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I believe the Bible should be taken literally and so if God said to do something, then He means it! PERIOD!
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jdw4jesus said:
I agree. But the question remains, what exactly did God say to do?
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I try to catch myself, and just say yes or no, instead of I swear to God, or other varients. It is a hard habit to break, that is for surelambslove said:
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lambslove said:
The only oath I've ever knowingly made was during my wedding before God, my wife, my family and friends.
I've pledged allegiance to the US flag before (lived and was educated in the US for three years) and it is an oath but I wasn't aware of what I was doing at the time. Being a Canadian, I technically should not have made that oath but do not consider it a big deal.
Other than that, I let my words be my bond.
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I was in court this week for jury duty. I was a member of the pool. I didn't end up being called though so I just sat in the benches waiting. During the jury selection, when a juror was selected by the two lawyers the court officer asked the juror, "Do you want to swear on the Bible, or just affirm?" (btw I'm really getting to be sick to my stomach of the Canadian Gov'ts liberalism... I mean seriously sick).
Anyway during that process I thought back to this thread that I had glimpsed the other day. I noticed that of the twelve jurors 'sworn' in only one of them chose to "affirm". So I had to ask myself while I was sitting there whether or not I would have picked the Bible or just affirmed. Which is, I think, pretty ironic considering who I am and what I believe. That I would even consider choosing "affirm" rather than the Bible was a funny kind of notion. Anyway I decided that if I got picked I would have used the Bible method. It was a better public testimony of what I believed in or what was sacred to me. But that's just me.
Anyway during that process I thought back to this thread that I had glimpsed the other day. I noticed that of the twelve jurors 'sworn' in only one of them chose to "affirm". So I had to ask myself while I was sitting there whether or not I would have picked the Bible or just affirmed. Which is, I think, pretty ironic considering who I am and what I believe. That I would even consider choosing "affirm" rather than the Bible was a funny kind of notion. Anyway I decided that if I got picked I would have used the Bible method. It was a better public testimony of what I believed in or what was sacred to me. But that's just me.
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BT said:
Is allowing an option to affirm what you consider to be an example of the Canadian gov'ts liberalism that makes you sick? This has been situation in the US since its founding and is also the case in the UK since the 18th century. I'm still researching when it was available in Canada and will post what I find.
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BT said:
I'm not saying this is ok, just that it has been around for a while for various reasons and isn't something new.
In Canada, the earliest instance I could find was 1985 but I suspect it has been around for longer.
If 1985 was the beginning of solemn affirmation in Canada (which I doubt it is), then it was right at the beginning of Brian Mulroney's Conservative government which started in 1984.
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Affirm - to say positively; declare firmly; assert to be true; to make valid; confirm; uphold; ratify.
Oath - a ritualistic declaration, typically based on an appeal to God or a god or to some revered person or object, that one will speak the truth, keep a promise, remain faithful, etc.
I, personally, do not see any fundamental or practical difference. There is only a "legal" difference. But one is "swearing" either way as I see it. Both methods are requiring a person to state more than just "yes".
If one participates in government, law, marriage, military, etc. they will be swearing an oath or affirmation of some sort somewhere along the way.
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Oath - a ritualistic declaration, typically based on an appeal to God or a god or to some revered person or object, that one will speak the truth, keep a promise, remain faithful, etc.
I, personally, do not see any fundamental or practical difference. There is only a "legal" difference. But one is "swearing" either way as I see it. Both methods are requiring a person to state more than just "yes".
If one participates in government, law, marriage, military, etc. they will be swearing an oath or affirmation of some sort somewhere along the way.
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What this verse means: Do not let an oath speak for you. It has nothing to do with swearing an oath. It's says let your words be the judge of you, not your associations. The same is true for all of your Christian witness. Membership to a church does not make you a Christian. Same thing.
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Gold Dragon said:
Stupid me. Canada was under British law before 1867 and solemn affirmation was British law in 1712. So Canada (before we were a country) has had solemn affirmation for about 300 years.
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Sorry GD when we think of you the word "stupid" doesn't eneter into the picture
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Uncle Bud said:Sorry GD when we think of you the word "stupid" doesn't eneter into the picture
Thanks for the kind words.
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The Holy Spirit helps us to understand The Bible, what do these verses mean?
For me (and I'm not saying I am right in this) the rich (in red) and lost are compared to the bretheren (in purple) and instruction is given about what comes from inside the man. We don't need to swear on this or that, we don't need to promise to another. If we speak it we do it. It is a pure intention.
[1] Go to now, [ye] rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon [you]. [2] Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. [3] Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. [4] Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. [5] Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. [6] Ye have condemned [and] killed the just; [and] he doth not resist you. [7] Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. [8] Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. [9] Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. [10] Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. [11] Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. [12] But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. [13] Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. [14] Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: [15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. [16] Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
James
For me (and I'm not saying I am right in this) the rich (in red) and lost are compared to the bretheren (in purple) and instruction is given about what comes from inside the man. We don't need to swear on this or that, we don't need to promise to another. If we speak it we do it. It is a pure intention.
[1] Go to now, [ye] rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon [you]. [2] Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. [3] Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. [4] Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. [5] Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. [6] Ye have condemned [and] killed the just; [and] he doth not resist you. [7] Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. [8] Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. [9] Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. [10] Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. [11] Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. [12] But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. [13] Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. [14] Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: [15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. [16] Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
James
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