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Ok, thanks for your responses

I guess where I am right now is if I become a Christian, I would be forced to drop some of my political beliefs. I consider myself a moderate, but I do have many liberal stances. I do not want to chance my stance on gay marriage, as I believe all people should have equal rights while married. I do not want to change my stance on if evolution or creationism should be taught in school. I don't want to change my stance of abortion.
You are indeed correct that these beliefs you harbor would have to change--they are contrary to the Gospel and the teachings of our Lord. However, you might want to consider whether condoning the murdering of unborn children, supporting and legitimizing sexual perversions, and venerating the idea that you are nothing more than an evolved animal is worth turning your back on a loving God and all the happiness, peace, and joy--here and in eternity--He offers you.

To me that is again a "no brainer."


A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
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Ok, thanks for your responses

I guess where I am right now is if I become a Christian, I would be forced to drop some of my political beliefs. I consider myself a moderate, but I do have many liberal stances. I do not want to chance my stance on gay marriage, as I believe all people should have equal rights while married. I do not want to change my stance on if evolution or creationism should be taught in school. I don't want to change my stance of abortion.

Hi, coming to Christ has nothing to do with politics or views on issues. We change throughout the years on many things as we walk with him and some things may change and some may not.

Never worry about someone outside of you telling you what you need to believe. That is what frustrates so many Christians. Many think others should be like they are and feel the way they do.

God didn't give us many different personalities and know of our experiences and feelings to make us all like each other. God does the work in us. We are highly individual, God knows that, He made us, and it's okay.

Christianity is a personal relationship with Christ, and your walk is between you and God.

God bless you precious one.

Send me a private message any time. I'd love to talk with you should you ever desire to.

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Hi, coming to Christ has nothing to do with politics or views on issues. We change throughout the years on many things as we walk with him and some things may change and some may not.

Never worry about someone outside of you telling you what you need to believe. That is what frustrates so many Christians. Many think others should be like they are and feel the way they do.

God didn't give us many different personalities and know of our experiences and feelings to make us all like each other. God does the work in us. We are highly individual, God knows that, He made us, and it's okay.

Christianity is a personal relationship with Christ, and your walk is between you and God.

God bless you precious one.

Send me a private message any time. I'd love to talk with you should you ever desire to.

love
tapero


I really hope that this isn't considered debating, but does't The Bible say not to support Homosexuality as it is a sin, and Christians are told to do all they can to stop the sin? Also doesn't The Bible say to cherish all life (abortion)?

This is why I ask about my political views.
 
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I really hope that this isn't considered debating, but does't The Bible say not to support Homosexuality as it is a sin, and Christians are told to do all they can to stop the sin? Also doesn't The Bible say to cherish all life (abortion)?

This is why I ask about my political views.

The bible says homosexuality is a sin. All sexual immorality is sin.

Here's one verse that speaks about life:

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

You've no need to worry about these topics, because when you believe in Christ, you are changed in an instant. The Holy Spirit indwells you, and the angels in heaven rejoice. God gives you a new heart, and you are a new creation in Christ. I don't know many Christians who have read the bible prior to coming to Christ, and it's a book that is a lifetime of learning, even though we've read things again and again.

There are many things that are sin. And there are some that say sin isn't sin.

But none of this matters as God doesn't fail. He will guide you into truth. He will show and reveal to you truths and as your heart recieves and hears change occurs on thinking on lots of things, many things.

As Christians we are commanded not to sin. We do though. We do so all the time.

Upon belief in Christ, our sins are forgiven, past, present and future.
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption (salvation) of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

Though we struggle with sin, God helps free us. Some things we let go easy, some not so easy, some may hang on a long time if always.

No - Christians are not told in the bible to stop others from sinning. We're not called to stop the world from sinning. This is not heaven on earth.

In the bible Christians teach Christians and encourage and teach each other not to sin. The thing we are told is to preach the gospel, which is that belief in Christ brings salvation.

Once someone comes to Christ, their walk with God starts that instant. They may feel immeditely moved as I was to turn away from what I had been doing, even though no one said a word to me about sin, nor had I read the bible.

It was how my walk was, it was God and me. It's how it should be. God does the work. And we go to others we trust as friends to help us in our walk. Others encourage us and answer questions.

So, no, you won't have to preach against homosexuality or against abortion. You don't have to preach or teach anything, God will help you every step of the way.

As many do, you spend time growing in God, by reading his word, going to a small bible study, or church. You need good boundaries and I believe you have them already and you don't let people cross your boundaries though they will try.

I have very strong boundaries. I only trust few, as in life, we generally have a few people we can trust with whatever is on our heart. Even then, sometimes we might tell a stranger on the phone rather than a friend. Though, since Christ, I've had 3 I can trust. That's plenty for me. There'd be more if I got out. hehe.

So, please don't worry about topics you feel strongly on.

I didn't know this till last year that some Christians don't believe Genesis is literal. I didn't know that. I take the bible literal, where I believe it's meant to be literal. So, you see, we are all different and it's okay.

One just comes to Christ and God does the work, and remember I said my first year it felt like I was in a washer. I think what was happening is that all I had learned was of the world, and when I came to Christ, I had to relearn much of what I knew. It came by reading the word and I went to church and listened to sermons.

The world says, watch out for number one (ourselves). Christ says, be a servant to all. We are still the most important person to take care of first as if we're not okay, we can't help another, but that number one mentality I had was so ingrained that I had little care for others. That was me, not all struggle that way. It's just an example, we're all different.

Sorry I went on so long here.

I wasn't going to say this but guess I will. When I first came to Christ abortion was a big issue. I was a Christian 3 years and never felt one way or the other about it. It didn't trouble me at all either.

So 3 years after coming to Christ, I went to a rally with a church for some reason, a rally about abortion, and for some reason, I don't know why, it was then I realized for me, abortion was wrong and I can not support it.

That doesn't mean it's wrong how you believe, as only you can make that decision.

I just want to show you that even tho was a very hot item and still is, no one in the church bugged me or harangued me; it was just something I pondered here and there, and had never been a worry to me, tho I'd even seen pro life movies; I had no need to make a decision in my mind; there was no need to, but whatever happened at that rally changed my heart, I don't recall what.

To this day, it remains my belief, and I don't believe another has asked me if I think it's wrong, and I've never gone to any rally's since that one; it's just a truth in my mind that I hold. If someone asks I will tell them what I believe.

So, it could've been 20 years before that realization hit is my point, if ever, so not
to worry.

ETA: the bible teaches us not to teach another to sin or encourage another in sin.. just noticed your question which means I would not encourage someone to do wrong.

take care,
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I really hope that this isn't considered debating, but does't The Bible say not to support Homosexuality as it is a sin,
What it says is rather less straightforward than that, but the topic is best avoided because it generates more heat than light around here.

and Christians are told to do all they can to stop the sin? Also doesn't The Bible say to cherish all life (abortion)?

This is why I ask about my political views.
IMO, the question is back to front. One doesn't become Christian because one's political views fit, but because one recognises the truth in Christ's call.

The one has to be prepared to allow the gospel to influence how one thinks - to transform you.

There are, in fact, a wide range of views held by Christians on every topic, including all those you named. On some, the view you 'fear' isn't even the majority view.
 
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I really think that I would probably be "saved" right now if my political opinion, which are contrast to what look like The Bible teaches, that I am not willing to change, not for anyone, not for anything.

Hi, I thought I explained it wouldn't need to change.

I'm sorry if I miscommunicated, but no, it doesn't need to change.

Im about off to bed but maybe if you write what you thought I said, as clearly I didn't say you would have to change your views on anything.

God doesn't make you change either.

Maybe that's what you are thinking. No, we read the word, and hear truths and some times we hear that truth and sometimes we don't. Verses we read all the time sometimes pop to life, and it's like gee, i've read that before, many times, why didn't I notice it, or what it says.

But God does nothing against your will brother, and no one else can either.

see ya tomorrow.
 
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I really think that I would probably be "saved" right now if my political opinion, which are contrast to what look like The Bible teaches, that I am not willing to change, not for anyone, not for anything.
MY FRIEND,

Salvation consists of a COMPLETE surrender to God's Will in ALL things. Your suggestion that you might be "saved" if it was on your own terms and not God's is not a possibility. Doing your own will and not God's can lead only to destruction. "There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death." (Proverbs 14:12)

i am glad that you are honest and open with your feelings and thoughts in this regard--that, at least bodes well for you.

May God have mercy upon you, heal your hardened heart, and bring you to a point where it is possible for you to be led into the light of His Kingdom through belief in, and adherence to, His Truth.


MAY YOU BE BLESSED,
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Dear AllworthThunder. You had good replies, and I too would want you to be saved, saved as God`s child, reconciled to God. You had many benefits explained to you, and they are all true. Unless you try to find out for yourself, you will never know how true.All we have to do is Repent, exchange our selfish and wilful nature into a selflessly loving and caring one. You will be filled with God`s Love and Joy, and you will find yourself to be a changed person, you will enjoy life as God meant you to enjoy it. Jesus`s promise to have life abundantly will become more real as people around you will notice the love and joy you give and share. You are free to choose, AllworthThunder. Jesus will help and guide you, but never force or coerce you. I say this humbly and with love, and send greetings. Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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I really think that I would probably be "saved" right now if my political opinion, which are contrast to what look like The Bible teaches, that I am not willing to change, not for anyone, not for anything.
The gospel is a (non-negotiable) political view - "Jesus Christ is Lord, and Caesar (or whatever else) is not".

To be Christian is to engage with that and wrestle with how works out in practice.

You many find that many of the views you currently hold that you think Christianity demands you change are not incompatible with that. Christianity is not about being told the answer to those questions, but wrestling with them at a deeper level.

However, unless you are willing to wrestle with that and have those (and many other) points of view challenged you aren't yet ready.
 
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And what benefit is it to me other than life after death in heaven?
Of course, there's nothing that thrills me more than someone joining me in the wonderful experience of getting to know their own Creator in an extremely personal way. And what's the benefit other than heaven? Do you really need one? Well, if you do, then the more physically relevant benefit would be fulfilling the plan that God put you on this Earth to accomplish, as well as being able to fulfill the plan that He has for you after your time on this world is done.
 
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I really think that I would probably be "saved" right now if my political opinion, which are contrast to what look like The Bible teaches, that I am not willing to change, not for anyone, not for anything.
You don't change, God's Spirit changes YOU, in ways you could never imagine. If you let Him into your life, that is. Don't let political views get in the way of your decision. And don't let what other people tell you about Christianity get in your way as well. If you want to experience God in a personal way, than study His word (the Bible), and seek God so He may fill you in on what it all means. The truth does not change, and it cannot be denied, no matter what silly things we humans, in our hubris, may decide in our own minds.
 
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You are mistaken if you think that Christ is saying you're supposed to die to get your reward. If you read the Bible carefully, it says Christ defeated death. That's what being "saved" means--you get resurrected from death by believing in Jesus. You get saved from what would otherwise be the consequences of your sins. If you die a believer in Christ, you'll be resurrected to live and reign with Him on Earth for a thousand years (that's the premillennialist belief), but if Christ comes back before you die, you won't ever die at all. Either way, the gospel is everlasting life for you! No need to fear *anything* any longer!

If you are a Christian, your political belief is that Jesus Christ is your King and Lord and that God's commandments are supreme. A true Christian's only political belief is that we should love each other, for that's what God commanded. Owe no man anything, except to love each other. The phoney Christians who are running the church in America would have you believe being a Christian is about voting a certain way (they've got their big paychecks from their state-incorporated churches, so they love the government more than they love Jesus), but a strict reading of the Bible would indicate that Christians aren't supposed to endorse secular politics at all, for secularism is of the antichrist.
 
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Ok, thanks for your responses

I guess where I am right now is if I become a Christian, I would be forced to drop some of my political beliefs. I consider myself a moderate, but I do have many liberal stances. I do not want to chance my stance on gay marriage, as I believe all people should have equal rights while married. I do not want to change my stance on if evolution or creationism should be taught in school. I don't want to change my stance of abortion.

Again, you are presupposing a lot. There is not one single political issue upon which all of Christianity is united in thought, desire and belief. There are many shades of variation about every issue, and many prayerful, but opposing points of view.

Some Christians believe in gay marriage, some do not. Some Christians believe the world was made in 6 days, some do not. Some believe in legal abortion, some prefer a total ban. None of these can be used to define who is, and who is not, a Christian.

Christianity is not a political faith, nor is it represented by one single party or set of beliefs within the political system of any country that I am aware of.

If your views do not accord with those of the people in the church you are considering joining, then find another church where the prevailing views are more in accordance with your own.

As I said before, the important thing is to be true to who you are, and to find a faith which reflects that, rather than trying to bend yourself to fit a faith which makes you less than you are.

Only when the two fit together will you feel at home.
 
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I really think that I would probably be "saved" right now if my political opinion, which are contrast to what look like The Bible teaches, that I am not willing to change, not for anyone, not for anything.
Hi,

To give you a bit of background on me first..I only picked up a Bible about 2 years ago, and still haven't read the whole thing. I've been considering myself a Christian for about the same amount of time.

I also come from the same position as you. :) Although, I think abortion I probably feel is something I dont promote, but should be allowed under certain circumstances (impending death and such).

When I first picked up the Bible I was worried about the same things. I'd read something that told me how I should feel about things like homosexuality, etc., and completely freak out. Refused to see it that way.

You know what I realized though? These things don't matter to a new Christian. I focused more on the main truths (specifically the Gospels, Jesus' words)..and slowly realized that I wanted to have a relationship with Him. I let the other things go.

Now, by letting it go I'm not saying I changed my views. I'm saying I stopped letting it matter in my relationship.

Just get to know Him, and those things will fall in place. There are a few things that I once competely denied, that I found slowly over time He changed in me..to the point that I did not even do it intentionally. I never sat down one day and said "You know, I'm going to stop agreeing with ____". It just became me.

There are still things that I haven't changed on, too..but have found ways that actually allow me to incorperate it into my beliefs.

Point being, please don't focus on these things. I know people might try to pressure you into it in a church or something, but don't let them. Only be concerned about your own relationship with God.

Also, try not to say "Never". Even without religion people change as they grow. :) Never is a negative that limits. Try saying to yourself "You know, I agree with these things now, and that's what matters." Let the future unfold as it comes.

Check around at different churches, too. Some have different views on certain things. Some are pro gay marriage, some are okay with abortion under certain circumstances (like mine).

Just spend some time with your Bible away from a congregation untill you are a bit more closer to Him, if it helps. :)

If you need to talk about it, PM me. I think we can relate in many ways.

Blessings and Love,
Sarah
 
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Man, I hate it when people don't make it easy to just quote them.;)

Anyway, to your Question, do I really want you to get "saved"?

Well, I guess a simple answer might be best here, but it's going to sound so hollow also. In the End, I would have to say, "No" because I don't "really want" that, what I would "like" is for you to find happiness and contentment in Christ, but, I don't "Really want it" if you grasp what I am saying.

You see, in the end, it's your choice, and like anyone's choices I may very well not like them, I might think they are stupid, based on ignorance, or just short sighted. However, that does not mean that I don't accept that is their choice, and they have every right to make it of their own accord, but at the same time nor do I feel pity or remorse for anyone when they reap the outcome or suffer for their choices.

Never more so is my pity missing, then when a person have been warned, and many attempts have been made to try and prevent them from doing something that may seen not positive for them. Like for example, when your friends say "Dude, I wouldn't do that if I was you" and then you go and do it and hurt yourself (Like jumping off a ledge on roller blades, without knowing what was on the other side, then landed on the asphalt 10 feet down, and broke your ankle and wrist, which got followed up by getting hit by a car), they were trying to warn you, and you did not listen, did they really want you not do it? Maybe.

But in reality that desire stemmed not because they did not want you to do that (It might have even seemed like a fun and great idea to them on some level), it was because they did not want you to suffer the consequence for doing it (IE: The broken ankle, Wrist and two days in the Hospital for getting hit by the car). If you grasp what I am saying.

So to me, sure, I would like for you not to go off and burn in hell (Or what ever) for all eternity, but, I don't "really want you to get saved" I would like for you to not end up in Hell. Just like, I don't "Really want you to Live a good clean life" but, I would like it for anyone to not suffer the affects of STD's, Drug Addiction, abuses, Etc.

So, if you want to get saved, or not, it really has no true affect on me, one way or the other, I can not even influence your decision beyond just bland limited words that I can type on a message board. And we all know just how awesome and influence that can be (Given the Rise on Video links, it seems, not much).

So it's your choice, I may like it, I may hate it, but, that does not change the fact that you are the one(and you alone) that has to make it.

And what benefit is it to me other than life after death in heaven?

Great Question, sadly, there is only one way to find out, and it's not going to be by asking other people what they got.

It's like getting a gift at Christmas time, you don't really know what you will get, until you accept the gift and open it.

Hope this Helped.

God Bless

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Ok, thanks for your responses

I guess where I am right now is if I become a Christian, I would be forced to drop some of my political beliefs. I consider myself a moderate, but I do have many liberal stances. I do not want to chance my stance on gay marriage, as I believe all people should have equal rights while married. I do not want to change my stance on if evolution or creationism should be taught in school. I don't want to change my stance of abortion.

You know, I read the Bible, and, you know, I do not ever recall Jesus saying "Enforce your beliefs into Law on others" I don't recall him either saying that "You must rip down the brothels" or anything like that. I mean as a matter of issue, Jesus was pretty much not involved in politics.

Now, here is the trick, see, people are stupid. We are, lets just admit it and get over ourselves, I mean, it's amazing how stupid we really are sometimes. And Christians, well, are Humans, which makes them Stupid too.

One of the issues that never ceased to amaze me, was the need to write the "bible" into Local Law. Now, I'll bite, the Bible has some "Good Stuff" for Law making, but, making the Word of God into Local Law is Moronic, at every level, when you think about it.

So, here is my view, Let the Homosexuals Get Married, let people have abortions, let people do pretty much what they want allow the laws to not press into peoples bedrooms, and into their own bodies, I mean who is with me that making "Suicide" illegal is probity the dumbest law on the Book, what are you going to do if they succeed, Kill them?

I'll Follow Jesus, no matter what the Local Law says, then We will see who got the better deal.


That's my take.

God Bless

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I mean who is with me that making "Suicide" illegal is probity the dumbest law on the Book, what are you going to do if they succeed, Kill them?

In the UK in the not too recent past, a failed suicide who was found guilty, would be hanged. As you say, there is absolutely no sense in this whatever.

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