Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[Lysimachus]

no no no..the law was one, josh 1:8, Gal 5:3, Gal 3:10, James 2:10.

So ceremonial ordinances, were why we were not in God?
It says reconciled ..TO GOD..

We we dead in sins and ceremonial trespasses?


2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

God was in Christ, not counting ceremonial tespasses against them? Note the "reconcile" word again, like in 2:16.


19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.



case closed. Next....?

Don't get confused between the "Old Man" and the "New Man". It is the Old Man that is supposed to die, not the New Man. And the law never dies. It is WE who die, the Old Man. The man of sin.

Case isn't closed mister.

Let us submit, and accept that we have to be obedient.

Or else, Christ will say "I never knew you!"

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work LAWLESSNESS." (Matthew 7:23)

 

[Frogster]

Don't get confused between the "Old Man" and the "New Man". It is the Old Man that is supposed to die, not the New Man. And the law never dies. It is WE who die, the Old Man. The man of sin.

Case isn't closed mister.

Let us submit, and accept that we have to be obedient.

Or else, Christ will say "I never knew you!"

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work LAWLESSNESS." (Matthew 7:23)

Nice comment, but without rebuttal, looks like my post stands.

Thanks, God bless.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Frogster <snip>

case closed. Next....?

I doubt that

Case isn't closed mister.

Ain't over till da Judge says it is

2 Timothy 4:1 Thru-witnessing then I, before the God and the Lord Jesus Christ, of the one-being-about to be judging living and dead, according as the appearance/manifestation of Him and the Kingdom of Him
[Revelation 11:18/19:11]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7461092-9/#post54554117
The Judge sits

YouTube - Shorty Long 1968 - "Here Comes The Judge" MOTOWN-121

 

[Lysimachus]

no no no..the law was one, josh 1:8, Gal 5:3, Gal 3:10, James 2:10.

So ceremonial ordinances, were why we were not in God?
It says reconciled ..TO GOD..

We we dead in sins and ceremonial trespasses?


2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

God was in Christ, not counting ceremonial tespasses against them? Note the "reconcile" word again, like in 2:16.


19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.



case closed. Next....?

What does "reconciling" have anything to do with whether we should continue in sin or not?

Reconciliation only comes for those who repent.

"IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

But you Frog don't accept that breaking the Ten Commandments is sin, so how can you be reconciled for it? You can't, because you don't believe they are binding.

"Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

No one will see the Lord without sanctification.

Also notice:

"When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: GO, AND SIN NO MORE." (John 8:10,11)

Is that clear enough?

We are reconciled for repentant sins, but we are commanded to "go and sin no more".

Reconciliation only comes if we recognize that we sinned, and we ask for forgiveness. But God will turn his ear away from us if we continue to "willfully sin".

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:1-6)

It says:

1. IF we sin, we have an advocate with the father. But this advocate only helps if you confess your sins according to 1 John 1:9

2. We are to "walk as Jesus walked". So it's not that "he did it all so we don't have to do it". NO, He paid it all meaning we don't have to DIE THE SECOND DEATH if we repent! If Christ hadn't of died, no matter how good we were, none of it would mean anything.

3. It says that he who does not keep His commandments is a liar. Revelation 21:8 says liars are going to the Lake of Fire.

Please don't complain how long my post is Frog. I've seen some of your posts longer than this one.

 

[Lysimachus]

Also remember, there is a VAST difference between "willful" disobedience and the sins we commit as a result of our "shortcomings", "stumblings", and "human weakness". Moses, for example, out of human weakness, lost his temper and struck the rock three times after God had told him to strike it once.

But this was not "outward willful transgression". Outward "willful transgression" is when we know something is wrong, and we PURPOSELY go out of our way to do it anyway.

That is what the Antinomian Christian world does all the time. They see the Ten Commandments and they WILFULLY transgress it.

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Don't get confused between the "Old Man" and the "New Man". It is the Old Man that is supposed to die, not the New Man. And the law never dies. It is WE who die, the Old Man. The man of sin.

Case isn't closed mister.

Let us submit, and accept that we have to be obedient.

Or else, Christ will say "I never knew you!"

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work LAWLESSNESS." (Matthew 7:23)

2 Thess 2 mentions that word, and it was already working back in Paul's time

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV
Sorry! The word lawlessness doesn't occur in the KJV.

KJV) Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for YNG
(lawlessness)
occurs 12 times in 10 verses in the YNG
Page 1 / 1 inexact matches (Mat 7:23 - 1Jo 3:4)

Young) Matthew 7:23 and then I will acknowledge to them, that--I never knew you,
depart from me ye who are working lawlessness/anomian <458>.

Young) 2 Thessalonians 2:7 for the secret/mystery of the lawlessness/anomiaV <458> doth already work,
only he who is keeping down now [will hinder] --till he may be out of the way,

 

[Lysimachus]

I know this is off topic LittleLambofJesus, but I really find your avatar pic (church-tank) hilarious.

It's so true!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I know this is off topic LittleLambofJesus, but I really find your avatar pic (church-tank) hilarious.

It's so true!

I actually got the idea from this thread on the TAW board

http://www.christianforums.com/t7381773-6/#post52248967

http://www.christianforums.com/t7381773-4/#post52252585
Russion Orthodox Military Mobile Battlefield Church Transport

 

[Frogster]

What does "reconciling" have anything to do with whether we should continue in sin or not?

Reconciliation only comes for those who repent.

"IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

But you Frog don't accept that breaking the Ten Commandments is sin, so how can you be reconciled for it? You can't, because you don't believe they are binding.

"Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

No one will see the Lord without sanctification.

Also notice:

"When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: GO, AND SIN NO MORE." (John 8:10,11)

Is that clear enough?

We are reconciled for repentant sins, but we are commanded to "go and sin no more".

Reconciliation only comes if we recognize that we sinned, and we ask for forgiveness. But God will turn his ear away from us if we continue to "willfully sin".

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:1-6)

It says:

1. IF we sin, we have an advocate with the father. But this advocate only helps if you confess your sins according to 1 John 1:9

2. We are to "walk as Jesus walked". So it's not that "he did it all so we don't have to do it". NO, He paid it all meaning we don't have to DIE THE SECOND DEATH if we repent! If Christ hadn't of died, no matter how good we were, none of it would mean anything.

3. It says that he who does not keep His commandments is a liar. Revelation 21:8 says liars are going to the Lake of Fire.

Please don't complain how long my post is Frog. I've seen some of your posts longer than this one.

ummmm, are we going to talk about 2;15?
Thanks.

15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

 

[Frogster]

I actually got the idea from this thread on the TAW board

http://www.christianforums.com/t7381773-6/#post52248967

http://www.christianforums.com/t7381773-4/#post52252585
Russion Orthodox Military Mobile Battlefield Church Transport

good one..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

good one..

I put up a photoshop pic of what a Vatican tank would look like

http://www.christianforums.com/t7381773-4/#post52256252

Prototype of the new Vatican tank

Attached Thumbnails

Pic of a church tank posted by a member on my profile board ehehe:

 

[brinny]

Lol

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Pic of a church tank posted by a member on my profile board ehehe:

Lol

Instead of shells and bullets, mine shoots out Bible tracts [tho Jack Chick has asked me if I could possible use his]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7441192/
Whatcha think of Jack Chick's tracts

Funny, crazy, silly, stupid, or truth?

 

[Lysimachus]

ummmm, are we going to talk about 2;15?
Thanks.

15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

Oh yes I did! In this post here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7547103-13/#post57086433

 

[ivebeenshown]

Which Law?

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

The perfect law of liberty...

James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

...which itself is the royal law...

Romans 13
9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

The ten commandments are the very same as what Jesus said, which is commanded of all Christians: Love God, love thy neighbor.

 

[SummaScriptura]

I only obey these three:

Love the Lord your God with...
Love your neighbor as...
Love one another as...

 

[SummaScriptura]

The 10 commandments are demonstrably not for today.

If I were to only avoid "bearing false witness against a neighbor", I could still lie.

If I were to only avoid "murder", I could still hate.

If I were to obey the Sabbath, I would do no work on Saturday. I know of no one who does.

 

[Elder 111]

huh? What does my vote, have to do with this?

Why don't we have to keep the passover?

Please advise.

Afraid to vote?
The passover was to commemorate deliverance from Egypt. Were you in Egypt? Not me or my fore fathers, so no passover.

 

[sheina]

Afraid to vote?
The passover was to commemorate deliverance from Egypt. Were you in Egypt? Not me or my fore fathers, so no passover.

I thought the Passover was part of the feasts of the Lord that are to be observed in remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt? Listed right along with the Sabbath in Leviticus 23.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Afraid to vote?
The passover was to commemorate deliverance from Egypt. Were you in Egypt? Not me or my fore fathers, so no passover.

Never been there myself

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for YNG
(egypt)
occurs 616 times in 561 verses in the YNG
Page 1 / 23 inexact matches (Gen 12:10 - Gen 41:44)

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Strong's Number G125 matches the Greek &#913;&#7988;&#947;&#965;&#960;&#964;&#959;&#962; (Aigyptos), which occurs 24 times in 22 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
Page 1 / 1 (Mat 2:13 - Rev 11:8)

Last time used in Bible:

Revelation 11:8 and the dead-bodies/corpses of them upon the broadplace of the great City, which is being called spiritually Sodom and Egypt/aiguptoV <125>,
where even/also the Lord of them was crucified.