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Do you have to be a good servant to be saved?

Do you have to be a good servant to be saved?

  • Yes

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  • No

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  • I don't know

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Daniel C

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But you didn’t address my reply


Your reply doesn't make sense,at least to me. I dealt with the main point by highlighting this is an issue of belief vs disbelief,not salvation loss.

Paul is the worst witness to call upon to try and support a works based salvation belief,especially the book of Romans which is what you are currently appealing to:

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''Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.''


We cannot sin ourselves out of salvation when we are saved,Grace increases so we are preserved:

(Romans)
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound
 
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Do you believe Jesus is referring to all people in Matthew 25:31-46 or Christians? I tend to think he talks about Christians, since then it makes sense what we do to Christians we are doing to Christ, since God dwells in believers. Not that we shouldn't help all people, but that we have even more responsiblity to help brothers and sisters. What do you think?
 
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Or is it...Are the saved good servants? Or better...are all servants saved?
In the BIBLE, I THINK A NUMBER of the servants are thrown into the lake of fire. Some are called "unfaithful servants". Others may be called "apostate". And so on.
 
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Who grafted in the branches to the olive tree? You said that the branches that are broken off never believed. If they never believed then God wouldn’t have grafted them in to begin with. It wouldn’t make any sense for God to graft in people who don’t believe only to break them off for unbelief.
 
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I believe all the warnings in the Bible that pertain to loss of salvation for sin and lack of love are targeted towards Christians. Sin is irrelevant to someone who does not believe in Christ. No matter how much they refrain from sin or how much good they do they still won’t be saved if they don’t believe. Believing is just the beginning. Once we believe then we can receive the Holy Spirit who will guide us through the rest of our life in this world.
 
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You mean saved person can't choose a sinful lifestyle?
That would be a contradiction IMO. Choosing to willfully live a life full of unrepentant sin is not showing the fruit of the Spirit.
 
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That would be a contradiction IMO. Choosing to willfully live a life full of unrepentant sin is not showing the fruit of the Spirit.
And, as written in the Creator's Word (Scripture), it means the whole body is full of darkness, there is no truth and no light in it when the eye is dark. (1 John)
 
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Correct, and brought to mind an unexpected and unusual picture - God doesn't toy with people as if playing with tinker toys or lincoln logs, just putting them together and taking them apart ad lib.... although He certainly could, in perfect justice and perfect righteousness ....
 
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No I highlighted the verses.If this is the best you have at the end of a days debate to justify works salvation I'm not convinced.
 
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No I highlighted the verses.If this is the best you have at the end of a days debate to justify works salvation I'm not convinced.
? .... 'forget' "works salvation", and see what God's Word Says Clearly. Some branches are grafted in. Some are later broken off and thrown into the fire. Some are never grafted in ever, at all.
 
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Your opening statement is incomplete:

''For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.''

If God gives me a gift and says I can keep it forever only two thing can happen after the transaction-

1) God reclaims the gift he said I could keep forever,so he lied.

2) The gift is honoured and salvation is eternal,God told the truth.

Which one is it?
 
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? .... 'forget' "works salvation", and see what God's Word Says Clearly. Some branches are grafted in. Some are later broken off and thrown into the fire. Some are never grafted in ever, at all.


Are you a branch?
 
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you could give up the free gift, renounce it, turn away from it and lose it,

AS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE.

Or, when did God take away your free will ?
 
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you could give up the free gift, renounce it, turn away from it and lose it,

AS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE.

Or, when did God take away your free will ?


Where in scripture does it say a saved person renounces their salvation?
 
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Where in scripture does it say a saved person renounces their salvation?
Where anywhere , in truth, does God say they cannot renounce their salvation ?

Remember there are some lists of people in Scripture of those who are not found in heaven.
 
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No.. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. And Luke.. this was spoken before Christ died so to whom was He talking? John 3 16 tells you what it takes to be saved. Is it not written or said that all good things come form God? So to be this "good servant" one has to KNOW Him. Then its HIM in us that is the good servant. No were not puppets. Any good I do..is because of Him. Any time I give to others.. I can see I made the choices.. I can see how I did it. But I look around and all I see is HIM. I have to bow.. fall flat and worship Him for its HIM in me.. its the work He started that gives me the heart to do anything good. To think anything good..to love. Its Him.

So He the Father sees us pure holy a finished work THROUGH what Christ already did. So what we do now.. adds or takes away from rewards. As I believe.
 
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Yes of course. But I meant when Jesus says we are to visit those in jail etc. he speaks specifically about visiting Christians in jail. If you give food to starving Christians you give food to Christ, since Christ is the head of the body of Christians, believers.

Of course we are to give all people food, but especially are we to help our sisters and brothers in Christ. That's what I meant concerning Matthew 25:31-46.
 
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That would be a contradiction IMO. Choosing to willfully live a life full of unrepentant sin is not showing the fruit of the Spirit.

If that is true I wasn't saved for a year or so... I don't know... maybe I wasn't ...
 
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Where anywhere , in truth, does God say they cannot renounce their salvation ?

Remember there are some lists of people in Scripture of those who are not found in heaven.

You made a claim about it being written that a saved person can renounce their salvation,now challenged you can't provide it.

That's not very honest of you.
 
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