do you feel bad when you sin?

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Jamdoc: "Because from 1 John 3"


Yes, 1 John 3...


the message is to be purified as Christ is pure, this is the message from the beginning, your talk is not, so clean it up ( or continue exposing yourself) or you will be seen whatever you try to say.

You mentioned 1 John 3, but your idea of Godly conversation contains nothing of these verses for the right way..


1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

 

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Jamdoc: "so we wage war against sin.
But sometimes, we fail.

But John tells us in his first epistle
1 John 1:8-10"






nah, it is light as the Lord is light, which is without darkness, your failing is not light..


1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.



Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

 

[ripple the car]

hello all. simple question tonite. when i sin, its only certain sins that i feel bad about, while my habitual sins dont cause me any bad feelings. is this a sign that i dont have the Holy Spirit? do yall feel bad every time you sin?

Yes, generally, but not always. I think becoming numb / hardened to habitual sin is normal. It’s dangerous, but it’s normal. This is why, imho, it’s a terrible idea to gage how sinful something is based on how we *feel* about it. I might feel that swearing or telling off-color jokes is no big deal. I know that technically, sure, I shouldn’t be, but I don’t feel any guilt or shame when I do. But what I have to do now is force myself to think rather than feel a certain way about sin; I no longer feel guilt when I swear or tell vaguely adult jokes, so I’ve got to think my way through avoiding these things. Sometimes that’s better than letting feelings dictate what we do. Way better.

 

[Jamdoc]

Lot is described by God as a righteous man, and by Jamdocs words, is backslidden like crazy, opposing God does not make you right, either use Gods word or be quiet when Gods word is exampled.

Lot was not righteous by any of his own works, and the example of offering his daughters to be raped by a mob, kind of shows that if it were based on his own deeds? Lot was a goner.
But Lot was saved by grace, Lot still had faith, still recognized the angels for what they were and who they represented.
Faith was counted for righteousness, as with Abraham.

 

[Jamdoc]

Jamdoc: "so we wage war against sin.
But sometimes, we fail.

But John tells us in his first epistle
1 John 1:8-10"






nah, it is light as the Lord is light, which is without darkness, your failing is not light..


1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.



Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

Sounds like you're preaching sinless perfection, that boils down to self righteousness.

 

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Jamdoc: "Lot was not righteous by any of his own works, and the example of offering his daughters to be raped by a mob, kind of shows that if it were based on his own deeds? Lot was a goner.


But Lot was saved by grace, Lot still had faith, still recognized the angels for what they were and who they represented.


Faith was counted for righteousness, as with Abraham."




First to answer back against Jamdoc, is the unjust know no shame...



Zephaniah 3:5 The just Lord is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame.



Now we begin in Jude, to remember what the Lord taught us about Sodom.

How the lust sinning of Sodom is set forth for an example, and then these filthy dreamers who consider Christ is their Lord, also defile the flesh and speak EVIL OF DIGNITIES.

These filthy dreamers are sots, in your feasts of charity.

As they feed themselves ( not fed by the Lords charity/bond of perfectness/Christs Holy Spirit in us) as they feast with you,, feeding without fear and are foaming out their own shame ( the unjust knows no shame and speak evil of the Lords dignities is predicted and fulfilled in them right now)...



Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.



Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.




Again, the Lords other exasmple for us of Sodom.

The Lord made Sodom an ensample, unto those that after live ungodly.

But Lot is not an ungodly example. Lot, was unhappy with the filthy conversation of the wicked ( as the wicked now talk about the same, their idea of talk of Christ,is to talk of their sin)

But, Lot has a righteous soul, and their unrighteous, unlawful deeds vexed Lot';s righteous soul, as Lot did lawful, righteous deeds. ( or it would be nonsense if Lot was disturbed by the wicked, if Lot also did wickedly, like them)

But God delivers the godly ( Lot) out of temptations, as God it testifies, delivered just Lot.

The others, are the unjust ( the unjust who know no shame and foam out their own shame, defiled filthy dreamers, and speaking evil of Lot, the Lords dignities as predicted and fulfilled in them doing it here, right now)

They walk in the flesh, to the lust of uncleanness, they despise the government ( of Christ as the government is upon His shoulders) they are presumptuous ( seen in how they falsely presume Lot did wrong) as they are self willed ( not with the Spirit and will of God)..


2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.


Psalm 94:20 Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?
21 They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
22 But the Lord is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
23 And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the Lord our God shall cut them off.


Proverbs 10:2 Treasures of wickedness profit nothing: but righteousness delivereth from death.
3 The Lord will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the substance of the wicked.
4 He becometh poor that dealeth with a slack hand: but the hand of the diligent maketh rich.
5 He that gathereth in summer is a wise son: but he that sleepeth in harvest is a son that causeth shame.
6 Blessings are upon the head of the just: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.






Unfortunately for the men of belial, I know the scriptures, and the power of God.

Another example that is similar, is in Judges, how the wicked this time, in a tribe of Israel, tried to attack a man that is following God ( just as Lot was) and this occasion, an old man ( more faithful than the men of belial) tried to protect this man ( of God) by offering his daughter and the mans concubine.

This time, the wicked men took them and abused them, until the concubine died.


Judges 19:22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.



The man ( of God) took the concubine ( the wicked men of beial of a tribe of Israel) and divided her, into twelve pieces, one to each tribe of Israel. No such deed was ever done, nor seen, from the time God saved the people out of Israel.



Judges 19:29 And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
30 And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.



The Levite ( of God), revealed how the men had wrought folly in Israel, and lewdness, by murdering his concubine and by wanting to kill this man ( of God) also..


Judges 20:4 And the Levite, the husband of the woman that was slain, answered and said, I came into Gibeah that belongeth to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to lodge.
5 And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead.
6 And I took my concubine, and cut her in pieces, and sent her throughout all the country of the inheritance of Israel: for they have committed lewdness and folly in Israel.




Phinehas ( who famously stopped the plague when Israel were condemned in the forbidden thing) inquired of the Lord, if they should destroy the men of beliel of a tribe of Israel, the Lord said He will deliver them into their hands..


Judges 20:28 And Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, stood before it in those days,) saying, Shall I yet again go out to battle against the children of Benjamin my brother, or shall I cease? And the Lord said, Go up; for to morrow I will deliver them into thine hand.




Israel destroyed them, in every city, and set on fire all the cities (of Benjamin) that they came to..


Judges 20:48 And the men of Israel turned again upon the children of Benjamin, and smote them with the edge of the sword, as well the men of every city, as the beast, and all that came to hand: also they set on fire all the cities that they came to.



Lot( who we know is a righteous man by doing righteously, not ungodly deeds) tried to protect the Lord, and did as was witnessed in the time of the Judges ( of Israel of the Holy Lord God) by trying to appease the wicked men of the city.

The angels showed approval for Lot, ( not disapproval for those actions to protect them) by protecting Lot, by casting the wicked men into blindness ( then destruction on all their cities by fire and brimstone) as done on the cities of Benjamin that offended the Lord in Israel ( in the exact same way)..



Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

 

[Jeshu]

I disagree. You do not find.....you are Found..... You do not leave sin.....Sin leaves you.... All by no works of your own.....lest any man should boast.

Absolutely i was found by Jesus, but i still had to follow Him and leave my sinful life in favour of Him. This is what the OP is not doing. While believers using your kind of thinking can blame Jesus for remaining in their sins for only Jesus can save them from it and they don't have to follow Him.

So your perspective is very untrue, as if we have nothing to do with our salvation, i know that much sin does not leave when Jesus comes in our lives, only when don't want sin any more, when you follow the redeemer, then you will be freed from your sin, but if you stay in your sin then you will perish there in.

Like Paul says
"For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."

So yes we must leave sin like Jesus warns us we must do.
“No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

so how do you know if you are born of God??

Do you believe on Jesus Christ? Do you only believe in him as your ticket to heaven and not your own works?

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." - Jesus, John 6:47

 

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Jehu: "Like Paul says
"For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."

So yes we must leave sin like Jesus warns us we must do.
“No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”"


The Spirit is the gift of Jesus Christ upon whom He chooses, by giving the Spirit of life, which takes the filthy conscience out of them, by ,making the everlasting covenant, of now, God writing the law in their new heart given, and the mind f Christ given. Man did nothing, and the woman had to believe in Jesus rising from the dead, or nobody can go and sin no more ( that is why they turn the truth of God into a lie of sin)