do you believe once saved always saved?

[Mrs.Amy]

some thing you can be saved and fall away (and then they say if you 'fall' then you was never saved at all)

others say once you give yur life over to Him, that you can never fully get away from Him.

what do you think?

 

[JerryChristian]

some thing you can be saved and fall away (and then they say if you 'fall' then you was never saved at all)

others say once you give yur life over to Him, that you can never fully get away from Him.

what do you think?

The question itself, is implausible. Always means forever. Were you saved before you became saved? Read Hebrews 6


1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3And this will we do, if God permit.
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

If it not possible to fall away, then why would this verse be in the Bible?

Mt. 10:32 & 33 Also give us a clue! "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven."
"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."

Now, even those verses are argued vigorously amongst Christians.

So I would suggest you read the Bible and pray and seek God for the wisdom to search this subject out until you reach a conclusion. All of the varied teachings on this can only serve to confuse you further. Let you and God settle it in your spirit.

I say why take the chance? Once you have accepted Christ's plan of salvation, stay in fellowship with God, and work out your salvation. Stay true to God and He will stay true to you!

 

[Mrs.Amy]

Thanks I agree with your comment on 'let you and God settle it'.
was actually having this debate on another forum and it seems the Christians on there are split 50/50.

but I think you can tell on your own...

 

[Stinker]

Hebrews 6:6 does not teach what many people have been taught.

1. A person did not have to be genuinely converted to God in order for the power of the Holy Spirit to have been passed on to them via 'the laying on of hands.' Example: Simon the Sorcerer in Acts chapter 8.

2. For one to fall away did not mean that one had been genuinely converted to God and then became 'unconverted' . It meant that the person had been trying to appear to be a Christian from the first.

3. ".....impossible to renew them again unto repentance..." Why? Because........."they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to open shame." How so? Because they had never genuinely repented in the first place!


Once a person has been truly born again (come into contact with the supernatural) they are forever in contact,

 

[FoundInGrace]

Yes I believe in Once Saved Always Saved.
Some may argue but personally these verses are why I believe in this:

John 10:27-30 (New International Version)

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."


I'm in God's hand forever because I am His. He saved me and put His Spirit in me as a seal of my inheritance in Him.
Nothing can take me out of His hand, Praise God!!


If we were capable of unsaving ourselves through one failing then we would all be unsaved very soon after we got saved I reckon. What Jesus accomplished on the cross is way more powerful than us falling once can undo. We underestimate the power of God if we think His salvation is so fragile IMO.

 

[ozell]

some thing you can be saved and fall away (and then they say if you 'fall' then you was never saved at all)

others say once you give your life over to Him, that you can never fully get away from Him.

what do you think?

NO!!

Jesus said

Mt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

When are we saved?

Who Saves?

Paul said

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

the first thing is the person need to have known the TRUTH!
and once they have tasted of the truth then it is IMPOSSIBLE

5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6: If they shall fall away,

to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

for them to return only after they have known the truth by tasting the word of God!!!

 

[[serious]]

I've been tending more towards universalism recently. It resolves several theological problems for me and does seem to make the most sense. The "once saved always saved" is the least convincing in my opinion.

 

[SoundCard]

I'm of the Once saved Always Saved theology. For starters, if Christ's salvation doesn't work towards all future sins, the anyone who sinned after His crucifixition would be in trouble pretty much. But, if it can save people even 2000 years on, and continues to do so now, why on Earth would it stop at the next sin committed after coming to Christ?

Hebrews 9:25-28 NIV

25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.


Simply put, the single act of Christ on the Cross, did what the countless lambs and bulls could not do for the people of Israel, and offered salvation to those who did not even have that. So if the one act saves a person, and they die to themselves and to the world, seeing as we now have died with Christ on that cross:

Galatians 6:14 NIV
14May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which[a] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

Romans 6:8-10 NIV
8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Our sins are atoned for and we have died to our flesh and now live for God. What then is left to be said? Salvation is security everlasting for the soul, because just as death could not hope to get its hands on Christ again, so all of you who are also in Him, along with myself even, it too no longer has a hold on us, even though our bodies are destined to perish. This flesh's time is cut short and doomed to destruction, that much is inevitable. But that is the promise of Salvation itself. Just as Christ had faith in the Father to raise Him up in 3 days, so we too can have faith in Christ to deliver His promise of life at the Resurrection.

 

[ozell]

Ezek 3v17: Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

18: When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

19: Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

20: Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

21: Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

so much for being saved now and being always saved.

 

[ozell]

Ezek 18

23: Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

24: But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

25: Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?

26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

27: Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

28: Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

29: Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

once saved always saved is not equal, you Sons and Daughters of MAN!

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3And this will we do, if God permit.
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

If it not possible to fall away, then why would this verse be in the Bible?

I believe this passage in the bible has many miss conceptions about it, yes, it is speaking of salvation but not necessarily the loss of it, really I believe it speaks of works we have done after receiving salvation.

First of all let us go on and read the rest of the passage:

"For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God."

If you read this verse carefully you can see that it is speaking of works after we are saved.

"but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to burned."

I don't think we can ever truly lose our salvation, if in fact we were truly saved to begin with, which this passage is speaking of. I believe though that the passage is speaking of our works that will be judged with fire as in 1 Corinthians 3:

13 "each ones works will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."

Now if you go on in Hebrews to the next verses after the ones I posted above you will see the explanation of the warning:

9 "But beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner.
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister."

In my opinion this verse is concerning those who have become sluggish in regards to works for the Kingdom of God, it is not saying we can lose our salvation but it is saying we can lose our rewards if we continue in such a manner, our works will be burned with the holy fire of God, if they are not approved then they will be burned but although near a curse the person still will be saved, yet as so by fire.

to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

This also shows that if we fall away it ruins our testimony for the Lord, for if we backslide we are putting Jesus Christ through an open shame, an example of this is pastors who have been caught with prostitutes, ect.

I do not think such people can lose their salvation but their works will be burned, and they will not be able again to repent in the manner where they then again can earn crowns and rewards through works, their repentance is ruined and they have shamed the One who has saved them and sanctified them.

 

[toolite]

some thing you can be saved and fall away (and then they say if you 'fall' then you was never saved at all)

others say once you give yur life over to Him, that you can never fully get away from Him.

what do you think?

I believe once you are saved you always saved. Over time the real you - who you really are just comes out and that's where the maturity in the Lord comes in. Being able to accept who we really are and not lying to ourselves because we love to do that and make excuses like- we backslid- (lol) no you do that or that's what you will do. Once we know the truth and accept and learn from it we will be alright. Stay Blessed!

All The Glory Belongs To God!

 

[The LORD's Minstrel]

YES.Once you receive Jesus you are saved and sealed.YOU CANNOT loose your salvation.

If anyone thinks they can loose there salvation,then they are still living under Law and Works. You cant make God do anything,try and make God unsave you,and you will fail miserably. Again I will always repeat the good stuff.Jesus said "It is finished",Jesus did NOT say 'Ok,everyone,im gonna do my part and You all can do the rest."

If we could loose salvation,then there would be no purpose for Jesus in the first place,
How is it possible that one thinks that God said in old "Follow me or die",that they also think jesus said "Follow me or die." Then Jesus would be the same as the Law of old,then what is His purpose if we can loose our Salvation?

Does someone think Jesus died on the cross so we can live a better life on earth?Does someone think Jesus died on the cross so we can have one more try at getting it right?
There is NO WAY we can do ourself into heaven,then we wouldnt be there by faith,we would be there by our earning of works.Which would mean a person can demand from God when they accopmplish their task and demand a reward as well.That would be llike me living 20 years perfectly nice and perfectly good,then demanding the US goverment give me a reward for following there laws,sounds pretty dumb HUH?

Anyone who thinks you can loose your salvation,truly does not know all that Jesus did and fullfilled and completed.Jesus did what we people cant DO,Jesus did what we people will never be ABLE to do.There is no way humanly possible for anyone to think they can earn their salvation.Since we cant do good in everything,then what?

If someone thinks you can loose your salvation,then that person is taking salvation as a CONDITIONED GIFT. God is not a conditional God,He loves without conditions.

How is it one comes to Jesus in Faith,and now they end up trying to complete it by works.

 

[JerryChristian]

Hebrews 6:6 does not teach what many people have been taught.

1. A person did not have to be genuinely converted to God in order for the power of the Holy Spirit to have been passed on to them via 'the laying on of hands.' Example: Simon the Sorcerer in Acts chapter 8.

Sorry, but you need to re-read that. Simon was not filled with the Holy Spirit. It was another spirit that was unholy.

2. For one to fall away did not mean that one had been genuinely converted to God and then became 'unconverted' . It meant that the person had been trying to appear to be a Christian from the first.

Sorry, we once again do not have the same interpretation. When you read the preceding verses you see whom is being addressed.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, ****If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. ***

That does not describe someone who has never experienced conversion. It talks about a renewal to repentance also. That does not fit the description you suggest.
3. ".....impossible to renew them again unto repentance..." Why? Because........."they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to open shame." How so? Because they had never genuinely repented in the first place!


Once a person has been truly born again (come into contact with the supernatural) they are forever in contact,

You cannot prove that using this passage of Scripture!

Having said all of that, I will say this. It is far more difficult to lose ones salvation than most would believe. So, I'm on your side, but not 100% there yet. You need far more Biblical evidence than what you offered here.

 

[JerryChristian]

YES.Once you receive Jesus you are saved and sealed.YOU CANNOT loose your salvation.

If anyone thinks they can loose there salvation,then they are still living under Law and Works. You cant make God do anything,try and make God unsave you,and you will fail miserably. Again I will always repeat the good stuff.Jesus said "It is finished",Jesus did NOT say 'Ok,everyone,im gonna do my part and You all can do the rest."

If we could loose salvation,then there would be no purpose for Jesus in the first place,
How is it possible that one thinks that God said in old "Follow me or die",that they also think jesus said "Follow me or die." Then Jesus would be the same as the Law of old,then what is His purpose if we can loose our Salvation?

Does someone think Jesus died on the cross so we can live a better life on earth?Does someone think Jesus died on the cross so we can have one more try at getting it right?
There is NO WAY we can do ourself into heaven,then we wouldnt be there by faith,we would be there by our earning of works.Which would mean a person can demand from God when they accopmplish their task and demand a reward as well.That would be llike me living 20 years perfectly nice and perfectly good,then demanding the US goverment give me a reward for following there laws,sounds pretty dumb HUH?

Anyone who thinks you can loose your salvation,truly does not know all that Jesus did and fullfilled and completed.Jesus did what we people cant DO,Jesus did what we people will never be ABLE to do.There is no way humanly possible for anyone to think they can earn their salvation.Since we cant do good in everything,then what?

If someone thinks you can loose your salvation,then that person is taking salvation as a CONDITIONED GIFT. God is not a conditional God,He loves without conditions.

How is it one comes to Jesus in Faith,and now they end up trying to complete it by works.

Your argument appears to be contrasting the difference between faith and works. But, this post is not about that. Can a person who once accepts Christ as savior then turn and deny Christ? Do you take away their free will? If you became saved, and years later decided to deny Christ and to no longer accept God's grace, will you still be saved?

 

[JerryChristian]

I believe this passage in the bible has many miss conceptions about it, yes, it is speaking of salvation but not necessarily the loss of it, really I believe it speaks of works we have done after receiving salvation.

First of all let us go on and read the rest of the passage:

"For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God."

If you read this verse carefully you can see that it is speaking of works after we are saved.

"but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to burned."

Doesn't this verse speak of rejection and burning?

I don't think we can ever truly lose our salvation, if in fact we were truly saved to begin with, which this passage is speaking of. I believe though that the passage is speaking of our works that will be judged with fire as in 1 Corinthians 3:

Then how is one to determine if they are truly saved? How do you know? And are you saying that if a person decided to reject the plan of salvation after accepting it, God will override his freewill and tell them, sorry, but you cannot do that. You're saved whether you wish to be or not!

13 "each ones works will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."

Now if you go on in Hebrews to the next verses after the ones I posted above you will see the explanation of the warning:

9 "But beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner.
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister."

In my opinion this verse is concerning those who have become sluggish in regards to works for the Kingdom of God, it is not saying we can lose our salvation but it is saying we can lose our rewards if we continue in such a manner, our works will be burned with the holy fire of God, if they are not approved then they will be burned but although near a curse the person still will be saved, yet as so by fire.



This also shows that if we fall away it ruins our testimony for the Lord, for if we backslide we are putting Jesus Christ through an open shame, an example of this is pastors who have been caught with prostitutes, ect.

I do not think such people can lose their salvation but their works will be burned, and they will not be able again to repent in the manner where they then again can earn crowns and rewards through works, their repentance is ruined and they have shamed the One who has saved them and sanctified them.

So, you are saying that their sins are held against them. Doesn't that pose a problem? So once saved, your sins are not washed away once and for all time, is that your conclusion? So, there is no repentance after salvation, is that correct?

I think you need to re-think what you have said!

 

[shout4Lord]

Sister,
this question is very important in whole christian world. here we have to think deeper and deeper
whole chrstians are running to get misunderstanding on this verses..
in my understanding i got very little understanding, so i am writing.. please check this
one save is always saved?
Yes this is saved.. getting salvation is dieing in this world
dieing in this world and getting rebirth in Jesus..
if a person is died in this world, he never went to see the world again..
people are thinking in other way and lossing in spiritual way..
a christian can do mistake, or wrong thing.. these are seperate.. sin is seperate. mistake is not sin, doing some wrong things is not sin,
1 John 3 : 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
i real God child never do the sin,
we can live in the sinful body, but sin never govern us to do the sin, only for this reason, Jesus died in his body for our body iniquities, we are also accepting this in baptizm, (baptism is the experiencing to death along with christ).
so real christian can do the mistake or wrong thing, but he never do the sin.. here we have to think carefully..
when we are going into hand of God, no body can't loss the salvation..
John 10 : 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
here Jesus is promised and given great promise to christian..
so we never loss our salavation.
in these days many people are doing and lossing their spiritual life, after their life in church for some time., i can say perfectly.
they are not really saved, they are not died in flesh, they are not with rebirth in christ, only they are acted for some time and they gone back..
John 6 : 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him
so we have to believe if a man is born in christ, he never do sin, he never went back..
here i can show other verse
1 John 3: 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
so don't believe if a man is made sin (as a christian), he is only christian in this world, but he is not christian according to the word..
A real christian who is called by God, who is allowed by god to get the salvation , once he get, he is saved. He never committ for sin.

 

[heisunityofspirit]

some thing you can be saved and fall away (and then they say if you 'fall' then you was never saved at all)

others say once you give yur life over to Him, that you can never fully get away from Him.

what do you think?

God does not take back you being saved; however we leave God behind but surprisingly enough He is always there. We get blinded by society and things in this world and lust for another human being is the stronger of all.

 

[JustAsIam77]

Thanks I agree with your comment on 'let you and God settle it'.
was actually having this debate on another forum and it seems the Christians on there are split 50/50.

but I think you can tell on your own...

I agree.

Those regenerated by the Holy Spirit know. Without a shadow of a doubt. I say this not as boasting but in all humbleness and humility. JMO.

 

[Bridgit]

Yes, once saved, always saved!

Many verses were already given in the previous posts.

God promised eternal life to those who believe in the life, death and resurrection of Christ. To me "eternal" means that it will never end. That's his promise and I choose to believe it.

Let the Holy Spirit reveal this to you.

His love is so beyond our understanding that we cannot comprehend it and some choose not to believe it.

Live by faith!