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Do You Respect Charles Darwin's Work?

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  • I have a great respect for his work (I have read a great deal of it)

  • I have no respect for his work (I have read a great deal of it)

  • His work is so-so (I have read a great deal of it)

  • I have great respect for his work (I have read some of it)

  • I have no respect for his work (I have read some of it)

  • His work is so-so (I have read some of it)

  • I have a great respect for his work (I have read nearly none of it, though)

  • I have no respect for his work (I have read nearly none of it, though)

  • His work is so-so (I have read nearly none of it, though)


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Bushido216

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WOW! Someone call the papers! After 150 years hesalive has destroyed evolutionary theory in one post!

Actually, you didn't. Darwin never touched the supernatural. He only meant to describe the Origin of Species, a purely natural event. It was a scientific theory like all of the others that you accept out of hand. There are no logical inconsistencies.
 
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mhess13 said:
Darwin did good work alright, he did satan's bidding to come up with a dumb theory to cause people to believe that there is no creator and damn their souls to eternal hell.
Nice work Charlie.
mhess13 - Darwin references the Creator IN HIS WORK. You should read it before you make accusations like this.
 
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notto said:
mhess13 - Darwin references the Creator IN HIS WORK. You should read it before you make accusations like this.
Maybe you should look at the result of his work. Countless people have turned from belief in God because of evolution.
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id39.html
Just because Charlie mentioned a creator doesn't mean a thing--evolution needs no creator and certainly not the creator in the Bible!
 
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No, countless people have turned from belief in God because they have been told by other Christians that science is wrong and they should not accept evolution. When they actually become educated on the theory and accept it and other science, it is the Christians who lied to them and told them that science and evolution is incompatible with the bible that are responsible for them turning from belief in God.

Evolution does not equal atheism.

Countless people have no problem accepting evolution and still being Christian and accepting God as the Creator.

You should actually read some Darwin. You seem to be fairly misinformed about what his work actually says.

The theory of evolution says nothing about the existence or lack of existence of God. Just like the rest of science. The theory of evolution explains the diversity of life on the planet. That is all.

The article you linked to has more to do with geology than evolution. Is mainsteam Geology the work of Satan as well?
 
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notto said:
No, countless people have turned from belief in God because they have been told by other Christians that science is wrong and they should not accept evolution. When they actually become educated on the theory and accept it and other science, it is the Christians who lied to them and told them that science and evolution is incompatible with the bible that are responsible for them turning from belief in God.

Evolution does not equal atheism.

Countless people have no problem accepting evolution and still being Christian and accepting God as the Creator.

You should actually read some Darwin. You seem to be fairly misinformed about what his work actually says.

The theory of evolution says nothing about the existence or lack of existence of God. Just like the rest of science. The theory of evolution explains the diversity of life on the planet. That is all.

The article you linked to has more to do with geology than evolution. Is mainsteam Geology the work of Satan as well?
The only way evolution and Christianity are compatible is if the Bible is a complete lie. If God lied about creation, or if it is an allegory, then maybe your salvation is only an allegory too!
Funny how the TE crowd scoff at the Bible except for salvation by grace. They throw out the whole Bible except for the part they like.
 
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TE's don't throw out the bible AT ALL. Again, notice that YOU are stating that if evolution and Christianity are compatible then the Bible is a complete lie. It is YOU who are saying that the bible is a complete lie, not scientists or those that accept evolution AND are Christian.

I accept evolution, I am a Christian, I don't accept that the bible is a complete lie, those are your words. Now, if you convince someone that what you say is true, of course they will reject God when they find out that evolution is valid and that YEC is false. You can't blame that on evolution or science, the blame clearly lies on the ones who TOLD THEM THAT IF EVOLUTION IS TRUE, THE BIBLE IS A LIE.

I have faith that my salvation is not an allegory. I have faith that Christ is who the Bible says he is. Accepting evolution does nothing to prevent me from having this faith. I don't believe the lie you and others are telling. Evolution and Christianity are compatible. Just ask all those scientists who accept it.

It is interesting that you mentioned ID in an earlier post. Here is a quote from William Dembski, an often cited, proponent of ID. Is he doing Satan's work?

http://www.arn.org/docs/dembski/wd_idcomingclean.htm

"First off, let me come clean about my own views on intelligent design. Am I a creationist? As a Christian, I am a theist and believe that God created the world. For hardcore atheists this is enough to classify me as a creationist. Yet for most people, creationism is not identical with the Christian doctrine of creation, or for that matter with the doctrine of creation as understood by Judaism or Islam. By creationism one typically understands what is also called "young earth creationism," and what advocates of that position refer to alternately as "creation science" or "scientific creationism." According to this view the opening chapters of Genesis are to be read literally as a scientifically accurate account of the world's origin and subsequent formation. What's more, it is the creation scientist's task to harmonize science with Scripture. Given this account of creationism, am I a creationist? No. I do not regard Genesis as a scientific text. I have no vested theological interest in the age of the earth or the universe. I find the arguments of geologists persuasive when they argue for an earth that is 4.5 billion years old. What's more, I find the arguments of astrophysicists persuasive when they argue for a universe that is approximately 14 billion years old. I believe they got it right. Even so, I refuse to be dogmatic here. I'm willing to listen to arguments to the contrary. Yet to date I've found none of the arguments for a young earth or a young universe convincing. Nature, as far as I'm concerned, has an integrity that enables it to be understood without recourse to revelatory texts. That said, I believe that nature points beyond itself to a transcendent reality, and that that reality is simultaneously reflected in a different idiom by the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments."
 
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mhess13 said:
Maybe you should look at the result of his work. Countless people have turned from belief in God because of evolution.
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id39.html
Just because Charlie mentioned a creator doesn't mean a thing--evolution needs no creator and certainly not the creator in the Bible!
The reason people lose faith is because there are people who constantly tell them that they can't be Christian and accept modern science. When they realize modern science is well supported, they are forced into the false dilemma of choosing God or choosing what they know from science.
 
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notto said:
The theory of evolution says nothing about the existence or lack of existence of God. Just like the rest of science. The theory of evolution explains the diversity of life on the planet. That is all.

A while back I posted the proposition "What is the difference". I posed the question "What is the difference between Theistic evolution and Atheistic evolution?" As I expected there was little response, but the response was in substance exactly what I expected. "There is no difference". Evolution theory is the same with or without God. The question of origin is the most basic to the human question and when it can be answered in a way that does not necessitate a creator, then the subsequent implications of accountability and conviction can be dismissed. This broad road is much more appealing and has had many travel it. No my friend, evolution theory does say something about the existence of God. It says He is not a necessary component of our origin. If you were uncomfortable with the mandates of God upon man to lead a holy life, what would be more appeasing to the conscience than evidence that God is not necessary in balancing the human equation?
 
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hesalive said:
A while back I posted the proposition "What is the difference". I posed the question "What is the difference between Theistic evolution and Atheistic evolution?" As I expected there was little response, but the response was in substance exactly what I expected. "There is no difference". Evolution theory is the same with or without God. The question of origin is the most basic to the human question and when it can be answered in a way that does not necessitate a creator, then the subsequent implications of accountability and conviction can be dismissed. This broad road is much more appealing and has had many travel it. No my friend, evolution theory does say something about the existence of God. It says He is not a necessary component of our origin. If you were uncomfortable with the mandates of God upon man to lead a holy life, what would be more appeasing to the conscience than evidence that God is not necessary in balancing the human equation?
The theory of evolution does not address the origin of life. Darwin attributed the origin of life to the Creator.

Can you point us to peer reviewed scientific research or to any text book on the subject that states that God is not a necessary component of our origin?

Theistic evolutions accept that God IS the creator. God used evolution to create.

The theory of evolution gives us the best answer to why life on earth was very different in the past and why we have the diversity of life on this planet we have now. Whether God is involved or not in the initial creation of that life is left up to the believer to trust that he was.
 
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Chi_Cygni said:
Demon posessed? Problem is that you probably are putting that forward as a serious hypothesis.
I am serious as a heartattack.
I'll repeat it.
I believe that charles darwin was quite possibly demon posessed. I can't be dogmatic on it, but that is my personal belief.
 
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mhess13 said:
The only way evolution and Christianity are compatible is if the Bible is a complete lie. If God lied about creation, or if it is an allegory, then maybe your salvation is only an allegory too!
Funny how the TE crowd scoff at the Bible except for salvation by grace. They throw out the whole Bible except for the part they like.

That's not the case. Infact, we've shown that to be false quite a few times. Stop shoving your fingers in your ears.
 
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mhess13 said:
The only way evolution and Christianity are compatible is if the Bible is a complete lie. If God lied about creation, or if it is an allegory, then maybe your salvation is only an allegory too!
Funny how the TE crowd scoff at the Bible except for salvation by grace. They throw out the whole Bible except for the part they like.
Or maybe your interpretation is not correct? We are all fallible.
 
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