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Do you get Drunk in the Spirit?

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Nothing condemns going to a nightclub.


You dont have to drink in order to attend. So does that mean its ok?
Specifically a nightclub, I avoid not only because alchohol flows freely their, but also because of the music, and that associating with people who are drunk would be unwise in that it would open me up unnecessarily to sin. Something being drunk in the spirit in chruch does not do.
IOWLBNIF said:
stop justifying your sins by what the bible doesnt say.
nothing in the bible says getting drunk in the spirit is a sin. it probably would be a sin to you because you believe it is, but I don't believe it is a sin, and it doesn't result in me doing any sin. I've gotten drunk in the spirit , for around 25 or 30 years. Never has it resulted in me comitting a sin.
IOWLBNIF said:
If i go to a club and watch people grind on each other, what atmosphere am i in? Am in one approved by God or not approved?


Should i not go to Chilis because they serve alcohol?

Serving alcohol doesnt make something unbiblical
I go to restaurants that serve beer, wine, etc.I see that as different than going to a night club. I don't associate with other patrons and dance with them and grind my body with theirs, which is what is done in night clubs. so there is the difference.
IOWLBNIF said:
the atmosphere is what makes something unbiblical, without the bible having to spell it out for you
And it is the atmosphere of nightclubs, the atmosphere i have deliniated in part, that causes me to totally avoid night clubs.
 
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No i dont
You don't what? That answer doesn't even relate to the question. :confused:
My question was; 1. Did you say a 'sinner's prayer' to get saved?

this is what i mean:
Video links
Are you saying these videos define your definition? Let me slightly reword my question.

2. I'm curious, what exactly is 'the definition' of "drunk in the Spirit"...according to YOU?

What is the definition of some of you others here? Has anyone here had an experience of some kind, and could you share it?
 
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You don't what? That answer doesn't even relate to the question. :confused:
My question was; 1. Did you say a 'sinner's prayer' to get saved?

Are you saying these videos define your definition? Let me slightly reword my question.

2. I'm curious, what exactly is 'the definition' of "drunk in the Spirit"...according to YOU?

What is the definition of some of you others here? Has anyone here had an experience of some kind, and could you share it?



ok, No i didnt


That is my definition, what the videos show.


being drunk and filled is not the same thing.

If you want to say filled say filled



dont yoke together something unholy (drunkenness) to something that is holy


what so hard to understand?


i dont really care, what you believe the bible to say. I believe what the bible actually says.

and you comparing something holy to drunkenness is totally unfounded, no scripture supports.

The only scripture that you think supports it, is based on your twisted understanding in order to continue to be "drunk".

(this whole post wasnt directed to you hillsage)
 
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Heres a few verses


Ephes 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Here also...

Jerm 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that (((they may rejoice))) and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD.

Whereas it says,...

1Thes 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

1Thes 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Heres not drunken with wine, but the Lord pouring out a spirit of deep sleep

Isaiah 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Whereas again here...

Jerm 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that (((they may rejoice))) and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD.
 
 Just some places you can look that speak of the same things
 
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i never said if you got "drunk" in the spirit that would commit a sin, now did i?
You said it was sinful, I offered my experience that getting drunk in the spirit never resulted in me committing a sin, such as often happens to those who get drunk with wine. If getting drunk in the spirit was a sin, it should lead to more sin, just as any sin does.
but it doesn't.
IOWLBNIF said:
i said your putting something that is unholy, with something that is holy


that is wrong, in any instance
Actually you said more than that you said.

IOWLBNIF said:
like a "sloppyy drunk"..............stop mixing something that is unholy and sinful

and in reply to my assertion that drunk in the spirit is ok as long as the bible doesn't condemn it you ssaid this

IOWLBNIF said:
stop justifying your sins by what the bible doesnt say.
 
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Heres a few verses


Ephes 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Here also...

Jerm 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that (((they may rejoice))) and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD.

Whereas it says,...

1Thes 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

1Thes 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Heres not drunken with wine, but the Lord pouring out a spirit of deep sleep

Isaiah 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Whereas again here...

Jerm 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that (((they may rejoice))) and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD.
 
 Just some places you can look that speak of the same things



you have taken Jermiah out of context to suit your agenda. Lets see what it really says.


Babylon will be a heap of ruins,
a haunt of jackals,
an object of horror and scorn,
a place where no one lives.
38 Her people all roar like young lions,
they growl like lion cubs.
39 But while they are aroused,
I will set out a feast for them
and make them drunk,
so that they shout with laughter—
then sleep forever and not awake,”
declares the Lord.
40 “I will bring them down
like lambs to the slaughter,
like rams and goats.

^that has nothing to do with being "drunk in the spirit of God"


you take 1 Thess 5 out of context. Lets see what it says



But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.


^that has nothing to do with this topic




Isaiah 29 is out of context. Lets see what the chapter says


Be stunned and amazed,
blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine,
stagger, but not from beer.
10 The Lord has brought over you a deep sleep:
He has sealed your eyes (the prophets);
he has covered your heads (the seers).

These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
14 Therefore once more I will astound these people
with wonder upon wonder;

^not about the topic





the only leg you have is Ephesians 5.


It isnt saying "instead of being drunk with wine, be drunk with the Spirit"


It is saying "instead of being concerened with drinking wine, be,instead, concerned with things of the Spirit"

To be "filled up with wine" would mean you have committed the sin of drunkenness.

So it says instead be filled with the HS. That doesnt mean be drunk, or act drunk, or think your drunk.

Be concerend about Heavenly things, not earthly things. For if your concerned about heavenly things, earthy things will be given to you.

This is why it is written:


‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
 
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You said it was sinful, I offered my experience that getting drunk in the spirit never resulted in me committing a sin, such as often happens to those who get drunk with wine. If getting drunk in the spirit was a sin, it should lead to more sin, just as any sin does.
but it doesn't.

Actually you said more than that you said.



and in reply to my assertion that drunk in the spirit is ok as long as the bible doesn't condemn it you ssaid this



i said, comparing something that is holy with something unholy, is sinful.


the bible doesnt say that i shouldnt touch. So does that mean i can?


you never answered that in my other posts.......oops
 
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i said, comparing something that is holy with something unholy, is sinful.
so now you're saying drunk in the spirit si not a sin, previously you said it was, If it isn't a sin then what's your objection? you have not reasonable objection if being drunk in the spirit isn't a sin, except that you don't like it. which is really what's g oing on.
IOWLBNIF said:
the bible doesnt say that i shouldnt touch. So does that mean i can?
I dunno. undecided as to whether it is sin or not. I know most single guys have to or they are gonna go nuts. so I'm not sure.
IOWLBNF said:
you never answered that in my other posts.......oops
You never asked about masturbation before. Drunk in the spirit is holy. drunk with wine is unholy. if I have drunk communion grape juice, that is holy, if I have drunk wine that is unholy. the word drunken isn't an unholy word, depends on how it is used.
 
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If the bible doesnt condemn something then its ok?


So i can touch? Im not being sexual immoral with sleeping with someone else. so i must be ok right?

im relieving some "stress", so it must be ok, right?

I dunno. undecided as to whether it is sin or not. I know most single guys have to or they are gonna go nuts. so I'm not sure.
You never asked about masturbation before.



yes i did.



so you testify, that you dont read my whole post?




Let me ask you, would you mind if someone came and sat next you on a bus and started masturbating in front of you?



the word in of itself isnt unholy...........but when you couple an unholy act (drunkeness) with something holy, then yes, it is sinful


dont play games with your Soul, and thats what your doing with your wordplay
 
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ok, No i didnt
So, since a 'sinner's prayer' isn't biblical, as far as I know anyway, does that also make it wrong, like people doing things that look like drunkenness (videos)? And by 'drunkenness' I also mean like on the day of Pentecost when the Jews who accused the disciples of being "drunk". And the "drunk" they were concerned with, was the one Peter said wasn't because of wine...even though it apparently looked like it to the Jews. I am just trying to understand what your 'bottom line' concern is here. :confused:

That is my definition, what the videos show.
So what was really 'wrong' with what happened on those videos, as far as you're concerned?

i dont really care, what you believe the bible to say. I believe what the bible actually says.
and you comparing something holy to drunkenness is totally unfounded, no scripture supports.

The only scripture that you think supports it, is based on your twisted understanding in order to continue to be "drunk".
You said; "Isaiah 29 is out of context"

Be stunned and amazed,
blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine,


Explain to me how you expect some one to 'look', who fulfilled being "drunk" in this verse?

(this whole post wasnt directed to you hillsage)
:bow: Thank God, you had me going for a bit.
 
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yes i did.
where?
IOWLBNIF said:
so you testify, that you dont read my whole post?
far as I know i've read everything you've wrote to me, and more.
IOWLBNIF said:
Let me ask you, would you mind if someone came and sat next you on a bus and started masturbating in front of you?
so because someone can touch on a bus, which is wrong ,that proves masturbation is wrong? so like since some married couples have fondled each other on a bus that proves a husband and wife are sinning if they fondle each other? I see your illogic here.
IOWLBNIF said:
the word in of itself isnt unholy...........but when you couple an unholy act (drunkeness) with something holy, then yes, it is sinful
as i stated, previously, drunk with wine is unholy, drunk in the spirit is holy. anything done in the spirit is holy.
the bible says God is jealous for us. jealousy is unholy and a sin , but not if the Lord does it. not if it isn't taken to excess.

anger is a sin and unholy, but not righteous anger.

hatred is a sin, but we are told to hate our mother , Father, brother and even our own self.
one verse says God loves all men, another says God hates some sinners, like Esau. hatred is unholy but not if god does it. drunkenness with wine is a sin, but drunkenness in the spirit of God is not a sin. that isn't playing word games, that is understanding what words mean.
IOWLBNIF said:
dont play games with your Soul, and thats what your doing with your wordplay
being drunk in the spirit isn't unholy, it's holy cause the spirit of God is holy. that's not playing word games with my soul.
 
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So, since a 'sinner's prayer' isn't biblical, as far as I know anyway, does that also make it wrong, like people doing things that look like drunkenness (videos)? And by 'drunkenness' I also mean like on the day of Pentecost when the Jews who accused the disciples of being "drunk". And the "drunk" they were concerned with, was the one Peter said wasn't because of wine...even though it apparently looked like it to the Jews. I am just trying to understand what your 'bottom line' concern is here. :confused:

So what was really 'wrong' with what happened on those videos, as far as you're concerned?

You said; "Isaiah 29 is out of context"

Be stunned and amazed,
blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine,


Explain to me how you expect some one to 'look', who fulfilled being "drunk" in this verse?

:bow: Thank God, you had me going for a bit.


because the sinners prayer doesnt yoke together an unholy act (drunkenness), with something that is holy. That is why. The sinners prayer doesnt equate to being filled with the Spirit as commiting of sin of drunkenness and neither does eph 5.

I explained it in my other post.

I also explained the whole day of Pentecost in my other post? did you not read it?

What is wrong in those videos? Kenneth hagin, is creating disorder, and those people who are hooting and hollering and running around like idiots are contributing. There is an order about God. if God has an order about when someone should speak in the Chruch, then better beleive that he has an order about how you should worship.

The second video, is connected to what other relgions do to a "T". Rolling around on the floor acting like that, is a sign of possession.

Now answer me, if an unbeliever came to church and saw that going on, would it make him want to stay or would he say "these people are idiots and looked possessed, im outta here, screw Christianity"............Now what kind of judgement would be brought on those people, namely the leader, if they contributed to the death of a soul?

Also why do you think people have to stagger around and look like idiots to be drunk? I know plenty of people (myself when i used to get drunk) that are nice and quiet and perceive things a certain way, depending on the circumstance.

isaiah 29 is taken out of context becasue look at what it says a littler further down

“These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me. (so here we see in the chapter he is bringing judgement on these people)
Their worship of me
is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
14 Therefore once more I will astound these people
with wonder upon wonder;


That is what will make them "drunk", not "an anointing of the HS"


lol @ your last part.

where?
far as I know i've read everything you've wrote to me, and more.
so because someone can touch on a bus, which is wrong ,that proves masturbation is wrong? so like since some married couples have fondled each other on a bus that proves a husband and wife are sinning if they fondle each other? I see your illogic here.
as i stated, previously, drunk with wine is unholy, drunk in the spirit is holy. anything done in the spirit is holy.
the bible says God is jealous for us. jealousy is unholy and a sin , but not if the Lord does it. not if it isn't taken to excess.

anger is a sin and unholy, but not righteous anger.

hatred is a sin, but we are told to hate our mother , Father, brother and even our own self.
one verse says God loves all men, another says God hates some sinners, like Esau. hatred is unholy but not if god does it. drunkenness with wine is a sin, but drunkenness in the spirit of God is not a sin. that isn't playing word games, that is understanding what words mean.
being drunk in the spirit isn't unholy, it's holy cause the spirit of God is holy. that's not playing word games with my soul.
you argue that masturbation on a bus proves masturbation is wrong and accuse me of word games. far out.



i asked, in the beginning of this topic, if its ok to masuterbate. And you didnt answer.

i quoted what i said in my last few posts.


again yoking together a unholy act with something holy is a sin, stop trying to justify what you do.

your understanding about hating and loving all men, is wrong. do you want me to show you friend?


I asked a simple yes or no question, and you run off on what you think i was saying.


So i will ask it again, it requires a yes or no friend


If someone came on a bus and pulled out his penis, and started masturbating in front of you. would you like that?
 
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Why or Why Not?
Is it biblical? Why or Why Not?

What do you mean drunk?
It does make you incomparably happy though if you are referring to the fountain that is the Spirit.

Feels like your whole chest is removed when you first get it.
Like you don't quite know how heavy a burden you are carrying till you have it taken off you.
And I remember telling everyone for a long time there was something in my heart when I was first born again.
I would also look at my chest a lot and just be happy and amazed.

But drunk???
It can get rather strong if you are severely spiritual... i remember not sinning with thought or action for months when i first got him. (though to be honest, i would do gods work when i woke till when i slept)
It starts slightly above the stomach and fans out into your chest, the feeling.

it can also turn into a fire if you are disobedient, which, then will make your life hell.
I always likened that to making the spirit grieve.
Which is why I cant stand even thinking bad, its unbearable.
 
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i asked, in the beginning of this topic, if its ok to masuterbate. And you didnt answer.
No you didn't.
IOWLBNIF said:
i quoted what i said in my last few posts.
And I quoted the parts you left out where you accused me of sinning by getting drunk in the spirit. here it is again for the 3rd time for you to ignore your accusation that I am commiting sin.

IOW said:
like a "sloppyy drunk"..............stop mixing something that is unholy and sinful
There you called sloppy drunk a sin .
you just refuse to face what you've said.

IOW said:
stop justifying your sins by what the bible doesnt say.
here you accuse me of sinning by getting drunk in the spirit. Or what sins of mine were you refering to? or does what you say have nothing to do with anything?
apparently.



IOWLBNIF said:
again yoking together a unholy act with something holy is a sin, stop trying to justify what you do.
stop ignoring my proofs that your argument is wrong.
IOWLBNIF said:
your understanding about hating and loving all men, is wrong. do you want me to show you friend?
go ahead.
IOWLBNIF said:
I asked a simple yes or no question, and you run off on what you think i was saying.


So i will ask it again, it requires a yes or no friend


If someone came on a bus and pulled out his penis, and started masturbating in front of you. would you like that?
Since your masturbation argument has nothing to do with anything according to you.
i'm not going to respond to what you know is the obvious answer.
 
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No you didn't.
And I quoted the parts you left out where you accused me of sinning by getting drunk in the spirit. here it is again for the 3rd time for you to ignore your accusation that I am commiting sin.

There you called sloppy drunk a sin .
you just refuse to face what you've said.

here you accuse me of sinning by getting drunk in the spirit. Or what sins of mine were you refering to? or does what you say have nothing to do with anything?
apparently.





stop ignoring my proofs that your argument is wrong.
go ahead.
Since your masturbation argument has nothing to do with anything according to you.
i'm not going to respond to what you know is the obvious answer.




are you making up stuff as you go?



my masturbation has everything to do with this convo, and if you answer the question i will show you. And i never said it had nothing to do with it....again making stuff up



i did ask, go back and read all my posts, geez

you take what i said out of context.


let me make it clear for you.......

first you said: Sometimes it's like being sloppy drunk,


my response was: like a "sloppyy drunk"..............stop mixing something that is unholy and sinful, to something that is HOly and without sin.


stop taking things out of context



to compare being filled with the Spirit to being " a sloppy drunk" as you put it, is wrong for the reasons i have stated.


my argument is not wrong. you just dont want to address on why yoking together a sin with something that is sinless, is incorrect. you would rather continue down your path.



again answer the yes or no question.


would you like if someone did that.
 
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are you making up stuff as you go?



my masturbation has everything to do with this convo, and if you answer the question i will show you. And i never said it had nothing to do with it....again making stuff up



i did ask, go back and read all my posts, geez

you take what i said out of context.


let me make it clear for you.......

first you said: Sometimes it's like being sloppy drunk,


my response was: like a "sloppyy drunk"..............stop mixing something that is unholy and sinful, to something that is HOly and without sin.


stop taking things out of context



to compare being filled with the Spirit to being " a sloppy drunk" as you put it, is wrong for the reasons i have stated.


my argument is not wrong. you just dont want to address on why yoking together a sin with something that is sinless, is incorrect. you would rather continue down your path.



again answer the yes or no question.


would you like if someone did that.
I already answered your question. you didn't respond to my answer. here it is again.

2dl#30 said:
I dunno. undecided as to whether it is sin or not. I know most single guys have to or they are gonna go nuts. so I'm not sure.
you asked me if masturbation was OK, I said I don't know, and I don't know. I don't want to go any further with it because you are getting to crude with it.


here's a youtube vid more in line with my idea and my experience with drunk in the spirit.

Happy HolyGhost People speak in tongues, dance in the Spirit and praise the Lord - YouTube


what I refered to as sloppy drunk is what the girl in jeans does while dancing where the people catch her to prevent her from falling to the ground. You object to the term, I see why you do, I don't agree for the reasons I give, but the main point is the action, not so much what one calls it.
 
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