Do you believe that the saved will not be judged?

[Goodhuman]

So?

 

[Victor in Christ]

Saved willed be judged first when Christ comes, 1st the Jew and then the Gentile according to their obedience to Christ, then the sinner who didn't accept.

Hebrews 4:13, Romans 14:12, 2 Corinthians 5:10,

 

[Palmfever]

When the book is opened, the names within will be accessed as to their deeds. Not to determine salvation. Judgment, not condemnation.

Romans, 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

Since the dead IN CHRIST rise at His coming, clearly judgment is not to determine salvation.

In Thess, 1:4 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Yet Christ states in, Mat, 12:36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Therefore the admonition, Colossians, 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

James states, no man can tame the tongue. James, 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

John reminds us we have an advocate. Our faith is not in ourselves, but in the work of God through Christ.

1 John, 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
John, 5:24 "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

 

[ozso]

We will have to give an accounting. Like a performance review. And be rewarded accordingly. It sounds scary, but it's probably going to be a positive experience.

 

[ArmyMatt]

yes, all will be judged.

 

[All4Christ]

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. Before Him will be gathered all the nations, and He will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and He will place the sheep at His right hand, but the goats at the left.

Then the King will say to those at His right hand, “Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.”

Then the righteous will answer Him, “Lord, when did we see Thee hungry and feed Thee, or thirsty and give Thee drink? And when did we see Thee a stranger and welcome Thee, or naked and clothe Thee? And when did we see Thee sick or in prison and visit Thee?”

And the King will answer them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.”

Then He will say to those at His left hand, “Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave Me no food. I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome Me, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.”

Then they also will answer, “Lord, when did we see Thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to Thee?”

Then He will answer them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to Me.”

And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life (Mt 25: 31–46).

Absolutely yes, all will be judged

 

[Victor in Christ]

We can be outwardly religious like the Pharasses and scribes of Christ's day, but never truly regenerated within by God's Spirit. Our natural/sinful heart of stone needs to be melted and made soft by the holy spirit and then moulded to be more Christlike. Our outward appearance means nothing to Christ, he's the only one who can search deep into the heart.

When Christ comes back to judge, he'll come descending from above with the heavens and earth on fire to destroy the chaff, divide the goats from the sheep, the wolves, etc. What a dreadful day for the sinner to be damned in an eternal fire like Venus is described below.........but a Glorious day for the Saint who has been transformed with the brightness of his coming. Endless Hallelujah's....Amen Amen Amen....sing the song of Moses.

 

[Lukaris]

Daniel 12:1-4, John 5:22-30, Matthew 25 etc.

 

[Victor in Christ]

Zechariah 1:7-17

Is there an eschatological vision here, a future day/period of apocalypse? The myrtle trees (true Israel/Christians) in the bottom/ravine/valley below the mount of Olives?

Crossgar Free Presbyterian Church | SermonAudio

 

[Magnanimity]

Do you believe that the saved will not be judged? So?

It would seem that we have abundant evidence from creation itself (to include ourselves, of course) that God is all about the unfolding, developing, process and change of his created order. Our lives are spread over time. We develop, we grow in understanding, we grow in virtue, we grow, period. That's what the creation does. And God is ever-communing with us, ever reaching into our depths, whether or not we are open to it (i.e., the prick of conscience and even consciousness itself in all its mystery).

It has always seemed very odd to me that in a universe of continual unfolding, developing, changing and process that we have latched on to ideas of "magic moments." For example, we believe in magic moments of assent. Like, when we initially came to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is God. We believe that natural death itself is a magic moment. But, there is something incommensurate with this theology of magic moments and the reality of continual development and unfolding that we observe within ourselves and the broader cosmos around us.

So, part of me wonders whether we might phrase such questions like this: do you believe that those who are being saved, will continue to be judged? Obviously, salvation and judgment begin in the here (in our minds, hearts, activities and consciences), but it is unclear how salvation and judgment extend into the hereafter. We have a theology of magic moments intertwined with our eschatology. But, I can't help but be suspicious of temporal hard-stops in a cosmos of continual development. The incongruity here seems difficult to reconcile.

 

[Goodhuman]

It seems to me that the saints will not be judged.

 

[Victor in Christ]

It seems to me that the saints will not be judged.

1 peter 4:17 First the believing Jew, then the Gentile and then the sinner

 

[ArmyMatt]

It seems to me that the saints will not be judged.

they will be. Scripture says all will be judged. it's just that some will pass with flying colors.