Do you believe in trinity?

[wordz]

I am studying both Hinduism and Christianity (i was an ignorant christian, moved away and now studying it again).

I want to know more about Trinity concept in Hinduism as well as Christianity.

 

[arunma]

I wasn't aware that Hinduism had any Trinity. Their trimurti (which is probably named after the English word Trinity) isn't the same thing, since they believe that all gods are either manifestations of Brahman, or autonomous deities.

 

[Globalnomad]

arunma, can you give a shot at as good a description of the Trinity as you gave of the Word of God, or shall I try?

 

[rahul_sharma]

I wasn't aware that Hinduism had any Trinity. Their trimurti (which is probably named after the English word Trinity) isn't the same thing, since they believe that all gods are either manifestations of Brahman, or autonomous deities.

OK. You are not aware of many things. Let Hindus reply Hindu concepts. OK?

TRI in Sanskrit means Three. Hindu scriptures are more than two times older than the age of Christianity. So, most probably Christianity and Trinity adopted Tri (maybe whole concept of Trinity) from Hinduism and not vice versa.
Sanskrit Dictionary: http://www.vedabase.net/t/tri

 

[arunma]

arunma, can you give a shot at as good a description of the Trinity as you gave of the Word of God, or shall I try?

I would very much welcome your description of the Trinity. But I can also give it my best shot.

I think the best understanding of the Trinity comes from Bishop Saint Athanasius of Alexandria, and his Athanasian Creed. We cannot fully understand the Trinity, but we can say what it is, and what it isn't. As he says, "And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity."

The Trinity is three Persons, not one Person who fulfills three distinct roles. But in three Persons we have but one God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all without beginning and end, but the Father begat the Son in eternity. Furthermore, it is important to note that all three Persons of the Trinity are of the same substance, but they are still distinct. About Jesus the Scripture says:

I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, "You are my Son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." (Psalms 2:7-9)
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I think one of the best examples of all three Persons of the Trinity at work is creation, in which it says:

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:1-3)
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Here we see the Father, the Voice of God (who is Jesus), and the Spirit. Another revelation of the Trinity is at the baptism of Christ:

And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased." (St. Matthew 3:16-17)
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Here, all three Persons of the Trinity are again at work. We can thus see that they fulfill distinct roles, but are one in substance, will, and purpose.

Of course, the Trinity is a rather deep subject of Christianity, and I would not presume to write an entire treatise in a single post.

 

[rahul_sharma]

The Hindu trinity is of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. They are respectively the creative, protective and destructive force of Brahman. They are also aligned as the transcendent Godhead, Shiva, the cosmic lord, Vishnu and the cosmic mind, Brahma. In this regard they are called Sat-Tat-Aum, the Being, the Thatness or immanence and the Word or holy spirit. The trinity represents the Divine in its threefold nature and function. Each aspect of the trinity contains and includes the others.

 

[wordz]

Thanks for posting, please continue.
I am still confused about trinity but I actually believe Hindu trinity is more logical than Christian concept.

One of the many confusions in Christian concept are some contradictory verses where Jesus says God is greater than him. Any thoughts on that?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

My concept arrives out of our Divine Book of Revelation.

[SIZE=+1]I believe this is the history of Christ's "birth" to His ascension:
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Micah 5:2 " But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Though] you are little among the thousands of Judah, [Yet] out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth [are] from of old, From everlasting."

Revelation 12:1 Now a great Sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.5 She bore a Strong male Child who was to SHEPHERD all Nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.
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This shows Him after His ascension and proves He is indeed the Son of God:
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Reve 1:17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, "Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 "I [am] He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death............reve 2:18 " And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ' These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:

This shows those who follow the Word of the Lamb wherever He goes:

Reve 14:3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred [and] forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from [among] men, [being] firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

 

[rahul_sharma]

Thanks for posting, please continue.
I am still confused about trinity but I actually believe Hindu trinity is more logical than Christian concept.

Christian Trinity looks illogical because it is poorly adopted from Hindu concept of Trinity just like ..........Illogical Christian concept of Word of God from Hindu concept of Word of God, ................Christ life events from similar events in the Life history of Chrishna,............. Illogical Original sin from Hindu concept of Maya ,.............. Illogical 5000 years theory from Hindu concept of Kali Yuga which started 5000 years ago .......etc.


I don't remember his name now ( i will try to google)..Long back a Christian preist in Southern India said," If any one wants to understand Scriptures of his religion correctly, He will have to read and understand Hindu scriptures first.

 

[AudioArtist]

It is illogical because it is poorly adopted from hindu concept of Trinity just like Illogical Christian concept of Word of God from Hindu concept of Word of God, Christ life events from similar events in the Life history of Chrishna, Illogical Original sin from Logical concept of Maya , Illogical 5000 years theory from Logical concept of Kali Yuga etc.

How are those concepts more logical in Hinduism? I don't really understand your concept of the trinity; the description just seemed very vague. In fact, whenever I talk to Hindus, are always get different answers on all these concepts, all quite vague.

Thanks.

 

[arunma]

How are those concepts more logical in Hinduism? I don't really understand your concept of the trinity; the description just seemed very vague. In fact, whenever I talk to Hindus, are always get different answers on all these concepts, all quite vague.

Thanks.

Agreed. I think that Hinduism is only portrayed as "more logical" because it is veiled in vague language and Sanskrit words (not that being logical is a good thing when it comes to understanding the Trinity). And I'm sure Hindus would love to believe that Christians would have enough interest in Hinduism to "steal" their theology.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[rahul_sharma]

How are those concepts more logical in Hinduism? I don't really understand your concept of the trinity; the description just seemed very vague. In fact, whenever I talk to Hindus, are always get different answers on all these concepts, all quite vague.
Thanks.

Read about them , give time...the way i read about Christian concepts. I can't teach deep philosphy on forums.

Well, i don't think any religion can have more contradictions than Christianity with 2000++ and still growing denominations. eg., Every other Christian defines Original Sin in his own way....Even on Basics like reincarnation there are diametrically opposite views of so called ONE STRICT PATH OF CHRISTIANITY.

 

[AudioArtist]

Agreed. I think that Hinduism is only portrayed as "more logical" because it is veiled in vague language and Sanskrit words (not that being logical is a good thing when it comes to understanding the Trinity). And I'm sure Hindus would love to believe that Christians would have enough interest in Hinduism to "steal" their theology.

You're right. It's a lot easier to attack things that are specific than things that are vague or "hyper-spiritual", if you like. While I do respect aspects of, say, Hindu or Buddhist thought, I do find it irritating that whenever you point out a flaw in such philosophies, you always "don't understand." And it's always a different, similarly vague, abstract explination! It's like how it's far easier to criticize philosophers like Immanuel Kant or J.S Mill or Plato, then the likes of Frederick Nietzsche; not because Nietzsche is superior, but because of the nature of his non-specific, almost anti-philosophy philosophy.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Agreed. I think that Hinduism is only portrayed as "more logical" because it is veiled in vague language and Sanskrit words (not that being logical is a good thing when it comes to understanding the Trinity). And I'm sure Hindus would love to believe that Christians would have enough interest in Hinduism to "steal" their theology.

Oh, I thought you were talking about about the Koran. Sorry.

 

[Abdurrahim]

I am studying both Hinduism and Christianity (i was an ignorant christian, moved away and now studying it again).

I want to know more about Trinity concept in Hinduism as well as Christianity.

Thanks for showing everyone one more time ,that trinity is a pagan concept mixed in the teaching of One and only G-d who has no partners.

In the name of Allah most gracious most merciful


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O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.


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They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.


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They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

 

[AudioArtist]

Thanks for showing everyone one more time ,that trinity is a pagan concept mixed in the teaching of One and only G-d who has no partners

Can pagan religions not have elements of truth? Pagan religions, for example, share with your religion the whole notion of a supreme being (even if some have other gods too), of a spiritual reality beyond the physical, and also certain moral concepts. Just because a religion shares aspects of paganism, doesn't mean it is false. All religions, pagan or not pagan, share certain facets.

 

[Abdurrahim]

Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Thats what the Quran says

One more verse for your information

 

[Abdurrahim]

Can pagan religions not have elements of truth? Pagan religions, for example, share with your religion the whole notion of a supreme being (even if some have other gods too), of a spiritual reality beyond the physical, and also certain moral concepts. Just because a religion shares aspects of paganism, doesn't mean it is false. All religions, pagan or not pagan, share certain facets.

We believe most religions have divine origins.

But concept of trinity is a mistake Paul has borrowed from a corrupted of pagan religion to the teaching of One and only G-d.

Abrahamic religions do not have concept of trinity normally.

Did you know a verse is fabricated to prove it ?

Did you know because of a pagan King Constantin has influenced the Councel of Nicea , most christians believe tirinty today?

 

[wordz]

Please Muslims, This thread is for Hindu and Christian concept of Trinity and not for your copy paste posts or Islamic discussion.