Certianly. I'm not attempting to give a discussion here about this point. I was asked to show NT Scripture proving new law. It is necessary to point out some specifics of the verses.
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Certianly. I'm not attempting to give a discussion here about this point. I was asked to show NT Scripture proving new law. It is necessary to point out some specifics of the verses.We can discuss that on this thread if ya like
http://www.christianforums.com/t7326950-11/#post50011260
New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 Hebrew 8
Hebrews 8:6 and now he hath obtained a more excellent service, how much also of a better covenant is he mediator, which on better promises hath been sanctioned,
7 for if that first were faultless, a place would not have been sought for a second.
8 For finding fault, He saith to them, `Lo, days come, saith the Lord, and I will complete with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, a new covenant,
New Covenant means new agreement, not new law. When oh when will you understand thatYou can't? What does new mean?
Are you serious? Messiah says NOTHING new here, both of these commands have been issued way before Messiah (or John) re-issued them here. So your point here is mute.We also have John 15:10 and I John 3:23. Both show new law and laws (commandments).
What words does Messiah use in Matthew 5:17-20, repeated in Luke 16:17 and partly accomplished in Revelation 21:1? So the burden is on you to prove whether or not heaven and earth have already passed away---akaRevelation 21 has already come to pass. If not, then all your arguments fall straight to the ground.Both use the word commandment(s).
AGAIN maybe for the last time---keeping/following the Law of God is INSTRUCTION INSTRUCTION INSTRUCTION! YES you must be born again in the Spirit. Yes you must repent youre your own ways, yes you must believe and trust in Messiah, but it doesnt STOP there. Now you must walk in newness of life. Now you must follow Gods ways. Now you must DO Gods WILL! Why is this so hard for you to grasp? If you repent, but dont turn away and STOP doing your own ways and follow HIS, you havent done ANYTHING!Jesus tells Nicodemus that one must be born again, not follow the law.
Again. SAME THING.Jesus says He is the door and anyone who tries something else is a theif - John 10. Jesus says the only way to access the Father is through Him - John 14. Jesus doesn't give any other options.
OR perhaps you should use common sense and the original language to find out if it really means NEW as in FIRST TIME ITS BEING COMMANDED!Do you read the forum or just post nonsense about a post you quote? Is Hebrews 8:6 in your Bible? It is in everything I have or can find. If it isn't according to what was established, how can it not be new? The statement is found in both Jeremiah and Hebrews in all my Bibles and those I can find.
If there is no new law then Jesus must be lying in Mat 5:23 and John 13:34. John must be lying in I John 3:23.
salvation salvation salvation. Justification justification justification.Sure do understand what God's law is perfect means. I also understand that one can't possess eternal life by submission to that law as in the OC law. See Jer 31:31-34 and Heb 8:8-11.
I sure do understand what God's law is spiritual means. Do you? Does it mean the law is applied and required persormance of the fleshly body as a condition of salvation? NO! The flesh is never redeemend, the soul is though.
No such thing as a OC law and a NC law. Its made up. Make believe.Yes I do understand what God's law is truth means both the OC law and the NC law which aren't the same. Again I refer everyone to Jer 31 and Heb 8.
Because HE ONLY HAS ONE LAW. Its perfect, therefore NOT replaceable!Yes I understand what God's law is His word is. Do you understand that Jesus (God) changed this law. Why do you demand that My law is exclusively the covenant made with the COI at Sinai?
I give you Hebrews 8 to disprove and refute your position of a new law and not an improved law.
Yes there are some good discussions about the points. You seem to know about every thread.I also would point him to this thread
http://www.christianforums.com/t7578720-57/#post58058160
The law is for dead people. lol...
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Not lived by or list of rules to maintain our faith.
Yes salvation isn't static. That is why we are led by the Holy Spirit (a dynamic living force) and not the law a (static dead force). I point you to Romans 8, 12 and Gal 5.
Ya know you're right. It isn't better laws but better promises. The laws of the OC are actually effective promises if one reads Deuteronomy 28-30.But NOT on better laws. Theres no getting around that
Seems I read that somewhere.....ahhh here it isThe Holy Spirit guides us ACCORDING TO ALL OF GOD'S WORD.
Not just part of it.
Ya know you're right. It isn't better laws but better promises. The laws of the OC are actually effective promises if one reads Deuteronomy 28-30.
You're more fun than a barrel of monkeys.New Covenant means new agreement, not new law. When oh when will you understand that
Are you serious? Messiah says NOTHING new here, both of these commands have been issued way before Messiah (or John) re-issued them here. So your point here is mute.
What words does Messiah use in Matthew 5:17-20, repeated in Luke 16:17 and partly accomplished in Revelation 21:1? So the burden is on you to prove whether or not heaven and earth have already passed away---akaRevelation 21 has already come to pass. If not, then all your arguments fall straight to the ground.
AGAIN maybe for the last time---keeping/following the Law of God is INSTRUCTION INSTRUCTION INSTRUCTION! YES you must be born again in the Spirit. Yes you must repent youre your own ways, yes you must believe and trust in Messiah, but it doesnt STOP there. Now you must walk in newness of life. Now you must follow Gods ways. Now you must DO Gods WILL! Why is this so hard for you to grasp? If you repent, but dont turn away and STOP doing your own ways and follow HIS, you havent done ANYTHING!
Again. SAME THING.
Yes come in at the one and only door, but does it stop there? Can you as a lamb come into the flock and still do your own sheep thing? NO.
You MUST listen to the voice and commands (ALL OF THEM) of the One and Only Shepherd!
Thats exactly what John 3:36 tells us. Its not simply about becoming part of the flock, but obeying the voice of the shepherd! LIVING ACCORDING TO HIS WORDS! (Matthew 4:4)
OR perhaps you should use common sense and the original language to find out if it really means NEW as in FIRST TIME ITS BEING COMMANDED!
salvation salvation salvation. Justification justification justification.
Ive yet to find ANYONE who can show me where Gods Law and His commandments are NOT apt for teaching, instruction, reproof, correction and TRAINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS (2 Timothy 3:16-17) equipping me, just like it equipped David, Paul, Moses, Daniel, everyone who followed Gods ways in doing good works!
No such thing as a OC law and a NC law. Its made up. Make believe.
Because HE ONLY HAS ONE LAW. Its perfect, therefore NOT replaceable!
Ok how about you show me using Scripture (or even without using Scripture) what this NEW LAW is and which commandments it contains
Go ahead. Im very curious to see this new law containing new commandments.
Oh brother.
Better promises doesn't change the Laws.
To assume that I will no longer say "don't bite your nails" but rather "don't scratch your eyes" ---simply because the reward/promise of obedience went from a lollipop to a BIKE ---is a COMPLETE grasping at straws.
Why then won't you accept it? I provide the following -The Holy Spirit guides us ACCORDING TO ALL OF GOD'S WORD.
Not just part of it.
Very good verse about taking away from the Book!!Seems I read that somewhere.....ahhh here it is
Reve 19:18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
Kindgdom Bible Studies Lambs Book of Life Part 1
*SNIP*
........ Now, what is meant by this term THE BOOK OF THE LIFE OF THE LAMB? The wise man said, "...of the making of many books there is no end..." (Eccl. 12:12).
Are better promises the same promises or even laws? Hardly! And anyone can easily see this.Oh brother.
Better promises doesn't change the Laws.
I told my daughter "if you stop biting your nails, daddy will get you a lollipop"
Now I think I want to up the reward..and say "if you stop biting your nails, daddy will get you a bike"
The better "reward/promises"doesn't change the 'instruction to not bite her nails'.
To assume that I will no longer say "don't bite your nails" but rather "don't scratch your eyes" ---simply because the reward/promise of obedience went from a lollipop to a BIKE ---is a COMPLETE grasping at straws.
Are better promises the same promises or even laws? Hardly! And anyone can easily see this.
Biting your nails isn't scratching your eyes if I understand English at all.
Who said anything about annihilation of anything. The grace people have not thrown out or destroyed the OT. They have it in its proper perspective. The OC doesn't have power or authority over the NC. If it did we don't have a NC.
There are plenty of this antinomian position who say the Law is done away with. It was pointed out right after the post of what is quoted here that there is not something new replacing law in the giving of the new covenant, which consists of, with the saving message, the message of the way of salvation without having judgment that would come from being under law. Law is not done away in that. There is no further use for sacrifices of the old covenant, Jesus is the only high priest in the new, the Jews who came to be believing Christians are still Jewish with what it includes biblicallly, even being saved in grace, and gentile believers are to still have morality, shown in the old testament, as it is said with quotations from Christ, with what he further said.
Who said laws? I said better promises. I also said even laws to give you an easy understanding.You don't get it.
I hope others will.
Nowhere does it say better Laws, on the contrary it says MY Law.
Everyone alive at the time of Jeremiah and even after knew what "God's Law" was.
21st century Christianity might've forgotten, but everyone who studies Scripture and understands Scripture as an agreeable unit knows that the Law of God is just that..THE LAW of God. The Torah of God.
The burden is on you to show me where Jer 31 or Heb 8 suggest a "NEW LAW" and show me what commandments are included and not included in said law...
OK so it really is a I'm right and your wrong religious snot slinging contest. How any one can base an argument about truth on what the masses say will never come to the truth. Neither can you establish a lie by the same means. Of course a lie isn't the truth.There are plenty of this antinomian position who say the Law is done away with. It was pointed out right after the post of what is quoted here that there is not something new replacing law in the giving of the new covenant, which consists of, with the saving message, the message of the way of salvation without having judgment that would come from being under law. Law is not done away in that. There is no further use for sacrifices of the old covenant, Jesus is the only high priest in the new, the Jews who came to be believing Christians are still Jewish with what it includes biblicallly, even being saved in grace, and gentile believers are to still have morality, shown in the old testament, as it is said with quotations from Christ, with what he further said.
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