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Well obviously not,that's why Christ is telling them they lost their first love which is the faith for God,now they've fallen into false worship and need to repent/change their mind and come back to God.
Bear in mind this is a whole group and church he's talking to and not an individual.
Following church teachings and following Christ are often very different,because the churches go against the teachings of Christ to please themselves.
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
Ok so groups can lose their salvation but not individuals?
Really? Like how? Can you give me some examples?
Those who believe in Him unto salvation have already repented and have come to the knowledge of the truth.It’s not only The Fathers “will” (desire) that everyone who looks on the Son and believes shall have eternal life but it is also his “will” (desire) that all men repent and be saved and come to the knowledge of truth and that none should perish. 1 Timothy 2:3-4 2 Peter 3:9.
This is Christ warning a head of time in visions. That is what the book of Revelation is about,so adreesing different churches for their different behavior.
No a saved person cannot lose their salvation once they are born again. They are sealed until the day of redemption,the punishment received is worldly punishment if we sin,not salvation loss.
Those who believe in Him unto salvation have already repented and have come to the knowledge of the truth.
Christ taught this:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.''
And most of the Churches teach mankind needs to add their own work or merit to be saved. I do not see that in Christs statement.
Can't find it, huh? Matthew 25, the entire chapter. All about doing good works for the sake of doing good works, because you know the will of your Master. (Not doing them to please your master-works salvation)Quote the actually scripture so we can examine it properly. Thanks.
Really?
When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
Even now the ax of God’s judgment is poised, ready to sever the roots of the trees. Yes, every tree that does not produce good fruit will be chopped down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 3:10
Nothing evil will be allowed to enter, nor anyone who practices shameful idolatry and dishonesty—but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
Revelation 21:27
Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people. Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God. You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world. Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him.
Ephesians 5:3-6
Jesus replied, “The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed. The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom. The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one. The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil. The harvest is the end of the world, and the harvesters are the angels. “Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in their Father’s Kingdom. Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand!
Matthew 13:37-43
A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? The master will return unannounced and unexpected, and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 24:45-51
All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children. “But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars—their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
Revelation 21:7-8
Can't find it, huh? Matthew 25, the entire chapter. All about doing good works for the sake of doing good works, because you know the will of your Master. (Not doing them to please your master-works salvation)
You are misplacing the order of these ''sin lists'' that condemn people.
The authors are warning the unsaved workers of iniquity will not be saved. It does not say a person is saved and then losses their salvation.
Ephesians 5:1-7
''Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
nor this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.''
You see,nothing about salvation loss and a distinction made between the heathen and Christians. A not what to do to be saved. Nothing about losing salvation.
All the ''sin lists'' are for this purpose. They are prerequisites for the unsaved to find salvation not routines for the saved.
If you choose your plan over Gods,you will not be saved.
“And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among YOU, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.”
Ephesians 5:2-6 KJV
The authors are warning the unsaved workers of iniquity will not be saved.
Ok you say you're not following a works salvation so try this challenge:
Don't go to church,Don't read your Bible,Don't pray,Don't do any religious activities. Do this for two weeks and see what happens.
Ok you say you're not following a works salvation so try this challenge:
Don't go to church,Don't read your Bible,Don't pray,Don't do any religious activities. Do this for two weeks and see what happens.
No I won’t do that because it won’t change a thing. You want me to stop serving God in order to prove a point to you but you can’t even accept what the scriptures say when they’re presented right before you. So no I won’t forsake our Heavenly Father to appease you.
Let’s go back to my post you ignored when I asked “so you believe in faith alone?” Let’s say I truly believe that Jesus Christ has paid for all my sins and I decide to go out and begin going to churches of different denominations and killing everyone I see at each place. Then when the police arrive I begin killing them to and in the process I get shot and die. Am I saved? If not, why?
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