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From God's point of view, the sin nature is covered by the blood of Jesus.
Nobody ever claims the sin is gone or even faded.
But the blood of Jesus covers all your sin nature, your continued rebellion, and your mistakes.
You can't tell me that Born Again Christians stop having car accidents killing carloads of people
or that the texting they do while driving is no longer a sin against God and humanity.
I disagree with your views.Enough with the fruitless bantering. Have you read the text in context now or not?
People indeed have wrong ideas about what salvation means.The Bible says what it says.
Perhaps many people have the wrong idea about what salvation actually means...
I disagree with your views.
Easy with the condescending.
Your interpretations are your opinions, nothing more.
Same as mine and @SkyWriting etc.
Bottom line though, to this entire thread, is that I have been crucified with Christ
The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God. God already dealt with
sin and we can come to Him with a clear conscience, knowing that we can never
be "good enough" to work our way into the kingdom.
17But if, while we seek to be justified in Christ, we ourselves are found to be sinners, does that make Christ a minister of sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I have already torn down, I prove myself to be a lawbreaker. 19For through the Law I died to the Law so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the Law, Christ died for nothing.”d
If that is all you see that the blood of Jesus accomplished, you might as well still bulls and goats. What about "takes away" don't you understand?
Look at the scripture you just quoted. But if, while we seek to be justified in Christ, we ourselves are found to be sinners, does that make Christ a minister of sin? Absolutely not!
That is by association. In other words, if I seek to be justified in Christ so as to have eternal life, but willfully continue in sin, does my continuing in sin make Christ a minister of sin. Absolutely not. A Christian doesn't sin, so that's all on you, babe. If Christ actually lived in you, you wouldn't be sinning and putting Christ in a bad light. That is what the Jews did.
But it is not by our power we cannot sin. We don't have to struggle to be good enough. When Christ puts His Spirit in us, making us born again, it is like putting the energizer bunny in you. The things you couldn't do on your own (like being righteous) the energizer bunny does through you.
Your beliefs are common, but a slap in the face to what Jesus actually did for us.
And Jesus didn't just give us power over sin, He freed us from it.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
But the claim is that these ones NEVER sin because they CANNOT sin. You seem to be contradicting that premise. Which is it? Do these never sin, or just occasionally, but not a lot?i dont say its not authentic , but if they do that over and over they SHOW its not authentic.
But you have stated repeatedly that a true believer CANNOT sin. That would include accidentally. The verse you quote to prove this is 1 John 3:9. This verse states that the reason you CANNOT sin is because you are born of God and the seed of God is in you. Therefore you cannot sin any more than God can sin. Sin is not in you. You cannot sin any more than a good tree can put forth evil fruit.oh no no no , where did you get told that twisting demonic lie? without repentance a turning from ne and unto god to follow and obey jesus there is no forgivness of sin .jesus said "repentance for the forgivness of sin will be preached" .no sorry you dont get to knowibgly continure to serve satan in doing sin you know to be sin and waring aga
inst gid to do so as his enemy and get to enter the kingdom of God.
now if you speak of ambiguus unintentional error ,thats not even knowing you sin ,there is no intent nd the holy spurit will convict and when he does you will repent and not return to doing it.but Sin is Never ever ever acceptable once you know it is sin.we CEASE doing it.
The part where you imagine that people become Jesus at conversion.
It talks about being cleansed from the stain of sin that you carry.
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Being-Cleansed-From-Sin
Become Jesus at conversion? Not quite... But we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16). We are dead to sin (Romans 6:2). We are not in the flesh but in the Spirit (Romans 8:9). We have authority to heal the sick (Mark 16:18). We are no longer willful sinners. (1 John 3:9) We are begotten of God (1 John 3:9) We are righteous (1 John 3:7). We are called children of God (1 John 3:1).
Do you have any idea WHO YOU ARE in Christ??? You are no longer the worm your denomination says you are, and will always be. That is false humility, and from a religious spirit. It is demonic, to steal away your victory.
Christians sin. The only change is that we are forgiven.
God no longer counts our imperfections as deserving of death.
We still have pride, gluttony, idolatry, don't attend church, don't take care of widows, don't feed the poor, forget birthdays...etc.
You are still regurgitating a denominational view that is in gross error.
Ahh...I am missing out on snake handling, drinking any poison without harm, and healing the lame.
You have an interesting life with snakes and no expiration dates on milk in your refrigerator?
That is a sweet deal. How many poisons have you consumed and how many lame have you healed, personally?
You are still regurgitating a denominational view that is in gross error.
YOU say Christians sin. But the WORD OF GOD says, "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9
"Let God be true, but every man a liar"
Do yourself a huge favor, and believe God over your denomination.
That is your mistake. I belong to no denomination, get my information from scripture, and was saved by personal testimony. The only church I've attended regularly did not use bibles much, so they are not my church of choice. And all my connections back top both grand parents are from that church, so I have been in a void as to any church to join.
Mock if you dare, but I wouldn't if I were you.
Psalms 1:1-3
"Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper.
Unfortunately, you do NOT delight in the written word, or even believe it, but would rather "sit in the seat of the scornful."
Good luck with that.
Hebrews 10:30 'For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.'
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