of worms here. Why don't we all just start telling people about what could happen to them if they don't believe- and heed- the warnings present when we reverse Scripture?




I don't know. Are they?



When did I- or anyone else- say anything about being "super-saved"? You're not the only Believer who is aware that we all sin. I am painfully aware of just how much in need of the Grace of God I am.

Anyway, what's your point?



Exactly! You finally get it. So why is music any different? Give me something besides your belief that "spirits" move through the soundwaves created by musical instruments.



Well, I can say this: You are the king of putting words in someone's mouth. Please tell me which artists that "sing about junk" I am protecting?!?!?

BTW, I do put my energy into "good Christian music". I am a musician. Have been for 18 years.

Anyway, please humor me and tell me what constitutes "good Christian music" to you?

But, I have asked this before, and you still have not dealt with my questions from previous posts. I must assume it is because you have no response.

All you have done in this diatribe of yours is put words in my mouth and make assumptions about what kind of person I am ("super-saved"?)...

skinster I think you assume too much and for this to be a christian board, there is
not supposed to be quarreling, especially about the holy scriptures, people on this board need to be humble, and take open rebuke, correction to each other is good and healthy as a christian, i think were forgetting the reason God blessed this site to be here, none of us have it all together, but that's why were the body of christ, whoever disagrees, youre truly on the wrong chat board.

 

[philN]

whoever disagrees, youre truly on the wrong chat board.

Huh?

If everyone agreed wholeheartedly about everything, then that would make message boards pretty useless, wouldn't it? I mean, the diversity here is what makes this place what it is.

And there always have been and always will be little disagreements in the body of Christ. Paul and Peter disagreed on certain points. And all the little doctrinal differences that people have are what make polemics interesting and exciting.

People interpret the Bible differently. Obviously, they are not all right, and it's discussion like this that help us determine what is truth and what is not.

 

[Murmur]

No secular music "danger" here.

(I feel like there should be a little theme song in the background or something)

 

[Im_A]

I want to know from everyone if they think there are any dangers in secular music. This can range from all types of music. I will respond after some post. But when I say dangers I mean dangers of living unmoral lives, darkness in sin, or sex drugs and rock and roll. Let me know what you think.

i say no, if anyone let's music control them, they have medication and people that can help them out in this area to say the least.

 

[GODSCHILD333]

Huh?

If everyone agreed wholeheartedly about everything, then that would make message boards pretty useless, wouldn't it? I mean, the diversity here is what makes this place what it is.

And there always have been and always will be little disagreements in the body of Christ. Paul and Peter disagreed on certain points. And all the little doctrinal differences that people have are what make polemics interesting and exciting.

People interpret the Bible differently. Obviously, they are not all right, and it's discussion like this that help us determine what is truth and what is not.

huh? I wasn't saying it was wrong to disagree but you could tell between the conversation, they were not humble, people try to add to the scriptures of what's not there and I caught that, now you coming at me noticing this, is like your saying I'm a happy go lucky christian, honey I've had disagreements with others about christ, but i had to learn to be humble and let my spirit do the teaching and listening not my flesh.I can
tell you only saw one thing and not the whole picture, ask GOD to humble you and show you what I meant, then get back to me.

 

[GODSCHILD333]

philn,
and again about whoever disagrees, i meant with me on what i said about arguing, not disagreeing on a subject or opinion in the body, it's impossible to not disagree with all the diversity, but you can still humble yourself. just because were' on the internet doesn't mean you can't feel the spirit a person brings when there talking on here.
god bless

 

[foo-oswald]

skinster I think you assume too much and for this to be a christian board, there is
not supposed to be quarreling, especially about the holy scriptures, people on this board need to be humble, and take open rebuke, correction to each other is good and healthy as a christian, i think were forgetting the reason God blessed this site to be here, none of us have it all together, but that's why were the body of christ, whoever disagrees, youre truly on the wrong chat board.

Um, if you're speaking to Skinster, why did you quote me?

 

[MikeMcK]

I want to know from everyone if they think there are any dangers in secular music. This can range from all types of music. I will respond after some post. But when I say dangers I mean dangers of living unmoral lives, darkness in sin, or sex drugs and rock and roll. Let me know what you think.

Dangers lurk in all sorts of music if you're not careful what you're putting into your head.

I don't see a moral difference between "Why Don't We Get Drunk and _____" and some of Carman's songs that advocate questionable doctrine.

 

[The Theory]

ironically, many praise and worship songs also advocate questionable doctrine.

 

[MikeMcK]

ironically, many praise and worship songs also advocate questionable doctrine.

The problem with modern praise and worship is that it's geared toward eliciting an emotional response in the worshipper, rather than any actual worship.

 

[MoreInSorrow]

This thread is funny.

 

[cjedick]

dangers lie in weak and influential minds

You stole my words!

 

[foo-oswald]

This thread is funny.

Yes, it is. In sad way, it really is...

 

[WhenFinallySetFree777]

The problem with modern praise and worship is that it's geared toward eliciting an emotional response in the worshipper, rather than any actual worship.

You get a gold star.

 

[Lake]

If their summoning Lucifer up maybe. I'm a secular head.Mainly classical music.I don't see a warning label on my cd's yet.