Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[Elder 111]

Sunday worship? Paul speaks about one day being better than another. But yet some still believe Saturday is better than any other day.

Which day did God bless and sanctify? Which day did Jesus say He is Lord of? Maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I keep the ten commandments behind the door. Both tablets
just in case 'cause ya never know when some varmints show up.

Don't forget to put some lamb's blood on the door posts of yer house

NKJV) Exodus 12:23 "For the LORD will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike [you.]


YouTube - The Passover Lamb., Jesus (Yeshua)

 

[Elder 111]

Not at all. I realize what you said; however, I was articulating what Scripture says. Bottom line is that the entire Law -- not just 10 commandments -- are from God. Whether He wrote them, typed them, faxed them, or used sign-language to convey them, He authored them and expected them to be obeyed.

I don't obey the entire law impeccably, no, but then again I'm not on here telling people that they must do so. That would be hypocrisy on my part.

Actually, I cannot take credit for that -- it was abolished long before I ever came along (Eph 2:15, Colossians 2:14). No law, no transgression (Romans 4:15).

Absolutely, no law no transgression no sin. How then can God Judge and condemn sinners? The bible teaches that from Genesis to Revelations. We should all have a free pass. Then this can not be Rev 22:
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
God must be unfair or you have gotten it wrong.

 

[Rajni]

Absolutely, no law no transgression no sin. How then can God Judge and condemn sinners?

Jesus took upon Himself the judgment that was to fall on us. That was the whole purpose of the crucifixion.

Rev 22:
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Jesus also fulfilled the commandments (Matthew 5:17).

By golly, it looks like He actually accomplished a few things while He was down here! Why folks wish to carry on as though He made absolutely no difference is beyond me.

 

[Elder 111]

Why did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Galatians 4:4; Romans 9:5).

How about because He was Lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. How about because He made it, blessed it and sanctified it. John 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
This would have been the perfect time for Him to change it and He did not Far from it. Mat 5:
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Even the Sabbath. Do you teach men to lie? Why then the breaking of the sabbath?
Ez 22: 26Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

 

[Frogster]

I love your first question. Love does rejoice in truth and the truth is that God 10 commandments stands for all. Is Paul a hypocrite? Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man
9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Do you find It hypocritical to keep or to advocate to keep this? Thou shalt have no other gods before me. By the way, that is of the ten commandments.

1. In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.


2. The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.

3. The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.

4. In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).

5. Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.

6. There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.

7. When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.

8. The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.

9. In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).

10. In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).

11. The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).


12. Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11).

 

[Frogster]

How about because He was Lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. How about because He made it, blessed it and sanctified it. John 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
This would have been the perfect time for Him to change it and He did not Far from it. Mat 5:
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Even the Sabbath. Do you teach men to lie? Why then the breaking of the sabbath?
Ez 22: 26Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

were the gentiles given sabby laws?


Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob,his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation;
they do not know his rules. Praise the LORD!

 

[Frogster]

Which day did Gos bless and sanctify? Which day did Jesus say He is Lord of? Maybe that has something to do with it.

why does scripture say we are to be of Abraham, who had no sabby? gee...wouldn't Paul have said to keep sabby? Wouldn't the church council have said to keep sabby in Acts 15? Why we no sabby?

seems like so sabbyless in the NT.

 

[Studious One]

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

No greater burden than these necessary things was to be laid upon the Gentile Believers:

1. Abstain from meats offered to idols
2. Abstain from blood
3. Abstain from things that are strangled
4. Abstain from fornication

If they keep themselves from those four things, they will do well.

It is interesting that the Gentiles were told "it seemed good to the Holy Ghost..."

If the Gentile Believers were supposed to keep the commandments as a rule, why didn't James and Peter include 'and to keep the commandments' as a 5th necessary thing? After all, it is obvious that is what the Jerusalem Council was wanting of the Gentiles before Peter and James set them straight.

 

[Lionroot]

No, read gal 2...

14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

Then baranbas, and the rest of the Jews were led astray, which meant to be led astray, in the same thing as Peter, they were living as Gentiles too.

13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Read Paul also...

4;12Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong n the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].

Frogster-
Your avoiding the issue. Paul was Sabbath observant. Paul did not do away with the Sabbath.

Gal 2:13-14 doesn't address the issue of the Sabbath. Rather it confronts the hypocrisy of Peter.

Gal 4:12 Is not about the Sabbath either. However Paul was a Sabbath keeper perhaps that's part of what he means when he says, "become as I am".

 

[Lionroot]

I say that killing a baby is not of the Spirit of Christ. For Jesus blessed the children and admonished them and told us we were to be like them. I check all to scripture. How can killing a child or even having an affair be the love we are to live in. For we read in Corinthians what love is. This is why love out does the law every time. For it is by faith we walk in Love.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when people ignore the law. They become a law unto themselves.

Man cannot live on bread alone but on every word proceeds out of the mouth of God.

 

[Studious One]

And it pleased the Holy Ghost that no greater burden was laid upon the Gentile Believers than to abstain from meat offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication.

 

[Frogster]

Frogster-
Your avoiding the issue. Paul was Sabbath observant. Paul did not do away with the Sabbath.

Gal 2:13-14 doesn't address the issue of the Sabbath. Rather it confronts the hypocrisy of Peter.

Gal 4:12 Is not about the Sabbath either. However Paul was a Sabbath keeper perhaps that's part of what he means when he says, "become as I am".

Is this actually a contextual rebutttal?

Paul

NLT 4:12 Dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to live as I do in freedom from these things, for I have become like you Gentiles—free from those laws.

Amplified 4:12 Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are a Gentile]. You did me no wrongin the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].

Was Peter living as a gentile?

2:14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

Does the Jewish calendar have Sabbath, the one that Paul thought he wasted his time about, if they go into?

4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain

please SCRIPTURALLY advise.

 

[Lionroot]

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

No greater burden than these necessary things was to be laid upon the Gentile Believers:

1. Abstain from meats offered to idols
2. Abstain from blood
3. Abstain from things that are strangled
4. Abstain from fornication

If they keep themselves from those four things, they will do well.

It is interesting that the Gentiles were told "it seemed good to the Holy Ghost..."

If the Gentile Believers were supposed to keep the commandments as a rule, why didn't James and Peter include 'and to keep the commandments' as a 5th necessary thing? After all, it is obvious that is what the Jerusalem Council was wanting of the Gentiles before Peter and James set them straight.

Curious that you didn't start earlier in the text. In verse 21 he explains that Moses is read every Sabbath. New believers would be exposed to the law every Sabbath, and these things were just a starting point.

 

[Frogster]

Curious that you didn't start earlier in the text. In verse 21 he explains that Moses is read every Sabbath. New believers would be exposed to the law every Sabbath, and these things were just a starting point.

The reason James said that was because, it is supposed that he was trying to work together with those who were interacting with the Jewish Christians, the Gentile Christians. Like one of the most repsected scholars said, JB Lightfooot, it was a regional letter, addressed to just a few churches. (see 15) Yes, because Moses was entrenched for centuries, it took time for the law party to learn, until finally 70 ad, sent a global hint.

Now, also note, Paul later told the Corinthians, to eat all in the meat market. Guess what? It was corinth, all the meat was strangled, had blood, and was idol meat.

 

[Frogster]

Curious that you didn't start earlier in the text. In verse 21 he explains that Moses is read every Sabbath. New believers would be exposed to the law every Sabbath, and these things were just a starting point.

How could Paul use the father of our faith, Abraham, and promote Sabbath?

Paul used Abraham, to ward of the Judiazers, who pushed Sabbath.

How could Paul say we are in Abe, if Abe had sabbath?


3:7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.


Thanks.

 

[Rick Otto]

Curious that you didn't start earlier in the text. In verse 21 he explains that Moses is read every Sabbath. New believers would be exposed to the law every Sabbath, and these things were just a starting point.

Is Moses being read, Moses being followed?

 

[Elder 111]

Jesus took upon Himself the judgment that was to fall on us. That was the whole purpose of the crucifixion.

Jesus also fulfilled the commandments (Matthew 5:17).

By golly, it looks like He actually accomplished a few things while He was down here! Why folks wish to carry on as though He made absolutely no difference is beyond me.

Taking the judgment has nothing to do with removing the law, as a matter of fact it shows that the 10 commandments were and is in force.
Read nest two verses, not 17 only. To fulfill does not mean abolish. Jesus made that point very clear.

 

[Rick Otto]

If you don't take Jesus' Grace Expressway you'll hit every light in Lawtown.

 

[Elder 111]

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

No greater burden than these necessary things was to be laid upon the Gentile Believers:

1. Abstain from meats offered to idols
2. Abstain from blood
3. Abstain from things that are strangled
4. Abstain from fornication

If they keep themselves from those four things, they will do well.

It is interesting that the Gentiles were told "it seemed good to the Holy Ghost..."

If the Gentile Believers were supposed to keep the commandments as a rule, why didn't James and Peter include 'and to keep the commandments' as a 5th necessary thing? After all, it is obvious that is what the Jerusalem Council was wanting of the Gentiles before Peter and James set them straight.

Interesting. 1 maybe supported by the first commandment. Two and three by "Mosaic laws". Three by the Commandments again. Still you maintain that no mention was made of keeping the 10 commandments?
Jesus Himself called us blind.
Food for thought. Would I tell you to do something you are already doing or something need to do? Would I tell you something you already know and understand or something that needs to be made know and to be understood. Something that there is contention with or something that is accepted.

1. Acts 13:14
   But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
   Acts 13:13-15 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter)
2. Acts 13:27
   For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
   Acts 13:26-28 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter)
3. Acts 13:42
   And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
   Acts 13:41-43 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter)
4. Acts 13:44
   And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
   Acts 13:43-45 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter)
5. Acts 15:21
   For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
   Acts 15:20-22 (in Context) Acts 15 (Whole Chapter)
6. Acts 16:13
   And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
   Acts 16:12-14 (in Context) Acts 16 (Whole Chapter)
7. Acts 17:2
   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
   Acts 17:1-3 (in Context) Acts 17 (Whole Chapter)
8. Acts 18:4
   And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
   Acts 18:3-5 (in Context) Acts 18 (Whole Chapter

Rev 22:14-15