Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[New_Wineskin]

Does that really make sense to you?

It makes sense to both of us .

Then the bible is my god. Should we burn it that it may not be?

It is up to you what you do with your god . Doing what *I* tell you will only make *me* your god in its place .

We are much against the truth that we say ridiculous things and do not even realize.

You , of course , are using the royal "we" and I could not agree with you more from the OP .

No wonder that Rev. 14 refer our condition as Babylon, Confusion.
It also calls for God's people to come out of that confusion.

Yet , you remain . Why ?

 

[New_Wineskin]

This is soooo classic!
The law party presumes, that the grace people love sin, when the grace people are under a faith, that does not have sin as a dominion, and the law people's own words, show they are bogged down by the consciousness of sin, because they are under law, where sin has dominion!



14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Oh , Frogster ,
I think that you give them far too much credit for honesty .

They don't think that others love sin , they merely say it to act like they have no ability to follow logic in order to frustrate those to whom they respond . Their logic is that , since it is called "the Law" , your saying that you do not follow "the Law" means that you are "lawless" . They know that isn't true yet say it anyway . They also know that it is idiotic but that doesn't prevent them from saying/writing it over and over again .

What they want you to say is that you *do* follow laws - just not the Law . Well , what laws do you follow ? What authority makes those laws ? Is that authority greater than GODDDDD !!! ??? Well , *He* made The Law - didn't He . Why not follow that ?

Yes , you know that . They also know that .

 

[Rajni]

It is made clear that we as Christians are under grace and are save by grace by faith.
Does that mean that we do not keep the 10 commandments?
A Jehovah's witness made it a point of telling me that the commandments are abolished. My next question was, can I have sex with you?
Answer, No!
Why Not?
We have to keep the spirit of the law.
What! The law died and the spirit lives?
Is that what we believe?
Does that make sense?
If we acknowledge that we can not lie or steal or commit adultery, do we not acknowledge that the law is still for us?

While the Commandments carry much in the way of good old-fashioned common-sense, one thing to remember is that it wasn't just the 10 that needed obeying under the Old Covenant. The Law contained 613 commandments, and as James 2:10 points out, anyone who would keep the whole law and yet stumble at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

This is soooo classic!
The law party presumes, that the grace people love sin,<snip>.

Lawyers....can't live with 'em, can't live w/o 'em

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3544 matches the Greek &#957;&#959;&#956;&#953;&#954;&#8057;&#962; (nomikos), which occurs 9 times in 9 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Rotherham) Luke 7:30 but the Pharisees and the Lawyers had set aside the counsel of God against themselves, not being immersed by him.

LLOJ LT] Luke 11:52 "Woe to ye the Lawyers, that ye take away the key of the Knowledge, yeselves not enter
and of the ones entering ye hinder/forbid'
[Hosea 4:6]

 

[Frogster]

Oh yes I did! In this post here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7547103-13/#post57086433

That post does not cover it. It says abolished, and I have clearly shown that it was not just ceremonial, we were not dead in ceremonial sins, were we?

Objects of wrath, from ceremonial sins?

Reconciled to God, from ceremonial sins?

2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

God was reconciling the world (same word as 2:16), from ceremonial sins?


2 Cor 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.


Same as..reconcile.


Eph 2:16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

 

[Frogster]

Lawyers....can't live with 'em, can't live w/o 'em

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3544 matches the Greek &#957;&#959;&#956;&#953;&#954;&#8057;&#962; (nomikos), which occurs 9 times in 9 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Rotherham) Luke 7:30 but the Pharisees and the Lawyers had set aside the counsel of God against themselves, not being immersed by him.

LLOJ LT] Luke 11:52 "Woe to ye the Lawyers, that ye take away the key of the Knowledge, yeselves not enter
and of the ones entering ye hinder/forbid'
[Hosea 4:6]

good one lambster!

 

[Frogster]

ALERT, WE WERE ALL DEAD, IN JEWISH CEREMONIAL LAWS, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS WRITTEN TO GENTILES, SOMEHOW, THEY WERE DEAD IN CEREMONIAL SINS, AND ONCE THOSE WERE GONE, YOU WERE THEN RECONCILED TO GOD.


15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace

SO THAT>>>

16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

It had nothing to do with the moral part of the law, even though the law was one, Gal 3:10, Gal 5:3, James 2:10, Josh 1:8.

And when they got the law, they did not say.."ALL that the Lord says we will do" Nope, they said. SOME we will do.

Alrighty then...:o

 

[Frogster]

Oh , Frogster ,
I think that you give them far too much credit for honesty .

They don't think that others love sin , they merely say it to act like they have no ability to follow logic in order to frustrate those to whom they respond . Their logic is that , since it is called "the Law" , your saying that you do not follow "the Law" means that you are "lawless" . They know that isn't true yet say it anyway . They also know that it is idiotic but that doesn't prevent them from saying/writing it over and over again .

What they want you to say is that you *do* follow laws - just not the Law . Well , what laws do you follow ? What authority makes those laws ? Is that authority greater than GODDDDD !!! ??? Well , *He* made The Law - didn't He . Why not follow that ?

Yes , you know that . They also know that .

I hear ya loud and clear...you are a btreath of fresh air.
Funny thing is, the bible says that this teaching is from the flesh.


3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

All because the law party, lost the meaning of the cross, that is what their weakness was, that the judaizers were able to infiltrate, but this little froggy knows better. I will not be bewitched!


3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.


Thanks for your post NW.

 

[Frogster]

Afraid to vote?
The passover was to commemorate deliverance from Egypt. Were you in Egypt? Not me or my fore fathers, so no passover.

Afraid to vote? My oh my, it is just the internet, did not know i had to fear.

Now, It was a command for the passover, why do you not think we have to keep that?

And, you seem to not want to talk about Abe?

Why did Paul use Abe who did not keep sabby, of have Mosaic law, to ward off moses from the church?


3:7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.

Can we be in promise, and law? What does the law work?


Rom 4:4 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. 15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

Gee..no one wants to talk about the father of our faith, but they want to talk Moses. Why?

 

[Frogster]

Afraid to vote?
The passover was to commemorate deliverance from Egypt. Were you in Egypt? Not me or my fore fathers, so no passover.

Are we heirs by law, or promise?

4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise

I would like to discuss Galatians 4, with you.

Clealry used to get Moses' boys, and their bondage, outta the churches. Do you see how we CAN'T be heirs by law, or it voids the promise? One (some) had to go, and it was not the sons of Abe, was it?


4:30 But what does the Scripture say? &#8220;Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.&#8221;

 

[Frogster]

I thought the Passover was part of the feasts of the Lord that are to be observed in remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt? Listed right along with the Sabbath in Leviticus 23.

yea, this all sounds like selective law keeping. It says.."YOU SHALL KEEP MY FEASTS", I guess some commands don't count?

 

[Elder 111]

I thought the Passover was part of the feasts of the Lord that are to be observed in remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt? Listed right along with the Sabbath in Leviticus 23.

The Sabbath is not a feast. The passover is not of the 10 commandments.

 

[bbbbbbb]

That post does not cover it. It says abolished, and I have clearly shown that it was not just ceremonial, we were not dead in ceremonial sins, were we?

Objects of wrath, from ceremonial sins?

Reconciled to God, from ceremonial sins?

2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

God was reconciling the world (same word as 2:16), from ceremonial sins?


2 Cor 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.


Same as..reconcile.


Eph 2:16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

Despite numerous attempts on my part to get our mutual friends to provide the clearly defined list of ceremonial, civil, and moral laws which they avow to be defined in the OT, I have yet to see one.

So, did God somehow forget to divvy up the list of commandments in neat order for us or did he actually provide an undivided Law for His covenant people, Israel?

 

[Hentenza]

Despite numerous attempts on my part to get our mutual friends to provide the clearly defined list of ceremonial, civil, and moral laws which they avow to be defined in the OT, I have yet to see one.

So, did God somehow forget to divvy up the list of commandments in neat order for us or did he actually provide an undivided Law for His covenant people, Israel?

There you go.

The Law: All 613 Commandments!

 

[sheina]

yea, this all sounds like selective law keeping. It says.."YOU SHALL KEEP MY FEASTS", I guess some commands don't count?

It is selective "law keeping"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Sabbath is not a feast. The passover is not of the 10 commandments.

Yeah. I guess someone gotta it backwards

http://www.christianforums.com/t7546156/#post57046782
The keeping of passover

 

[Elder 111]

While the Commandments carry much in the way of good old-fashioned common-sense, one thing to remember is that it wasn't just the 10 that needed obeying under the Old Covenant. The Law contained 613 commandments, and as James 2:10 points out, anyone who would keep the whole law and yet stumble at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

.

Look at James again. He mentions portions of the 10 not 613 that was part of what God did not Give.

 

[Frogster]

The Sabbath is not a feast. The passover is not of the 10 commandments.

But the feasts were commands, why do you just select sabby? Were the Jews ables to omit the feasts? Wht are you just doing some of the law?

Not only that, why does scripture say, it was a waste of time, for the galatians to get under the calendar, that had sabby?

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.


Are you ready to talk Abe with me now?

 

[Frogster]

Despite numerous attempts on my part to get our mutual friends to provide the clearly defined list of ceremonial, civil, and moral laws which they avow to be defined in the OT, I have yet to see one.

So, did God somehow forget to divvy up the list of commandments in neat order for us or did he actually provide an undivided Law for His covenant people, Israel?

I hear ya loud and clear bro. Selective law keeping nowadays.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

<snip<
Are you ready to talk Abe with me now?

I am always ready to talk about my bro Abe

G'night all

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