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Do you have to be a good servant to be saved?

Do you have to be a good servant to be saved?

  • Yes

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  • No

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  • I don't know

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Flippant? I think clear and direct would be more appropriate. But either way, Scripture agrees with my statements, which also have nothing to do with Babylon.


I think your Church is the harlot of Babylon and that's what we were talking about,the Catholic Church,hence me referencing Babylon. Anyway.

Why don't we simplify this and go back to the original point:

What do you think it takes to get to heaven?
 
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They were not told to do good works. They were told ''to do the will of the father''.

''21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.''

What is the will of the father?

''For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.''
 
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Yes I did read your post.

I don't care what the Catholic church teaches and reject their claim as an authority.

Peter was not the rock the church is built on referenced to at caesarea philippi,Jesus is.
 
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Jesus is not a vine. Explanation given.
 
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Good Day, Daniel

The will of the Father for Jesus was/is:

John 6 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day

He always does the will of the Father with out fail... checkmate, game over.

In Him,

Bill
 
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Great question.

Paul provides an answer in 1 Cor 6

7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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Right, The father sent us a savior and he wants Mankind to be redeemed through Christ. That was my point with John 3:16,although granted it didn't state that in the verse,just the savior part.

Good verse though.
 
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In that chapter "not everyone who says to ME 'Lord, Lord' will ENTER" Matt 7. He does not find fault with their words, their doctrine... He finds fault with their actions. Their fruit.

They do great works "IN JESUS' name" according to Matt 7.

Ezek 18 explains what is going on

24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

Which is why the result is "I never knew you"
 
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Good Day, Bob

Easier to stick with the explicit meaning the words in the text

Jesus never did the action verb know on the personal pronoun object you.

Thus Grammatically I never knew you is quite clear.

In Him,

Bill
 
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I think your Church is the harlot of Babylon and that's what we were talking about,the Catholic Church,hence me referencing Babylon. Anyway.
I know, hence my reply. Lots of ignorance in the world. Again, so much for Sola Scriptura.
Why don'y we simplify this and go back to the original point:

What do you think it takes to get to heaven?
Do God's will. We enter communion with Him by faith, becoming His sons. Then we're expected to act like it, with the help of grace. It's a package deal, a work of His we cooperate in as we work out our salvation with He who works in us.
 
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Whatever God asks, with the grace He gives to accomplish it. Then He decides how well we've done-with what we've been given.

Exactly. We should never presume on God that we will get in Heaven. Though many evangelicals like to presume on God
 
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They prophecized in His name, they cast out demons in His name, and performed many miracles. How could they do these things in Jesus’ name if they didn’t believe in Him? Jesus may have never “knew” them as in knew them in a relationship but they were obviously believers of Jesus Christ if they were successfully doing these things in His name. The reason they are not permitted into heaven is because they do not do the will of The Father as Jesus said they were workers of lawlessness. Meaning they were sinful and ungodly people.
 
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I never said Judas was a believer.
This thread is about eternal salvation. How do you think yours is holding up?
If you died tonight, how sure are you you'd to heaven?
Have you read the OP and the TREAD?

It does not seem to me to be about eternal salvation.

Perhaps you could show an example post about eternal salvation that I missed ?
 
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You said:''Do God's will. We enter communion with Him by faith, becoming His sons. Then we're expected to act like it, with the help of grace. It's a package deal, a work of His we cooperate in as we work out our salvation with He who works in us.''


Well that is not what the Bible says on how to get to heaven:

''29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.''


This is Paul speaking. He says to be saved you need to believe. He didn't mention a Eucharist or water baptism or confession,just believe.

And after we are saved it is eternal. Salvation is the free gift of God that he will not take be,less he be lying.

''For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.''
 
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Nor is He a wooden "Door" - John 10

It is difficult sometimes, or many times, with the current restrictions on the internet, to determine the reasons or thinking processes that lead to so many errors (rejecting and not understanding Jesus words spoken clearly to little children) posted online, for some things that look obviously so simple to understand for little children, but some "educated" road blocks to understanding have been constructed or are in place some how.
 
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