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Do you struggle with sin?

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Putting aside the fact that we're not going to agree on what specifically is/isn't a sin, do you struggle with sin? Is there anything about yourself that you think, say or do that you wish you didn't? Do you think these things harm you in nay way? Harm others?

Feel free to be vague about the specifics I don't want to pry into your personal lives, this thread is just about sin (or "sin") generally.
 

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To me, God is so holy, like wow, that yeah, I'm probably sinning just by writing this right now in ways that I'm not even consciously aware of.

I honestly don't believe that it's possible to be a truly sinless Christian.

So sure.

I struggle. :)
 
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Is there anything about yourself that you think, say or do that you wish you didn't?

Sure, I have little bad habits that can sometimes be difficult to suppress.

As I see it, problems with changing such habits usually have to do with picking the wrong method of change. We tend to focus on one approach, and ignore others. For instance, an act of will in the moment is often insufficient for handling all instances in which one may think, say, or do something that one would prefer not to. That's not to say that will is unimportant, but if you don't address other issues, your will may be less effective than you desire.

I've heard it said that people change when they are strongly motivated to change. There are motivations that "pull us forward". If one feels motivated to accomplish something, then seeing how a bad habit interferes with that goal, and how some other behavior would bring one closer to one's goal, can provide that means to change.

There are also qualities of personhood, such as self-esteem, that can "lift us up" by giving us confidence and peace of mind, and by satisfying whatever need is behind the bad habit. As I see it, this is the most effective long term approach, but you might need to use the others in conjunction with this.

All that said, I'm not suggesting that any of this is easy, or that I'm an expert at this in my own life, but I find that this is a good way to look at the issue.


eudaimonia,

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Putting aside the fact that we're not going to agree on what specifically is/isn't a sin, do you struggle with sin? Is there anything about yourself that you think, say or do that you wish you didn't? Do you think these things harm you in nay way? Harm others?

Feel free to be vague about the specifics I don't want to pry into your personal lives, this thread is just about sin (or "sin") generally.
Hi Jasper, you are not a spy, sent out by the Vatican, are you? :)
The unforgivable sin is the one to watch out for. Of which, is outside of Gods domain.
 
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Putting aside the fact that we're not going to agree on what specifically is/isn't a sin, do you struggle with sin?

In a Christian sense, no.
But I'm happy to admit I am far from perfect, I have made poor choices, and I have bad habbits.
 
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What's described in the OP sounds like a nasty habit (or habits) that you can't seem to get rid of even though you try. And not just half-heartedly, either.

I'm very glad to see that I'm very much free of those. I can't think of any compulsions, addictions or behavioural patterns that drive me.

Which is not to say that I'm without fault - quite the contrary. My biggest flaw is sloth, hands down. I'm a procrastinator if ever there was one, always depending upon some kind of pressure for motivation. However, I rarely let anybody down: when things need to be done, I get them done on time - even if I only start at the last possible moment.
 
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Yes, everyone sins. If we didn't, then there would have been no need for Christ to die for our sins. If you think Holy enough of your self to where you don't think you sin, than you have some spiritual problems going on, and you need to get right with God.

There is nothing that I wish I didn't do, I have learned from my past sins and have grown spiritually from them.
 
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Yes, everyone sins. If we didn't, then there would have been no need for Christ to die for our sins. If you think Holy enough of your self to where you don't think you sin, than you have some spiritual problems going on, and you need to get right with God.

I don't think any of us think we are too holy.
Not being Christian means I don't acknowledge everything the Bible says is sinful as actually being sinful. Not all of it applies.

I'm doing quite well with my spirituality as it is, but thanks anyway.
 
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do you struggle with sin?

I appreciate mark's practical perspective on this. Here's another:

to sin refers to an archer, not hitting his target.

G-d's perspective is not so much that we miss the target, but that we aim at the wrong target.

So when we "struggle with sin," is it that we are trying hard for the wrong things? That's the way I'd use the phrase.


What I think the OP was trying to convey, I would express as struggling against sin, as in:

Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin."

Inject that into the recent discussion on ways of looking at the Cross of Christ; that one wasn't mentioned, and it's an important one that is also echoed in the Koran. It speaks of eternal life and says, "let the competitors compete." I think that's an element missing from the US Church today.


I'll also add that I'm not big on the idea of telling someone else a particular behavior is wrong, to try to force them to stop doing it. I'm not sure why, but it seems that may surprise people here. Defining "sin," and picking what ones to try to do something about, is very much a personal thing between an individual and G-d. I'm big on gaining a clearer focus of G-d Himself.
 
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You don't gether sticks on Sunday do you? ^_^ Errm, I mean Saturday

I wonder if there is a compilation of all the sins in the Bible that aren't illegal...
 
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Putting aside the fact that we're not going to agree on what specifically is/isn't a sin, do you struggle with sin? Is there anything about yourself that you think, say or do that you wish you didn't? Do you think these things harm you in nay way? Harm others?
I do struggle with sins, particularly judging others, getting angry, making snarky comments, lust and masturbation, being greedy and not donating to charity, and laziness. Since Jesus says that he wants industrial-strength sinners--see Luke 18:9-14 or Luke 7:36-50--this seems to me like cause for concern. If I had a proclivity towards more serious sins like robbing banks, or even working for banks, I might struggle less.
 
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I do struggle with sins, particularly judging others, getting angry, making snarky comments, lust and masturbation, being greedy and not donating to charity, and laziness. Since Jesus says that he wants industrial-strength sinners--see Luke 18:9-14 or Luke 7:36-50--this seems to me like cause for concern. If I had a proclivity towards more serious sins like robbing banks, or even working for banks, I might struggle less.
No need to hang your washing out on the line here.
 
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On another forum there was a discussion, and the name of Karl Barth turned up, one of the most well known Protestant theologians of the 20th century. His "Church Dogmatics" runs into several volumes ( this, not always a good sign....:cool: ). But it was said that Barth came within an inch of equating original sin with free will.

This was offered in part after some words of Thomas Merton were quoted, which in some ways says the very same thing....

The mere ability to choose between good and evil is the lowest limit of freedom, and the only thing that is free about it is the fact that we can still choose good.

To the extent that you are free to choose evil, you are not free. An evil choice destroys freedom.

We can never choose evil as evil: only as an apparent good. But when we decide to do something that seems to us to be good when it is not really so, we are doing something that we do not really want to do, and therefore we are not really free.

Perfect spiritual freedom is a total inability to make any evil choice. When everything you desire is truly good and every choice not only aspires to that good but attains it, then you are free because you do everything that you want, every act of your will ends in perfect fulfillment.

Freedom therefore does not consist in an equal balance between good and evil choices but in the perfect love and acceptance of what is really good and the perfect hatred and rejection of what is evil, so that everything you do is good and makes you happy, and you refuse and deny and ignore every possibility that might lead to unhappiness and self-deception and grief. Only the man who has rejected all evil so completely that he is unable to desire it at all, is truly free. God, in whom there is absolutely no shadow or possibility of evil or of sin, is infinitely free. In fact, he is Freedom.

(From "New Seeds of Contemplation")

So, to live is to "sin", to choose is to "sin" - until we are one with the Divine. And to become one with the divine is by Grace, which has been expressed in Christian mystical language.........."In giving us His love God has given us His holy spirit so that we can love Him with the love wherewith He loves himself. We love God with His own love; awareness of it deifies us." It is not of "ourselves".

Such expressions have the approval of certain Buddhists (which I feel bound to say, seeing no restrictions on "grace") The Buddhist way has many parallels with the apophatic Christian Tradition, the way of Unknowing, or the negative way. Most of which is above my head, apart from just being aware that what is of "myself", seems more often than not a constant stream of pettiness, judgements and a host of other things that should not be mentioned on a family forum! But for me, this is "seen" in the warm light of infinite compassion, and it is this light that transforms such baseness to a love that just sometimes I get glimpses of, or rather, am able to express.

In the meantime, as I wallow, there are the words of Julian of Norwich....

If there be anywhere on earth a lover of God who is always kept safe, I know nothing of it, for it was not shown to me. But this was shown: that in falling and rising again we are always kept in that same precious love.

And, just for the sake of Inter-faith dialogue, a verse from the hymns of Shinran, a 12th century Japanese man of the Buddhist Pure Land faith...

My eyes being hindered by blind passions,
I cannot perceive the light that grasps me;
Yet the great compassion, without tiring,
Illumines me always.

Which says much the same thing.
 
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Putting aside the fact that we're not going to agree on what specifically is/isn't a sin, do you struggle with sin? Is there anything about yourself that you think, say or do that you wish you didn't? Do you think these things harm you in nay way? Harm others?

Feel free to be vague about the specifics I don't want to pry into your personal lives, this thread is just about sin (or "sin") generally.
Since I'm not 100% obedient to God, then I will still sin. But if I were to continuously obey God willfully (Rom. 8:14) and genuinely repent, then He would eventually grant me maturity (1 John 5:18).

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Jesus keeps the person from sinning and God does not permit Satan to tempt the person when He sees continual obedience and genuine repentance (which is why converts still sin after being born again).

Genuine repentance is what God is looking for.
 
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The risk today is, generlization of sin/sins. There is sin against God and sin against man. I think it mentions this in the NT, something like if you have unsettled buisness with your fellow, lay down your offer, and go settle up with him. Come then and offer. The victim alone owns the copyright to forgive the criminals who commited crimes against him. Anyone who speaks on his behalf, without permission, is no different than a common thief. Just saying, so you don,t be dissapointed.
 
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I don't struggle with sin in the theological sense, since I am not Christian.

However, I do less than savory things and have bad habits and a generally negative attitude among many other things that I need to work on to better myself as a person, I am a very long shot from perfect. :p
 
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I don't think any of us think we are too holy.
Not being Christian means I don't acknowledge everything the Bible says is sinful as actually being sinful. Not all of it applies.

I'm doing quite well with my spirituality as it is, but thanks anyway.

Here, let me rephrase this: If you don't think you sin, you are thinking to highly of yourself. Assuming we are Christians, I am including things that are considered sins in the Bible.

Either you believe what the Bible says, or you don't. The Bible isn't a book where you pick and choose what you want to believe. If you are a Christian and do not believe everything that the Bible says, then there is a spiritual problem between you and God. The Bible is God's word, and everything in it.

My original message wasn't towards you, it was meant to be plural.
 
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