Do you think dangers lie in secular music

[Nienor]

Heh heh. The Christian music industry wishes.

I think we need to get past these highly defined lines of what is secular and Christian, what is definitely holy and definintely profane. U2 has kicked every other band with Christian members in the face (and everywhere else) as far as getting a relevant and godly message out in the mainstream without it being slaughtered by critics. This, along with other factors, is because they haven't tried to immerse themselves in some Christian subculture, like 99% of the Christian music industry has done. They make krappy "Jesus skipping through daisies" music with no creativity or impact that only Christians are going to consider listening to or buying. I honestly think there is more danger in immersing yourself in that subculture - being not only "not of the world", but also "not in the world". We can't blame the dark for being dark if we're only shining light where light already shines.

 

[Diane_Windsor]

Hi Adam,

Welcome to the forums!

Yes, and this goes for a lot of other things such as television. We make our own decisions, but music can and does influence us.

Diane

 

[WhenFinallySetFree777]

"Well, yes. But there's also some incredible danger in walking. You could trip and potentially mess with your feet, or maybe your face if you trip badly enough to fall on it. If one is walking absentmindedly, there is the potential that you could runinto an inanimate object like a pole, and, in a worst-case scenario, a vehicle could cross your path."

That's why I roll everywhere.

 

[symphonyb]

I'm not dangerous.My life and habits aren't out of control or sinful and I've listened to what this forum calls "secular" all my life.

 

[foo-oswald]

That's why I roll everywhere.

Teh-heh...

 

[Links234]

WELL, MY HUSBAND IS A PRODUCER AND CEO OF HIS OWN RECORD LABEL WHICH IS SECULAR RAP MUSIC. WE USED TO ARGUE ABOUT THAT ISSUE OF WHAT GOD THINKS OF THIS MUSIC. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH I DON'T THINK IT ENDANGERS US, WE MAKE OUR OWN CHOICES AND IF MUSIC IS SUPPOSED TO DRAW YOU AWAY FROM OUR LORD THEN YOU WEREN'T FOR REAL ABOUT YOUR SALVATION WITH HIM. MUSIC IS FROM GOD, AND I DON'T FEEL GOD IS
IN RAP BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE RAPPERS AND SINGERS ARENT DEVILISH PEOPLE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, MOST REALLY DO LOVE GOD LIKE YOU AND ME, THERE ONLY HUMANS, AND IF YOU LISTEN TO FOLKS LIKE JAY-Z,KANYE WEST,DMX,AND 50 CENT ( I MEAN THIER CD'S) YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THEIR JUST LIKE US GOING THROUGH A SPIRITUAL WARFARE WITHIN THEMSELVES, YOU HAVE TO PRAY FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE TOO! YOU
THINK BECOUSE THEIR FAMOUS THAT THEY DONT HAVE A SOUL EITHER? THE PROBLEM WITH US CHRISTIANS IS THAT WE ARE QUICK TO JUDGE THE UNRIGHTEOUS AND WE FORGET THEIR INHERITING THE SAME PROMISE AND LIFE OUR GOD HAS FOR US WHEN WE GOT SAVED.

Perhaps your sugar daddy can teach you to spell and turn off "caps lock," as well.

Who knows?

 

[tru_believer]

well I listen to all types of music and I guess if you allow music to control you or take over your thoughts ,some of it could be bad but I love rock and even ozzie osborn is good , he has some really good music and some with wonderful messages(even though people say he is" sooo bad"I just love music and it makes me feel good but christian music is wonderful too.

 

[Links234]

Most of the bands I listen to are German.

By her standards, that makes me a Nazi.

*rolls eyes*

 

[GiLphish7284]

>it sets the mode...wouldn't you think...ok if you're listening to certain dance music that talks about (well we won't go there) that's generally what you continue to dwell on...I believe its our calling to be strong...Have wise judgment...It also depends on the mind, some can handle listening to all types of music...God asks us to be in sober mind always b/c we are to always under attack and it could come at any time...so what we meditate on forms what and how we begin to view all aspects of life.
wouldn't you say? Joyce meyers says that we all have our own convictions...I believe that's true...b/c we all have different callings and ministry.
Just stand firm in your faith...and you won't waiver.

 

[TheDandyMan]

WELL, MY HUSBAND IS A PRODUCER AND CEO OF HIS OWN RECORD LABEL WHICH IS SECULAR RAP MUSIC. WE USED TO ARGUE ABOUT THAT ISSUE OF WHAT GOD THINKS OF THIS MUSIC. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH I DON'T THINK IT ENDANGERS US, WE MAKE OUR OWN CHOICES AND IF MUSIC IS SUPPOSED TO DRAW YOU AWAY FROM OUR LORD THEN YOU WEREN'T FOR REAL ABOUT YOUR SALVATION WITH HIM. MUSIC IS FROM GOD, AND I DON'T FEEL GOD IS
IN RAP BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE RAPPERS AND SINGERS ARENT DEVILISH PEOPLE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, MOST REALLY DO LOVE GOD LIKE YOU AND ME, THERE ONLY HUMANS, AND IF YOU LISTEN TO FOLKS LIKE JAY-Z,KANYE WEST,DMX,AND 50 CENT ( I MEAN THIER CD'S) YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THEIR JUST LIKE US GOING THROUGH A SPIRITUAL WARFARE WITHIN THEMSELVES, YOU HAVE TO PRAY FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE TOO! YOU
THINK BECOUSE THEIR FAMOUS THAT THEY DONT HAVE A SOUL EITHER? THE PROBLEM WITH US CHRISTIANS IS THAT WE ARE QUICK TO JUDGE THE UNRIGHTEOUS AND WE FORGET THEIR INHERITING THE SAME PROMISE AND LIFE OUR GOD HAS FOR US WHEN WE GOT SAVED.

Your, uh, caps lock button is on. You might want to check that the next time you write a post, because it's really hard to read.

That's why I roll everywhere.

Good thinking. Going up flights of stairs would be pretty tricky, and the vehicle danger is still eminent, but that's a very creative way to deal with the situation.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

"If you can say that secular music isn't bad for you then you must say that christian music isn't good for you."

How about this. Secular does not equal immoral. Secular does not equal godless. Secular means not dealing with God. I know lots of secular songs that deal with lots of good themes (redemption, love, etc.) without ever needing to make any obvious references about God. A song about a father's love that doesn't mention God in any way is secular. But it can feed your soul. And if you are strong in your faith and your moral fiber, a song's lyrics won't affect your behavior. A song you are listening to can be more an expression, an outlet of what you feel as opposed to something feeding something into you. And angry song doesn't make me angry. But when I'm angry, and angry song will help to bleed my anger. A happy Jesus song when I'm angry doesn't really do anything.

 

[Chrome]

That's why I roll everywhere.

or you could butt-hop, but then you have to watch out for airborne dangers too, so that probably won't work...

/thinks

 

[foo-oswald]

Perhaps your sugar daddy can teach you to spell and turn off "caps lock," as well.

Who knows?

...I love you...

 

[intricatic]

Only if you feel that we are victims to our circumstances.

 

[Skinster007]

So let's get this straight. Not dealing with God doesn't mean godless? We're supposed to glorify God in all that we do. If you're angry then u need to be in prayer. Listening to a song about Jesus should lift your spirit. You don't think that angry song his feeding something into your spirit? It may releive your flesh of it's anger but why? It's like a druggie getting a fix. Your flesh is angry, you feed into that anger with an angry song and your flesh get's that release. Are you singing the lyrics along with the song? Let's look at some scripture....

1 Samuel 16:23
23And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

David's music delivered Saul. David's spirit moved within his music. The demon was played out of Saul. If the person playing the music is not saved, spirits will travel withing their music as well. Demons can be played in.


Proverbs 15:4
4 A gentle tongue is a tree of life; But perverseness therein is a breaking of the spirit.

What you speak has an affect on your spirit. You can speak life and you can speak death. Pay close attention to the lyrics you are singing into your soul.

I said these things in another post. Pray and ask God if there is something in the music, to reveal it to you. Look at the prophets. They all had strong faith but they messed up in one place or another. So don't think that your faith is so strong that you will be able to listen to any old thing and it won't have an affect on your spirit.

 

[The Theory]

1 Samuel 16:23
23And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

David's music delivered Saul. David's spirit moved within his music. The demon was played out of Saul. If the person playing the music is not saved, spirits will travel withing their music as well. Demons can be played in.

This is an interesting scripture because it says that the evil spirit was FROM GOD. That doesn't nessisarily have relevance to this topic, but I found it interesting.

Though, I tend to be someone who sees the story as more of a metaphor... that chances are instead of being an evil spirit, Saul was probably bipolar or something since they didn't understand mental illness back then. They just used the term "evil spirit" because of their limited understanding.

 

[jacko50]

dangers lie in weak and influential minds

The greatest quote EVER!

I couldn't agree more, I have seen a great friend recently move away from Christ due to his weak and influential mind, I always knew he wasn't the mentally strongest person, but I always hoped that would have found Jesus to be the rock in his life that kept him stable. Obviously not, now he's lost!

As I have stated in other threads, I listen to a lot of secular music, Slipknot and AC/DC are 2 of my favorite bands. But I don't let the lyrics influence what I think as I know that they are not good for me and that the only words I should listen to is the word of God.

I also agree with Christian music not being 'good' for you, Christian music is so I can worship God, not so I can recieve anything from it.

 

[ALABALE]

"Piggy-backing" on what BOJAX said - But I'll say it this way: Dangers lie in vulnerable and influential minds.

 

[foo-oswald]

So let's get this straight. Not dealing with God doesn't mean godless?

No, it doesn't. When I'm at work, doing my menial daily tasks, I'm not "dealing with God". When I go to the bathroom, I'm not "dealing with God". I'm making my statement this way because I'm guessing that's what you meant when you asked the question. If I've missed your point, please forgive me.

We're supposed to glorify God in all that we do.

Yes, you are right. But your definition of what does and does not glorify God is not the universal standard.

If you're angry then u need to be in prayer. Listening to a song about Jesus should lift your spirit. You don't think that angry song his feeding something into your spirit? It may releive your flesh of it's anger but why? It's like a druggie getting a fix. Your flesh is angry, you feed into that anger with an angry song and your flesh get's that release. Are you singing the lyrics along with the song? Let's look at some scripture....

1 Samuel 16:23
23And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

Yeah, I'm with The Theory on this one. It makes more contextual sense if you see the symbolism in the passage, especially in light of this: "the evil spirit from God".

The demon was played out of Saul. If the person playing the music is not saved, spirits will travel withing their music as well. Demons can be played in.

I disagree. This passage doesn't use the word "demon". It uses "evil spirit from God". It also doesn't say that this "evil spirit" moved into Saul through music. You're twisting the context here to try and prove your point, and it's not working.

Proverbs 15:4
4 A gentle tongue is a tree of life; But perverseness therein is a breaking of the spirit.

What you speak has an affect on your spirit. You can speak life and you can speak death. Pay close attention to the lyrics you are singing into your soul.

I'm not sure what this is all about. I haven't read any posts that are promoting perverse speech. You're erring by opining that all secular music is perverse, and all CCM is a "tree of life", when the unfortunate facts are that one can easily find gentleness and life in lyrics that aren't found in the local Christian Bookstore. Another unfortunate fact is that you can find a dumptruck full of meaningless tripe lining the shelves of that same store, and vice-versa.

Has it occurred to you yet during this debate that some of the CCM artists are just pulling lyrics out of their rear-end to meet their contractual requirements? I assure you they do, as I opined in my previous post.

What kind of "spirits" would you suggest move in those tunes? On the other hand, what about bands such as U2? All four members profess to be Christians. What type of "spirits" move in their tunes?

 

[Skinster007]

First of all to say that the writer, who was divinely influenced to write this book of the bible, didn't know what an evil spirit was is ludicrous!

Everything that comes against you is filtered through God first. So an evil spirit from God just means that God allowed it to happen. Just like with Job. God brought Job to the attention of Satan. He won't put more on us than we can handle.

Yes it doesn't say that it was played in but you can't deny the fact that it was played out. If you wanna believe that the reverse can't happen then go ahead.

Go through the bible and look at the prophets that messed up at one time or another. Peter denied Christ 3 times. Are they weak minded. You may think your super saved but we all sin. So we are all weak at times. I praise God in all things. My work has nothing to do with God but I praise him while I do it. Look at the lenths you go through to protect some secular artists that sing about junk. Put that energy into some good christian music.