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I don't understand the question... Of course many will fall away because of tribulation, but the fact remains that they were saved and fell away.
From either side , "cherry-picking" words or verses then claiming support from them when other Scripture clearly shows otherwiseShow me where that scripture I just posted you said they were saved.
In fact, show me where it said they "fell away".
I showed you verses saying they fell away and you ignore them... what do you think thier love growing cold means?
I showed you verses saying they fell away and you ignore them... what do you think thier love growing cold means?
From either side , "cherry-picking" words or verses then claiming support from them when other Scripture clearly shows otherwise
is not wise at all - that's what leads to heresy of osas and the like.
Speaking of which (love growing cold),I showed you verses saying they fell away and you ignore them... what do you think thier love growing cold means?
I have never in my life seen anyone interpret this passage as being unbelievers losing love. At the least, it means Christians will grow less loving, but more likely, that they will no longer maintain their relationship with God.We focused on one of these and it mentioned nothing of the sort. I just took the time to explain it was persecution not abandoning faith.
The love of most growing cold is the heathens turning against Christians more intensely than it's ever been before.
What is the majority of the worlds population? Christian or non-Christian? So most the heathen will turn on Christians. Doesn't say anything about saved falling away though. That is your add on.
Did Jesus ever make any false statement? I don't believe so, and in His way, he is a vine.But is Jesus a vine?
Well, I think you're talking of literalistic, not literal. Here;s a good article on the difference: The Musical Priest: Literal or Literalist? Yes, Catholics DO take the Bible Literally!If no,than the parable is not literal. So I don't see justification for basing doctrine on esoteric messages.
If yes,I would say you are a fool.
You might think classify it as a work.
Let's be reasonable here before we go into the definition of ''works'', you know and I know that faith is belief. Work is activity and generally done repetitively.
Is there any need to argue over the basics of Christianity?
Anything we do is a work. Therefore, faith and belief are acts, or work.You might think classify it as a work.
Let's be reasonable here before we go into the definition of ''works'', you know and I know that faith is belief. Work is activity and generally done repetitively.
Is there any need to argue over the basics of Christianity?
Then why were there more than 12 apostles? Paul was an apostle. So why didn't Paul replace Judas??? Titus and Timothy were appointed to their local Churches by Paul. They are successors of Paul.I think we are going off topic of salvation a little but ill respond to a couple of points.
Judas was replaced because of suicide and the twelve tribes need to be ruled over,with one short a new one was elected. Titus and timothy were not successors but authority in their local area as you acknowledge so this is not ecumenical it's local. At the time the main goal for everyone was soul winning. Does the Catholic church do soul winning anymore?
Baptism saves you from Original Sin. Every day, in our faith, we are saved, and yes, we must work at it. I pray every morning "God, help me to be a better version of myself, to love You and please You in every act I do." I fail at it every day, but I succeed in holy moments. But salvation is not a one-time thing.How is a person saved? Your view as a Catholic?
I don't know what section of the forum/site, if any, we can seek the solution in Scripture to this in..... there is not a need to fail at it every day ..... and I don't think we can derail this thread on this .....I fail at it every day
Then why were there more than 12 apostles? Paul was an apostle. So why didn't Paul replace Judas??? Titus and Timothy were appointed to their local Churches by Paul. They are successors of Paul.
At the time, the main goal was to follow Jesus exactly as the apostles did. And to carry on the faith of the apostles. Winning souls was part of that, and yes, the Catholic Church does work to win souls every day. Around the world, in fact.Baptism saves you from Original Sin. Every day, in our faith, we are saved, and yes, we must work at it. I pray every morning "God, help me to be a better version of myself, to love You and please You in every act I do." I fail at it every day, but I succeed in holy moments. But salvation is not a one-time thing.
Anything we do is a work. Therefore, faith and belief are acts, or work.
Then why do we have acts of faith and acts of belief?Why do you say a person needs a water baptism to be saved?
1 PETER 3:21, along with the end of Matthew's gospel.
Any action,sure. Going to church is works,reading a Bible is works,getting a water Baptism is works etc any action done out of necessity rather than choice is works salvation.
Belief is just something that goes on in your head.
So we are required to do works if we're followers of God. Thanks for the clarification.Because that is what God has always asked and demanded of his people. All the other stuff is unwanted junk to him.
So we are required to do works if we're followers of God. Thanks for the clarification.
Yeah, funny that you admit it...So we are required to do works if we're followers of God. Thanks for the clarification.
Did you ever see a man's body laying on the ground/ road/ without breath ?So Biblically faith is a frame of mind not labour or works.
Well Hebrews 11 says this:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"
So Biblically faith is a frame of mind not labour or works.
Sorry.
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