Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[ThePresbyteers]

Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

I didn't know anyone can keep the commandments.
Where did that one come from?

 

[ancientsoul]

I didn't know anyone can keep the commandments.
Where did that one come from?

please forgive me if I shouldn't answer this (being you addressed to someone else)

With man all things are impossible. With God all things are possible.

Perhaps, it has to do with He judges on the intent of the heart. Not the outcome. It would follow, then, that if we do our best to keep them that is all He would expect.. If He says keep them, then it must be possible. He doesn't make impossible demands. I'm guessing 'walking in the Spirit' and 'in Christ' have a lot do with it.

Had another thought on this subject of law and grace. When we inevitbly sin, then and then and then, is where grace enters. It's hard for me to picture a God who would give us licentous grace. How can we have true saving grace if we never are guilty. How could we ever be guilty if we didn't sin. What would we be guilty of if their was no law that applied anymore. Just exactly what would we be guilty of without the law?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

sir, the veil was rent - no disrespect, what I do and what I do not do is between me and the Lord - I need 'confess' to no one.....

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G2665 matches the Greek καταπέτασμα (katapetasma), which occurs 6 times in 6 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV


Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1
The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

Matthew 27:51 and behold! the veil/katapetasma<2665> of the Sanctuary is rent into two from upward unto downward, and the land is quaked, and the rocks are rent [Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45]

Mark 15:38 And the veil/katapetasma <2665> of the Sanctuary is rent into two from upward to downward.

 

[Rajni]

What would we be guilty of if their was no law that applied anymore. Just exactly what would we be guilty of without the law?

Amen! Where there is no law, there is no transgression. Thank God for Jesus, who takes away the sin of the world!


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[Elder 111]

I didn't know anyone can keep the commandments.
Where did that one come from?

So god gave us a requirement that we can never keep?
Or as some, wrongfully insist, that He gave the Jews a requirement that no one can ever achieve? God is a unreasonable God then.

 

[Elder 111]

So do we obey the law or the 10 out of our fleshly will?

Can not do so on our own, that is more the reason Paul states that it is Spiritual. So declare to me, why would that which is Spiritual be abolished while we are to be possessed by the Spirit?

 

[Elder 111]

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with the 10 commandments until you believe you have to follow them to attain salvation. That is legalistic. They obviously can't save you because you can't live without breaking them.

For those who don't practice the Sabbath as dictated by Mosaic law in the OT - it doesn't mean they disregard it. I believe the requirements for observing the Sabbath have changed.

It was part of the 10 written with God's own Hand. He refused to let Moses write it, even after Moses broke it. Does that not tell you how important it is to God. The Sabbath is part of that. God certainly did not change it. Why would Jesus not change it Himself if there were to be a change? Why keep it Himself? Don't say because He was a Jew, He is our example first. Being a Jew was not more important to Jesus than doing the will of God.

 

[Elder 111]

Depending on the context within which you speak of them, of course. For example, if you're saying "We should always respect the U.S. President", that would encompass Obama, Bush, and anyone else who filled that position. If you're speaking about Canada in terms of what other countries border it, then you would inevitably be talking about the USA at some point in that discussion.

"The 10" as in "Commandments" are only a part of the Law. Again, to separate them is to pick and choose. To pick and choose is to keep "the whole" law and stumble at (way more than) just one point.

Seriously? Those who view things differently than you do are "dishonest" and not "standing up for right and righteousness"? You honestly believe that Elder?!

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Of course. You may not think so,you maybe in fact sincere but does not mean you are correct. We can not be on opposite side and both be right. Paul saw himself as "right" and Jesus had to put him in the " light".
God made a big difference in the laws. Note for one that He wrote the 10 Himself. The 10 was place in the Mercy seat where He sat, the others were placed to the side. The bible never attempted to make them one, we did.

 

[Elder 111]

Walking in faith with love is soo much better than walking in the 10. For we do not commit adultry because it is written in the 10 but out of love for our neighbor and not only do we not commit adultry we pray for their marriage to be healed so adultry isn't even a temptation. Love covers so much more than the 10.

And includes the ten!

 

[Emmy]

Dear Elder111. Matthew, chapter 22, verses 35-40, tells us that Jesus told a Lawyer: " The first and great Commandment is: " Love thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like unto it: Love thy neighbour as thyself." Then Jesus points out: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." God gave us ten Commandments, and Jesus told us in Two, Love is what God wants of us, selfless and beneficicial: straightforward and easy to remember. Jesus will give us His Love and Joy, and the Holy Spirit will empower us with His Love. Jesus told us: " Ask and ye will receive," that is a promise to us. Everything we say or do, which is without love, God will disapprove of, and everything which shows love, God will approve of and bless us. The Bible tells us again and again: " Repent," change our selfish and unloving character INTO: Loving God with all our beings, and loving our neighbour as ourselves. Love is a Christian`s weapon to overcome all adversity, all temptations and all angry opposition, it might take longer, but it always works. We will stumble and fail often, but we ask God`s forgiveness in serious prayer, and God will forgive us. Jesus taught us to pray: " Father forgive us our trespasses as we will forgive those who trespass against us." We also have much time to become better and better, Love is catching, and people will treat us, as we treat them. Jesus is our Way, Jesus will lead us back to where we came from, and Love will always lead us on. I say this with love, Elder. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[MamaZ]

So god gave us a requirement that we can never keep?
Or as some, wrongfully insist, that He gave the Jews a requirement that no one can ever achieve? God is a unreasonable God then.

IF the law could have been kept then there would not have been the need for Christ. For all men have sinned. This is why we are to walk in faith through Love. For it is Christ in us the very hope of glory. Nothing to do with the 10 or the law. For even they could not save the Jews. Christ had to come and redeem mankind of their sins to all who have Christ and all those who will have Christ.

 

[Aibrean]

It was part of the 10 written with God's own Hand. He refused to let Moses write it, even after Moses broke it. Does that not tell you how important it is to God. The Sabbath is part of that. God certainly did not change it. Why would Jesus not change it Himself if there were to be a change? Why keep it Himself? Don't say because He was a Jew, He is our example first. Being a Jew was not more important to Jesus than doing the will of God.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

It's not so much resting from "work" as doing God's work and relying fully on God.

Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

Yes - the Sabbath laws WERE changed because the requirements of keeping them changed. Otherwise, Jesus (and certainly his disciples) would be breaking the Sabbath. If you rest in God, you are keeping the Sabbath. Otherwise known as LOVING God.

I fully believe this and by my faith I am not condemned. By your standards loving God and trusting him on the Sabbath (and for me - and all other Christians should - all other days) is not enough.

 

[MamaZ]

Can not do so on our own, that is more the reason Paul states that it is Spiritual. So declare to me, why would that which is Spiritual be abolished while we are to be possessed by the Spirit?

So then are you achieving to keep the 10? And if you are striving to do this what is your reward?

 

[MamaZ]

And includes the ten!

It includes Gods love shed abroad in our hearts by the HS. Not by the letter of the law which the 10 are only a part of.. For the law was for the Isrealites which I am a gentile saved by the very Grace of God through Christ who was slain and His Spirit within me as the gaurantee. The law had nothing to do with me coming to know Christ nor does it have anything to do with me now to come to know God.

 

[Rajni]

God made a big difference in the laws. Note for one that He wrote the 10 Himself. The 10 was place in the Mercy seat where He sat, the others were placed to the side. The bible never attempted to make them one, we did.

More than just the 10 came from the Lord, however.

In Exodus 24:3, after going into great detail in the previous passages about all the various and sundry laws besides just the 10, it states: "When Moses went and told the people all the LORD's words and laws, they responded with one voice, 'Everything the LORD has said we will do.'" My point being that not only the Ten Commandments came from God Himself; therefore, law-keepers would need to take all those commands equally seriously if they're going to earn the title of Commandment Keeper of the Year.

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[MamaZ]

You may not murder. But if you are even angry at a person you have committed that which some say we must obey out of the 10. You may not have physically committed adultry but even if you look with lust you have done that which the law says not to do. So the law brings with it a curse. But Christ became that curse for us. For it is not our righteousness that we try to aquire by living the 10. It is Christs righteousness that has been imputed to us. It is God who causes us to walk His way and nothing to do with the law.

 

[ivebeenshown]

What happens if say... I loved to kill people, or I loved to steal from Wal-Mart. I did it out of love!

 

[Rajni]

What happens if say... I loved to kill people, or I loved to steal from Wal-Mart. I did it out of love!

Which kind of love? There are different types, you see.

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[Rajni]

What happens if say... I loved to kill people, or I loved to steal from Wal-Mart. I did it out of love!

Which kind of love? There are different types, you see..

I have another idea... check 1 Corinthians 13 for the Bible-Approved type of love, and you have your answer!

 

[chris4243]

What happens if say... I loved to kill people, or I loved to steal from Wal-Mart. I did it out of love!

You mean "like".