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Do You Believe In Scientism?

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by AV1611VET, May 6, 2021.

Do you believe in scientism?

  1. Yes

    5.3%
  2. Mostly

    5.3%
  3. Somewhat

    31.6%
  4. No

    57.9%
  1. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    Human? I'm a clone of a person, and I come from the planet Fleebos IX. Since I'm a clone of a person, I suppose that means I'm technically human...
     
  2. VirOptimus

    VirOptimus A nihilist who cares.

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    I understand your meaning, but my point is that subjective/objective is impossible. We can only experience things through ourself as an agent, in your words subjective. Objective is for me a religious term.

    Facts are facts, they are neither subjective or objective.

    And its a fact that Star Wars is objectively better than Star Trek. May the force make you live long and prosper.
     
  3. SelfSim

    SelfSim A non "-ist"

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    Sorry that does not compute! .. Warning Will Robinson! ..
    There's no Fleebos IX in the official register of planets!

    (Now there's that problem sorted .. :p :) .. "Next!?" ..)
     
  4. SelfSim

    SelfSim A non "-ist"

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    Huh? What does that even mean?
    I must be a (very) thin client/agent! :)
    No way .. Blasphemy! :eek:
     
  5. durangodawood

    durangodawood Dis Member

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    How rude!
     
  6. VirOptimus

    VirOptimus A nihilist who cares.

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    Facts are facts!
     
  7. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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  8. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    If the fact is as true for me as it is for you, then it is objective. You are technically correct in that it depends on there being an external reality that exists independently from us, but I think that's a safe enough assumption to make.

    But when I think that we can justifiably say that there are something things we can take as objective fact. The value of pi, for instance. It's going to be the same for anyone who measures it.

    ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^
     
  9. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    Of course, not if you go by that silly HUMAN list!
     
  10. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    That is exactly what would happen.
     
  11. Hans Blaster

    Hans Blaster On campaign in Georgia

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    When the Enterprise fires torpedoes at the Death Star near the end, they should have cut briefly Luke's shot entering the Death Star ventilation shaft.

    Otherwise, very nicely done.
     
  12. SelfSim

    SelfSim A non "-ist"

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    There's no need for that assumption there. (Letting it slip in, opens the door for lots of others, unfortunately ..)
    It takes an in-common human mind type to think in objective ways then .. (Not sure about Fleebos IX-ians though ..)
     
  13. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    If we can't even agree that reality exists, there is no basis for any discussion whatsoever.

    Are you suggesting that if we were to think in a different way that Pi would have a different value?
     
  14. sjastro

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    How the heck do Heisenberg compensators work?
    Perhaps it requires a belief in the power of the Force. ;)
     
  15. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    I believe they use the principle of the Plot Device to carry out their function.
     
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  16. Ponderous Curmudgeon

    Ponderous Curmudgeon Well-Known Member

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    That's for you mathematicians to work out.
     
  17. SelfSim

    SelfSim A non "-ist"

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    But we can agree on the way we decide upon what 'exists' means there .. thus we can agree.
    (I suspect we are in agreement, too .. as long as dictionary definitions aren't considered as being true definitions, that is).

    Different (human) minds think in different ways on the same observation.
    Desriptions of a rock, (for eg), being observed by different humans, can demonstrate the evidence supporting that conclusion. Discarding any of those descriptions, leads towards a more biased conclusion.
    What a 'rock is' therefore, (rock=exists), depends upon agreement of like thinking human minds.

    A Fleebos-ian mind however, might give us further insights on 'exists' from their observing minds' viewpoint (which would be neat). Ever seen this movie?
     
  18. sjastro

    sjastro Newbie

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    You speak a foreign language to me, much like trying to explain science to creationists in this forum.
     
  19. SelfSim

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    I suspect she's really a human hiding out behind the: 'I'm from the planet Fleebos' line ..
    We'll eventually uncover the real truth though .. :)
     
  20. SelfSim

    SelfSim A non "-ist"

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    Purely for completeness sake, and so I can openly dodge the obvious 'shifting the goalposts' exposure, (due to my using the simplified 'rock' example), I offer this load of total gobbledygook as an example of someone who appears to be seriously attempting to argue that the value of pi is 4, thus demonstrating the different way his mind works in coming up with an alternate value of pi.

    Be warned! Miles Mathis is a reknowned web crackpot .. but his 'proofs' are not simply identified as frauds from casual perusal. This post might be better off being a separate thread in the Non-Mainstream forum, actually.

     
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